2008.09.02 13:00 - Seasons Changing

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    The guardian for this session was Genesis Zhangsun.  The comments below are hers.


    I entered to find Threedee and Adelene. 

    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Threedee and Adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: hi!
    Threedee Shepherd: hi Gen
    genesis Zhangsun: I like the color change Adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: thanks ^.^ Getting to be autumn, so I decided to change.
    Adelene Dawner: I have another one set up for a bit later in the season, too ^.^
    genesis Zhangsun: lol
    genesis Zhangsun: you know two days ago it really felt like it became fall here
    Adelene Dawner: yup
    genesis Zhangsun: I love that feeling when you realize the season has shifted
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^ agreed
    genesis Zhangsun: it shifts something inside
    Adelene Dawner: And fall is my favorite anyway.
    genesis Zhangsun: me too!
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, here too, in Colorado. Fall is the nicest time of year, IMHO
    genesis Zhangsun: it is a dramatic time full of changes
    genesis Zhangsun: things always get started for me in the fall
    genesis Zhangsun: genesis Zhangsunr proposal was great by the way Threedee Iam sure Adelene shared my response with you
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Adelene Dawner: yup ^.^
    genesis Zhangsun: when I say your proposal I mean both you like the usted form of you plural in spanish
    genesis Zhangsun: I wish we had a you all form or you
    Threedee Shepherd: yup
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    genesis Zhangsun: Maxine's email was interesting
    genesis Zhangsun: did either of you read this?
    genesis Zhangsun: you as in ustedes :)
    Threedee Shepherd: yes and I have a reply in a few brief sentences.
    Adelene Dawner: scanned it a bit... reading now.
    Threedee Shepherd: Cool it. Let the process evolve. Trust the process.
    genesis Zhangsun: Yeah
    Adelene Dawner pokes Three. "Trying to force yourself to ignore something you're concerned about doesn't *work*, yanno."
    genesis Zhangsun: some people are in the "stream" in the sense that there is intuition about these things
    genesis Zhangsun: about the natural process
    Threedee Shepherd: not enforcing. Advocating "not-doing"
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Adelene Max needs to do what she needs to do
    genesis Zhangsun: I agree
    genesis Zhangsun: it is hard to "not do" more than "doing"
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, how about, "Cool it, for now." ...
    genesis Zhangsun: funny isn't it
    genesis Zhangsun: that not doing takes more effort
    genesis Zhangsun: at least in the beginning
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, Zen masters will say that's why it takes all that time sitting and practicing.....
    genesis Zhangsun: Integration is the challenge for most I think
    Threedee Shepherd: OK, another revision: "Take a deep breath. Let the process evolve a bit longer. Trust the process."
    genesis Zhangsun: for me its not difficult to sit for 1 hour even 2
    genesis Zhangsun: but if people are all around me demanding things of me or anyway it appears that way I start to lose this "cool"
    genesis Zhangsun: taking the benefits of the sitting into the rest of the day is challenging
    Threedee Shepherd: gen, for me sitting quietly wa measures in 10s of seconds. Since starting the 9-sec it has increases to a few minutes.
    Threedee Shepherd: *was
    Threedee Shepherd: *was measured
    genesis Zhangsun: do you feel restless when sitting?
    Threedee Shepherd: yes
    Threedee Shepherd: perhaps *mentally* as much if not more than physically.
    Adelene Dawner: Interesting contrast - it sounds like your drive to 'go do something' is internal - mine's almost always more external, a worry that I'm *expected* to go do stuff, and that 'just sitting' will get me into trouble.
    Threedee Shepherd nods
    genesis Zhangsun: perhaps though the restless voice in the head of someone like Threedee is the voice of the expectation of others
    genesis Zhangsun: ?
    genesis Zhangsun: could be interpreted as your own but hard to separate your own voice sometimes from the voice of others
    genesis Zhangsun: by "voice" I don't mean hearing voices
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, I wondered that. AND, I get pleasure from knowing/learning. So, perhaps some of both?
    genesis Zhangsun: to clarify then when you are sitting you feel you should be more actively knowing/learning?
    Threedee Shepherd: no shoulds. It's more like my *mind* (used colloquially) keeps seeking
    Adelene Dawner: For me, when I'm sitting... thoughts arise, of course, that seems unavoidable. But I don't encourage them, and I often quite literally don't remember later what I was thinking about.
    Adelene Dawner: (And the stuff I *do* remember, from those sessions, is usually really deep and useful.)
    genesis Zhangsun: like the silence between notes in music
    genesis Zhangsun: the notes "the parts" you remember stand out
    genesis Zhangsun: beautiful between the moments of deep silence
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    genesis Zhangsun: there is just so much "noise" often in daily life or in sitting
    genesis Zhangsun: that drowns out the silence that makes the music
    genesis Zhangsun: until you relax and don't do and then noise turns into a complex symphony
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "What's the difference? Music's just noise by another name."
    genesis Zhangsun: for which our ears are rarely trained
    genesis Zhangsun: yes Adelene :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^ :D
    Saira Collas: Konnichiwa
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Saira
    genesis Zhangsun: would you like to joing us?
    Saira Collas: hai, arigato
    genesis Zhangsun: Have u been to our meetings before?
    Saira Collas: yea
    Saira Collas: i am Saria, Miko from the near by shrine dedicated to lord Susanoo
    genesis Zhangsun: well welcome!
    genesis Zhangsun: neighbors!
    Saira Collas: hai
    genesis Zhangsun: what is the Lord Susanoo
    genesis Zhangsun: or rather who
    genesis Zhangsun: I am sorry that I am completely ignorant
    Saira Collas: Lord of storm, brother of the Lord of the moon and lady of sun amatersu
    genesis Zhangsun: are there any sort rituals or practices associated with your belief?
    Saira Collas: not the most popular
    genesis Zhangsun: Hi Corvi!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello.
    Threedee Shepherd: hello Corvi
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all.
    Saira Collas: weddings, purfications, batimall, spirit warding, and more Saira Collas:
     oh my, i am sorry i ritaul bath is ready, i need to leave you
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye!
    Threedee Shepherd: bye
    Saira Collas: sumemasen
    genesis Zhangsun: Sorry crashed
    Threedee Shepherd: I cannot help but wonder if the ritual bath is in RL or SL?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: wb
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh, yes..a good question.
    Adelene Dawner: She seemed to be a roleplayer. I'd assume SL.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.. I would as well.
    Threedee Shepherd nods
    genesis Zhangsun: How are you doing Corvi?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I'm quite well today.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: How are you?
    genesis Zhangsun: yeah good!
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks for asking
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Exciting things happening? or just general happiness?
    genesis Zhangsun: exciting things and general happiness
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    genesis Zhangsun: How are enjoying the PaB meetings?
    genesis Zhangsun: or rather are you?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Very much. I have lots of fun things to do in SL..but I am drawn back here.
    genesis Zhangsun: sorry that was directed at Corvi
    genesis Zhangsun: why is that?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Good question, I've been asking myself the same thing.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmm.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire looks at Adelene, and 3d.
    Adelene Dawner: yes?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think...I have found people here I much enjoy.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    genesis Zhangsun: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: were you purring!
    genesis Zhangsun: that was cute Threedee
    Threedee Shepherd: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I wish I could purr
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ooo
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think that could be arranged...
    genesis Zhangsun: wouldn't it be nice whenever there was a cozy moment you could just purr to convey how you felt to others
    Threedee Shepherd: mmhmm
    genesis Zhangsun: I wonder if there is a purring equivalent for humans
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmmm.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiling?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: makes us feel better, communicates good feelings,
    genesis Zhangsun: yes I suppose so
    genesis Zhangsun: purring just seems convey appreciation so much more
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: it does, doesn't it?
    genesis Zhangsun: Corvi do u do any of the practices (not that this matters) but just curious
    genesis Zhangsun: or Threedee?
    genesis Zhangsun: or anyone for that matter?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods. I sorta do the 9 second thingy sometimes. I'm not consistent...but ...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: It is a good practice.
    Threedee Shepherd: I think for primates/humans a purring equivalent is "relaxed posture" which actually communicates physically when monkeys groom
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hello, Myoko.
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Myoko!
    Threedee Shepherd: yes, I do the 9-sec many times throughout the day.
    genesis Zhangsun: We should start going back to grooming
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmmm...
    Myoko Fhang: Hey guys. Sorry I am a bit late. Been hanging out with these zen guys drinking tea.
    Threedee Shepherd: gen, not enough fur :D
    genesis Zhangsun: Nice Myoko
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: massage, I think.
    genesis Zhangsun: well maybe not on me but I know some people I could probably groom ;)
    genesis Zhangsun: the question is would I want to :)
    Threedee Shepherd: heheheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.
    genesis Zhangsun: Hey Cal!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think...we do other kinds of touch, now...hugs and such.
    Caledonia Heron: hey there :)
    genesis Zhangsun: The fashionaly late crowd
    Caledonia Heron: I was in the hood, thought I'd stop by :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I think you have your voice on
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    genesis Zhangsun: I heard it for awhile
    Caledonia Heron: oops
    Myoko Fhang: Hahahaha
    Caledonia Heron: my previous meeting just broke, not fashionably anything :)
    Myoko Fhang: I didn\t even know it is possible to turn on the mic.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: genesis Zhangsun didn't?
    genesis Zhangsun: oh yes see the white dots floating above our head
    genesis Zhangsun: we are voice enabled
    Myoko Fhang: I am a nube
    genesis Zhangsun: thats ok Myoko I am learning things all the time
    genesis Zhangsun: thanks for stopping in Cal
    Caledonia Heron: :)
    genesis Zhangsun: I started talking about music earlier and thought about our jamming around
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    Caledonia Heron: :) [yay!]
    genesis Zhangsun: this time though I was talking about the silence between the notes
    genesis Zhangsun: that makes the music more listenable
    genesis Zhangsun: more beautiful
    Caledonia Heron: the meeting I have this hour conflicts with your session, but did want to say hi :)
    Caledonia Heron: for sure, the silence in between, otherwise potentially just noise
    Caledonia Heron: and timed silence ..well, goodness - all kinds of possibilities :)
    IM: Caledonia Heron: :)
    Threedee Shepherd: the brain-body has numerous natural rhythms, not all having to do with words and sounds, so perhaps silence 8is n9ot totally possible?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmm
    Adelene Dawner: Correct, Three. First thing I hear when I put earplugs in is my heartbeat and breathing.
    Caledonia Heron: good point, tunable frequencies, things above and below the thresholds
    genesis Zhangsun: so is there really such a thing as silence if we can't hear it?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ha!
    Threedee Shepherd: I cannot resist: "Sound of one hand clapping"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: as in..no wavelengths that our ears can hear?
    Caledonia Heron: which is code for is there really such a thing as being if we can't see it? :)
    Caledonia Heron: [I could not resist either]
    Threedee Shepherd: there are sound frequencies we cannot hear, electromagnetic (light) frequencies we cannot see. hEARING AND SEEING ARE HUMAN-WORLD INTERACTION *THINGS*
    genesis Zhangsun: I wonder if Being sits in silence or if sometimes he turn on the radio ;)
    Caledonia Heron: yes 3D, absolutely
    genesis Zhangsun: the world of the relative
    Threedee Shepherd: caps unintentional :)
    Caledonia Heron: and what station? :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire snorts.
    genesis Zhangsun: yeah whats Being's favorite station
    Caledonia Heron: OK, WE UNDERSTAND :)
    Caledonia Heron: I'm picturing a mashup between Rush L and Al Franken
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ha!
    genesis Zhangsun: lol
    Threedee Shepherd: ha!
    Caledonia Heron: two ends rushing to the middle and smashing into each other turning to little particles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire rolls her eyes.
    Threedee Shepherd: Stereophonic (left and right) noise !!
    Caledonia Heron: lol, yeah 3D
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