You Seeing / Being Seeing

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    A few session excerpts about the You Seeing / Being Seeing Practice
    (with Enlightened Seeing as a contrast)



    December 2 01:00:

    Pema Pera: -- but then there is a very radical way
    Pema Pera: in which you switch from you to Being
    Pema Pera: totally different
    Pema Pera: instead of identifying with the you you thought you were, you let Being Be
    Pema Pera: that is by far the fastest and simplest way . . . . .
    Becka Finesmith: each way leads to the radical?
    Pema Pera: not "leads to"
    Pema Pera: but "is allowed by"
    Pema Pera: if you really like to continue to struggle unnecessarily :-)
    Pema Pera: (saying all this totally seriously, not trying to be flippant)
    Becka Finesmith: I don't want to struggle, but I'm not ready to let go of all I know yet
    Becka Finesmith: So I must take the scenic route
    Pema Pera: you will never be ready
    Pema Pera: Being has always already been ready


    Pema email quoted by Wol: 

    YS is phenomenology: you start by observing very carefully what is at hand, how you are functioning, how the world presents itself, without trying to change anything at all; you notice subjects and objects and subject/object interactions and you carefully watch and analyse their properties.
    Wol Euler: You might say that this is just a formalization of what we try to do while "stopping and dropping"
    Wol Euler: and to a certain extent that's true.

    Wol Euler: ES is traditional spiritual practice: you train toward an ideal of becoming an enlightened person, and in order to keep your eyes on the goal, you can imagine from time to time what it would be like to view the world that way.
    Wol Euler: Enlightened seeing is something of a bone of contention. I like it rather more than Pema does :)
    Wol Euler: His objection is I think mostly to the word "enlightened" which is used a little too casually sometimes
    Wol Euler: it can make us feel that we have "moved along" and "made progress"
    Wol Euler: which are illusions.
    Wol Euler: (Pema, feel free to jump in as I take your name in vain ;)
    Pema Pera: you're doing fine, Wol!

    Wol Euler: The third type, Being Seeing, is where the fun starts.
    Wol Euler: BS is a radical way of exploring reality: beyond all distinctions of categories, including those of science or religion or philosophy, you don't try to analyse as in YS or practice as in ES, instead you just let Being do the work, while still remaining completely present and attentive.
    Wol Euler: That goes beyond the "you" of YS who sees; beyond the future enlightened you of ES.
    Pema Pera: Thanks, Wol!
    Wol Euler: Being is ... well, being just IS.


    Bolonath Crystal: as an advaitin i think of life as a dream. the dream selves cannot be enlightened, and the dreamer already is. so YS is actually done by being. i can't find the difference between YS, ES and BS, except maybe that in YS the dream self identifies with his/her/its illusion of 'self'. maybe i'm only lacking fantasy...
    Pema Pera: exactly Bolo!!


    Pema Pera: the danger of misunderstanding the notion of Being is much smaller I think
    Pema Pera: we just have *no* idea what it can be, no pun intended
    Pema Pera: so we just play with it, innocently, like a child
    Pema Pera: waiting for Being to show itself to us

    Wol Euler: BS is (ideally) about pure appreciation, seeing intuitively without labeling

    Wol Euler: wikipedia "Creative visualization (sports visualization) refers to the practice of seeking to affect the outer world via changing one's thoughts.[1] Creative Visualization is the basic technique underlying positive thinking[2] and is frequently used by athletes to enhance their performance."
    Wol Euler: yes, that is related to ES, but less so to YS and (ideally) not at all to BS


    aurel Miles: i find it difficult to do that deliberately because i find my own awareness of the attempt to do it gets in the way of the kind of clarity i need to just open up and do it.
    Tarmel Udimo: yes and it is only a breathe away
    aurel Miles: i find i am continually asking myself if i am doing it yet.
    aurel Miles: whereas - it does come up quite naturally and gracefully at other times.
    Pema Pera: the challenge me be to not "do" it, Aurel, but to let Being do it . . . does that make sense, that difference?
    aurel Miles: yes the difference makes sense but the awareness of the attempt still clouds the process

    Pema Pera: but perhaps we can see that we are closing down all the time -- and the only challenge is then to stop doing that -- does that make a difference?
    Pema Pera: stopping the deliberate closing down :-)
    aurel Miles: are we closing down all the time?
    aurel Miles: i'm not sure i agree
    Pema Pera: as for me, that helps, to look at it that way -- yes, I think so, almost all the time, to some subtle degree . . . .
    Adams Rubble: I can relate to that
    Pema Pera: we can always be more open . . . .


    This page is in progress. If interested in following up further, see the Theme Sessions page, which contains these full sessions and more. Thanks. :)

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