2008.07.10 19:00 - I Don't Have To Believe ...

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pia Iger and the comments are Pia's.

    When I arrived, Syl, Dakini, Maxine and Fred were already seated, with Steve sitting in one of the tiny cushion.

    Sylectra Darwin: Greetings!
    Sylectra Darwin: what's wrong with Steven?
    Dakini Rhode: Hi Pia, Sylectra!
    stevenaia Michinaga: strange pillows, very soft
    Maxine Walden: hi, Sylectra and Pia
    Sylectra Darwin: Hi Dakini!
    Dakini Rhode: haha
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: hi pia
    Sylectra Darwin: Is Steven broken?
    Pia Iger: Hello, there,
    Dakini Rhode: I was just thinking there's no need for the tinies cushions :)
    Dakini Rhode: and steve found a use for them !
    Sylectra Darwin: Friedrich, can you scoot over one? I like the kneel poses better?
    Sylectra Darwin: Thanks!
    Sylectra Darwin: It's a nice gesture, to make room for the tinies.
    Sylectra Darwin: Manners cost nothing, I once heard in a TV show!
    Dakini Rhode: we had some at the zen retreat, but our former tinies seem to have grown up

    Syl was still in the mood of making 9-sec video.

    Sylectra Darwin: We were just playing with animations for the 9-second video
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: we were talking the other day about a small group configuration in here
    Dakini Rhode: ah!
    Sylectra Darwin: Cool
    Sylectra Darwin: I am learning to use the software.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: I sat on the table, but then I got accused of being the teacher
    Sylectra Darwin: I am wondering if I need to size the window down before beginning.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: <kidggin. not accused>
    Sylectra Darwin: But the animations we were trying were such a hoot.
    Sylectra Darwin: haha
    Dakini Rhode wonders whether begging to see them would help...
    stevenaia Michinaga: not exactly contemplative, were they
    stevenaia Michinaga: although, the 9 second chicken dance had possibilities
    Sylectra Darwin: they were hilarious!
    Maxine Walden: LOL
    Sylectra Darwin: I like the crane one
    Dakini Rhode: oh, did you try the onigokko?
    Maxine Walden: can imagine it just now!
    Sylectra Darwin: that would be an excellent one, Dakini
    stevenaia Michinaga: pas it over
    Dakini Rhode: or the chocolate disco?
    Dakini Rhode: those are sort of PaB classics
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: bawk bawk
    Sylectra Darwin: I can see that we could use some more
    Maxine Walden: can't you see it now: 10 yrs down the road 'PaB classics' coming up
    Sylectra Darwin gave you floating-meditation.
    Dakini Rhode: oh my, Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Sylectra
    Sylectra Darwin: thank you
    Sylectra Darwin: sure!
    Dakini Rhode: that sure makes me think....

    Fred spoke up of his mind.

    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: well, I don't know about anyone else, but my mind has been all over the place this week
    Maxine Walden: please Fred, what about?
    Dakini Rhode: did you stay with it, Fred?
    Dakini Rhode: (I should say did you follow it)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: if there were some consensus, perhaps I could fixate this on a common cause... something about the stars and planets?
    Dakini Rhode: brb
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: nothing specific. vacuum kinda. openness and freedom of the summer, for me I think
    Sylectra Darwin: sure, sounds good
    Maxine Walden: sort of a vacation of a sort?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: you could say that.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: always an internal pressure to make something of it
    Maxine Walden: yeah, I know about that pressure as well
    Maxine Walden: sometimes it's difficult to just 'let it be' at least for me
    Sylectra Darwin: the lure of the projects
    Maxine Walden: just resting like this can be relaxing

    I thought of those not so relaxed weekends of mine.

    Pia Iger: I used to have that kind of pressure during weekends, too.
    Pia Iger: like have to do something fun, have to finish some project,
    Pia Iger: instead of just relax
    Maxine Walden: or have to go out and make the most of the sunshine
    Pia Iger: exactly, Maxine,
    Maxine Walden: funny, isn't it, how we can pressure ourselves in any direction
    Pia Iger: Yes, felt like if just rest at home was a waste of time.
    Maxine Walden: I know exactly what you mean! Rest and relaxation as a waste!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: I think the only wasted time is time spent wallowing in guilt about the past
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: though, I suppose that too can be redeemed
    Maxine Walden: wallowing is such an interesting term about guilt, but it really seems to apply
    Maxine Walden: these thoughts seem to me to express how difficult it can be to just stay appreciating the value of this very moment, every moment
    Dakini Rhode: the really nice thing about a practice such as ours...
    Dakini Rhode: is that it makes wallowing, stressing, etc. so much more optional
    Dakini Rhode: do you think?
    Maxine Walden: yes, indeed, Dakini
    Pia Iger: nods.

    Dakini said more about options we can have.

    Dakini Rhode: ordinarily, we're so caught up in our thoughts and judgments about things
    Sylectra Darwin: I like that thought - negative emotions as optional
    Dakini Rhode: (or can be)
    Dakini Rhode: :)
    Dakini Rhode: any practice which can give us more flexibility...
    Dakini Rhode: in how we view our thoughts...
    Dakini Rhode: gives us more options
    Dakini Rhode: like the bumper sticker I saw recently...
    Dakini Rhode: :->
    Sylectra Darwin: hahaha
    Maxine Walden: (appreciating the birdsong and lovely company of these friends at this moment) sad to have to go in a minute or so
    Maxine Walden: wonderful bumper sticker, Dakini
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, does all this letting go require relinquishing agency?

    Like Syl, I am not clear about the word "agency'used here.

    Sylectra Darwin: awww
    Dakini Rhode: (sad you need to leave, too)
    Sylectra Darwin: agency?
    Dakini Rhode: what do you think, Fred?
    Sylectra Darwin: Can you explain?
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: intention
    Sylectra Darwin: oh
    Maxine Walden: no, holding on to agency, for me lightly though
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: lightly. that’s a good answer.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: heh. I didn't mean letter agencies
    Sylectra Darwin: there's a difference I guess between intention and expectation.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: g'night Maxine
    Dakini Rhode: don't you have even more agency when you have the option to hold on or let go?
    Maxine Walden: have to go, lovely conversation, bye all
    Sylectra Darwin: nite, Maxine
    Pia Iger: bye, Maxine
    Dakini Rhode: than when you're compelled to hold on?
    Dakini Rhode: (just wondering...)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yes, that helps too. letting go of expectation is very different from holding lightly to agency
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: the universe is full of surprises
    Sylectra Darwin: smiles
    Dakini Rhode likes surprises
    Tea Cup whispers: Tea Time!
    Dakini Rhode: well, I regret I must leave too...
    Sylectra Darwin: OK, night, Dakini
    Pia Iger: bye, Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: take care!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: cya, D

    Maxine and Dakini left. Fred, Syl, Steve and I had our tea time under the starry sky. 

    tea time under stars.jpg

    It took Fred a while to hold the tea cup right:)

    Syl showed us new poses for her video project.

    Sylectra Darwin gave you Tea Cup.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: tnx! I think in the tea house the kettle provided.
    Tea Cup whispers: Tea Time!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: maybe I should have kept my cup ;-)
    Tea Cup whispers: Tea Time!
    Sylectra Darwin: Did it not work?
    Tea Cup whispers: Tea Time!
    Sylectra Darwin: OK, good
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: good? its burning my leg!
    Sylectra Darwin: LOL
    Sylectra Darwin: Well Pia I wanted to show you those two poses if you don't mind
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh - is it a right handed tea cup?
    Sylectra Darwin: These gentlemen have already tried them
    Pia Iger: Fred, just click Wear
    Tea Cup whispers: Tea Time!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: ha!
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: I was attaching it, but now, I am floating on air
    Pia Iger: attaching to leg?
    Sylectra Darwin: Pia, this is the one we were thinking of using after the meditation demo
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: eek! get it off of me!
    Sylectra Darwin: or...
    Sylectra Darwin: no, too militaristic
    Sylectra Darwin: Steven is demonstrating the meditation pose
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: yup. right handed tea.
    stevenaia Michinaga: ....smile
    Sylectra Darwin: haha, Fred
    Sylectra Darwin: this one is good too, it's like "whoa" I perceive Being
    Sylectra Darwin: I think Steven has left the building...in spirit
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: "whoops, you've done it again"?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I love that symbol
    Sylectra Darwin: haha
    Sylectra Darwin: You know what's funny is trying to walk while in a sit pose.
    Sylectra Darwin: got it narrowed down to three.
    Pia Iger: can't wait to see the final video.
    Sylectra Darwin: Thanks! I hope it's good
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: anybody want catch some jazz soon?
    Sylectra Darwin: Warning: I am a rank amateur at this.
    Sylectra Darwin: Like FDR said, I promise to experiment.
    Sylectra Darwin: sorry, I am in a state tonight
    Sylectra Darwin: I am being disruptive
    Pia Iger: np, we are in state of letting go.
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: going, going, gone
    Sylectra Darwin: smiles

    I misunderstood what Fred said about Jazz.

    Pia Iger: Is Fred performing jazz soon?
    Sylectra Darwin: There is a lovely person who runs Madhu's Cafe in the sky
    Sylectra Darwin: She has a tiny av that would fit that tiny cushion
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: oh, I don't play an instrument in here. (I say as I am tapping my leg)
    Friedrich Ochsenhorn: but, sylectra mentioned something about a club she knows

    Time was already 7:50pm. We decided to leave for the dancing club Syl knew. and Wow, we can t/p right inside the club. Guess bouncers are truly out of job in SL.

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