When we just began

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    Foreword: This episode features Fael and Adams, when they were only 1-2 weeks young PaB members at that time. They exchanged their learning of meditation and gave one example of how PaB had quickly brought changes to their mindfulness and real life behaviors.

    Adams Rubble: Since I am new to meditation it is very helpful to hear other people's experiences
    Sky Szimmer: how long have you been meditating?
    Adams Rubble: me? probably about a week
    Fael Illyar: 2 weeks, maybe
    Sky Szimmer: you seem to have a good grasp : )
    Adams Rubble: but when I discovered breath meditation
    Adams Rubble: I realized I have been doing it
    Adams Rubble: for years and years whithout knowing what it was
    Adams Rubble: so it has made me very comfortable, I could go for a long time doing that
    Fael Illyar: I think I've been doing something similar to meditation for years too.
    Fael Illyar: Although, not knowing it was close to meditation and not really able to do it on a whim or at will .
    Sky Szimmer: well, then, you are not so "new"
    Adams mentions a site with spoken material to help with meditation.
    Adams Rubble: Last night I listened to this tape on the dharmatalk.org site
    Adams Rubble: in which the person coached through a long process
    Adams Rubble: focusing first on the nose, chest and stomach
    Adams Rubble: and then started slowly moving around the body
    Adams Rubble: I described it on my log this morning
    Adams Rubble: I think it would take about an hour to do the whole process
    Sky Szimmer: i have found that it is good to learn different methods of meditation
    Sky Szimmer: it becomes tools that we can lean on
    Adams Rubble: yes I want to know about the others
    Fael Illyar: To return the subject to negative (?) feelings again. I've been easily annoyed by small children making a show in shops trying to get their way in the past.
    Fael Illyar: When I was buying groceries about a week ago, there were 3 small children all making noise non stop. Initially I was annoyed with it but eventually it started changing to being amused with myself.
    Sky Szimmer: yes. Fael. what changed?
    Sky Szimmer: were you amused with yourself being annoyed or were you amused by the children
    Fael Illyar: amused with myself being annoyed.
    Sky Szimmer: oh. that seems to be a good thing
    Adams Rubble: mindfulness!!!
    Fael Illyar: with no intention of letting that annoyance show
    Stargate Tone: yea
    Stargate Tone: to laugh to oneself :)***
    Sky Szimmer: what do you mean by not having intention of letting that annoyance show?
    Fael Illyar: Well, I wasn't about to go to silence the children :P
    Sky Szimmer: you mean, you didn't want to seem annoyed? or you didn't what that annoyance to be
    Sky Szimmer: you can always ask them to quiet down some
    Stargate Tone: well…in Finland…oh no
    Stargate Tone: You can get police to Your neck for such
    Fael Illyar: Yes, try to tell random mother that their child is being too noisy and they'll be mightily annoyed.
    Adams Rubble: Well the situation can be a difficult one Fael
    Fael Illyar: Well, I ended up not paying any attention after a while of being amused at myself.
    Stargate Tone: yea
    Adams Rubble: It is good there was a positive outcome :)
    I (Fael) forgot to emphasize that I told this story because I wanted to add another thing to the list of positive changes PaB (and meditation) has achieved.
    Adams Rubble: Sky was making an interesting distinction
    Fael Illyar: interesting distinction?
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Adams Rubble: let me look back….
    Adams Rubble: yes, she was leading you to your motive
    Adams Rubble: whether you were concerned about looking annoyed…
    Adams Rubble: or being annoyed
    Adams Rubble: the answer can be helpful to you
    Adams Rubble: for the next time
    Adams Rubble: or similar situation
    Adams Rubble: mindfulness!!!
    Fael Illyar: Yes, mindfulness does come into pretty much every situation :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Fael Illyar: Well, one of the reasons I didn't want to do anything was that the children were making that much noise pretty much because they weren't getting what they wanted.
    Adams Rubble: I think the crux of the situation is
    Adams Rubble: that the children's behavior is the parent's responsibilty
    Adams Rubble: for the most part
    Adams Rubble: and that the example is more
    Adams Rubble: that it is one in which we do not have complete control
    Adams Rubble: except for our own reaction
    Adams Rubble: and so we focus on our response
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I've been thinking along the lines of "You can't change the world, but you can change yourself" for a few years now.
    Adams Rubble: which is why I am here :)
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