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Solobill was the guardian, the comments are his.

When I walked in to the Pavilion Umbriel was there with Faenik on his shoulder, and Wol quickly joined us.

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Wol Euler: hello solo, umbriel

Solobill Laville: hello, wol and umbriel!

Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.

Wol Euler: I must warn you, I'm overtired and somewhat boozed from a pint of beer at dinner. I may attempt to turn this into anohter silly session.

Umbriel Levenque: heheh

Solobill Laville: :)

Solobill Laville: ANd I am still batlling a bad pita sandwich from 3 days ago...so, I may be grouchy ;)

Wol Euler snurks.

Umbriel Levenque: um... 3 days-old

Wol Euler: (in a sympathetic way, of course)

Solobill Laville nods

Solobill Laville: Tuesday lunch... :(

Solobill Laville: toxificated, methinks....

Umbriel Levenque finishes his dinner... mm... chickpea stew with cous cous

Wol Euler: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Solobill Laville: anyway

Umbriel Levenque: stay away I'd say Solo

Solobill Laville: oh, yeah

Solobill Laville: Wol doesn't like chickpea stew with cous cous?

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler: yes, I do i was ewwwing your three day old sandwich

Solobill Laville: oh, thanks

Umbriel got us on task and on topic.

Umbriel Levenque: I was in the previous session and we had a good discussion about assumptions

Wol Euler: that sounds like a good starting point. I haven't read the log yet, too busy working.

Faenik: could be

Solobill Laville: me too

Umbriel Levenque: don't think it's up yet

Wol Euler: ah, that might be another reason.

Umbriel Levenque: some pointed out that assumptions are needed to make decisions in timely manner

Wol Euler: "heuristics"

Umbriel Levenque: I haven't really thought about assumptions that way before

Wol Euler: rules-of-thumb: if rainy then umbrella

Solobill Laville: Did it come up that there are different levels/types of assumptions?

Wol Euler: mm?

Solobill Laville: in the previous session I mean?

Umbriel Levenque: yes, different assumptions... ie about people. how one needs to make assumptions (unavoidable in a way) in order to understand others

Wol Euler: call it "patterns", perhaps: assumptions is emotionally (negatively) loaded

Solobill Laville: that is true, Wol

Umbriel Levenque: how one needs to 'wear' these assumptions lightly so that they can be adjusted as one goes along

Umbriel Levenque: yes I agree

Solobill Laville: Or perhaps sends up a warning flag

Faenik: indeed?

Umbriel Levenque: though... what is the difference between them in that case?

Solobill Laville: Maybe a key point is the importance of being aware of the cost of an assumption being wrong

Solobill Laville: i.e. not so big if it doesn't rain vs. congratulating a woman on being "pregnant" when she isn't...;)

Wol Euler: perhaps only a difference of perception. But that is a huge difference, e.g. between christian sects.

Quilty joins us.

Wol Euler: hello quilty, welcome bak.A Kool-aid curveball...

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Thank you and hello all.

Quilty Bookmite: And thanks Wol for filling in for me!

Solobill Laville: Hi, Quilty!

Umbriel Levenque: I stay about from congratulating women being pregnant Solo for that precise reasons

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Wol Euler smiles. A pleasure.

Quilty Bookmite: Peace and Love Umbriel.

Solobill Laville: Right, but that was a light comment, assumptions about Being might be more germane

Umbriel Levenque: cost of assumptions...

Solobill Laville wonders if Wol had Newcastle

Wol Euler: Kronsteiner, actually.

Wol Euler: semi-local brewery

Solobill Laville: ah...

Solobill Laville: yes, assumptions is the topic at the moment Quilty, feel free to join in

Quilty Bookmite: I wouldn't presume to assume. :-)

Solobill Laville: hehe

Solobill Laville: I assumed you would

Solobill Laville: ;)

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Quilty Bookmite: My wife is pregnant at the moment and not many people comment on it. :-)

Quilty Bookmite: Probably being cautious.

Solobill Laville: Well, congatulations!!!

Umbriel Levenque: :D

Quilty Bookmite: Thanks.

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Ai...he_Kool-Aid.22

Wol Euler: oh damn, wrong window. sorry.

Umbriel Levenque: yes congratulations Quilty and the family

Umbriel Levenque: too much beer... :-)

Wol Euler: oh congrats! well cone :-)

Wol Euler: *done even

Umbriel Levenque: beer and PaB don't mix it seems

Wol Euler: beer and Being mix very well, perhaps.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Solobill Laville: I was wondering about the kool-aid tie-in.. :)

Wol Euler: well, I was talking to an absent newish member of the group, who was vaguely unsettled by the things she was starting to believe...

Quilty Bookmite: Drinking kool-aid means comitting suicide?

Solobill Laville: No

Wol Euler: rather: it means swallowing the ideology

Solobill Laville: It means "buying in" to some belief set

Quilty Bookmite: I suddenly feel like I am flaunting my virility. It wasn't my intention. :-)

Wol Euler laughs and thwaps you with a pillow

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Solobill Laville thinks "damn, Quilty is viril!"

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Solobill Laville thinks he might be a bit viral at the moment

Quilty Bookmite: Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet. :-)

Wol Euler is feeling very virtual.

Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.

Quilty Bookmite: I think you may be very virtuous.

Umbriel Levenque: didn't know the phrase... interesting

Solobill Laville thinks it is best to let other people blow your trumpet

Quilty Bookmite: Indeed.

Wol Euler laughs and thwaps you with a pillow

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Solobill Laville: lol

Solobill Laville: I'm feeling a little better now

Quilty Bookmite: OK, I've done it again. Please continue with the serious conversation.

Wol Euler: heheheheheh

Umbriel Levenque: :D

Umbriel Levenque: um... reading back

Quilty Bookmite: That's killed it.

Solobill Laville: yes, keep us on track please, umbriel :)

Quilty Bookmite: I missed the start so I can't read back.

Geo joins the group.

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Geo.

Wol Euler: hello Geo, nice to see you again

Solobill Laville: Hi, Geo

Geo Netizen: Hello everyone

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Umbriel Levenque: Geo we are continuing the discussion on assumptions

Solobill Laville: ...or trying to...hehe

Geo Netizen: Good ... it's a very intesting topic

Geo Netizen: with a few distractions I'm sure

Geo Netizen: :)

Wol throws out some festivity, for which we were unprepared...

Wol Euler: onigokko

Solobill Laville smiles

Solobill Laville: uh oh, there she goes

Wol Euler: awwww, buncha spoilsports.

Wol Euler: stop

Umbriel Levenque: yep

Quilty Bookmite: Sorry. I wasn't tailed up.

Solobill Laville: me neither

Wol Euler: unreadiness is no excuse :-/

Solobill Laville: I assumed she would do that (see how I stay on topic!)

Quilty Bookmite: onigokko

Faenik: ah :)

Geo Netizen: Was there meaning to the exhibition?

Quilty Bookmite: stop

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Quilty Bookmite: *sulks*

Quilty Bookmite: None at all, I think.

Solobill Laville: I think the meaning is "Play" :)

Wol Euler: just wear it :-) say "onigokko" to start and "stop" to, well, stop.

Geo Netizen: Of course .... I should have known

Quilty Bookmite: I assumed that Wol would still have hers switched on.

Wol Euler: the meaning is probably "I had two glasses of beer and one of Schnapps on top of four hours' sleep"

Solobill Laville nods appreciatively

And Unbriel with Herculean efforts brings us back once more...

Umbriel Levenque: do we need to be aware of 'cost of assumptions' or that they are assumptions?

Wol Euler coughs and adjusts her facial expresssion.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Solobill Laville: awareness is always good

Quilty Bookmite: We make assumptions all the time. It's difficult to function without them.

Solobill Laville: but I'd argue moreso on the potential negative outcome of the assumption being wrong

Solobill Laville thinks Wol's expression looks fairly convincing

Umbriel Levenque: your assumptions include patterns or are they different things? sorry I'm losing the track a bit here

Quilty Bookmite: Maybe we don't always voice those assumptions. That's what can get us into trouble.

Geo Netizen: But I suggest that without some simplifying assumptions … we’d be paralyzed by complexity.

Umbriel Levenque: easy to put on an expression in SL while downing beer in RL

Solobill Laville: Umbriel, to me, assumptions are assumptions, but they are on a scale of relative impact

Quilty Bookmite: Exactly Geo.

Wol Euler: an assumption is a prediction based on an observed pattern. "Fred always eats salad, I won't make steak for the group"

Umbriel Levenque: yes Quilty

Solobill Laville nods

Umbriel Levenque: I find it uncomfortable when I have to 'voice' assumptions

Geo Netizen: Yes even coming up with a menu could be impossible without some assumptions.

Wol Euler smiles

Quilty Bookmite: So is it better to ask a woman if she is pregnant or is that just as bad as assuming she is?

Solobill Laville: defining even basic words requires assumptions at some level

Geo Netizen: Oooo … risky business :)

Wol Euler: at some level we _need_ assumptions, we cannot question everything. "Is this still the gas pedal? How do I now that it is still the gas pedal -- just because it was so yesterday"

Quilty Bookmite: Maybe better to keep mum.

Solobill Laville: To quote Dave Barry, "Never congratulate a woman on being pregnant unless you actually see a baby coming out of her at that very moment."

Geo Netizen: We cannot wait to act until we have *all* the facts

Faenik is a hairy black ball with eyes and ears.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Geo Netizen: At least our ancestors could not afford that luxury

Quilty Bookmite: Our ancestors were probably less sensitive.

Geo Netizen: Maybe .... or

Wol Euler: ... but they faced problems that we do not.

Wol Euler: we can go to the store and trust that everything there is edible,

Solobill Laville: They may not have had as much luxury to question assumptions either

Solobill Laville won't assume the food is edible where he ate lunch Tuesday

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler: on tuesday it probably was. today is friday.

Quilty Bookmite: I guess it's about probability. There is a low probability of buying food that will poison us therefore we assume it's safe.

Solobill Laville: ahhhh

Geo Netizen: Yes … I would agree that we are in a better position to examine many things.

Geo Netizen: But still .... we need to make some assuptions to be functional

Geo Netizen: to be social

Faenik: could be

Quilty Bookmite: Yes, otherwise we would have to have all food lab tested before we eat it. :-)

Geo Netizen: Precisely Quilty

A visual appeared in my head...

Solobill Laville: I guess I see it as a kind of scale

Solobill Laville: on one side is any one assumption

Solobill Laville: on the other is the weight of its impact if wrong

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Quilty Bookmite: But I don't think we make such calculations all the time.

Geo Netizen: We assume restaurant food is safe but ...

Geo Netizen: It isn’t always ...

Wol Euler nods

Geo Netizen: but the probably that I will be the one to die is

Geo Netizen: relatively low

Wol Euler: but it's more likely to be safe than eating a handful of berries that you've never seen growing before.

Quilty Bookmite: Umbriel mentioned patterns, which I think is relevant. We see patterns in things and assume they will continue in that way.

Geo Netizen: The cost of not making that assumption is considered much higher

Umbriel Levenque: yes Quilty

Geo Netizen: True, assumptions have the basis

Umbriel Levenque: there is cost for not making assumptions?

Geo Netizen: Yes ...

Wol Euler: effort, delay

Wol Euler: inconvenience

Geo Netizen: lost opportunities

Quilty Bookmite: We can hardly function without assumptions.

Solobill Laville: True

Quilty Bookmite: So we've covered that then? :-)

Faenik: なるほど^^

Geo Netizen: But if we do not allow those assumptions to be questioned … and take the time to reflect …

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Geo Netizen: That is when they get us into trouble

Geo Netizen: Just to mention the other side:)

Geo Netizen: Is Faenik a bot?

Umbriel Levenque: well... to be aware of assumptions, one must question them often I suppose

Umbriel Levenque: he talks at a random interval Geo

Solobill Laville: I think that is a good practice, Umbriel

Solobill Laville: Especially about those with large impact

Umbriel Levenque: not sure if I do that Solo... I just know I get it wrong almost most of time

Wol recommends a book.

Wol Euler: let me recommend a novel related to questioning assumptions, btw: "The dice man" by Luke Rhinehart.

Geo Netizen: It is good for me to be reminded :)

Geo Netizen: Thanks Wol

Umbriel Levenque: thank you Wol. will make a note on my reading list

Wol Euler: executive summary: He creates a new "religion" of not following any practice or habit or assumption, but letting his every action be determined ty tossing dice.

Wol Euler: quite amusing, and thought-provoking too.

Umbriel Levenque: sounds it

Solobill Laville: Sounds like a reality show

Wol Euler: heheheh

Geo Netizen: I’d think that system would quickly end in death

Solobill Laville: Depends on how the "actions" are determined, I would guess

Wol Euler: the novel ends pretty abruptly, yes.

Solobill Laville: oh, there you go!

Solobill Laville: Geez, thanks, Wol, now I don't have to read it ;)

Wol Euler: pah.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler: I didn't give away any more than you wouldn't have learned on page 4.

Solobill Laville: hehe

Here I decided to ask Wol about a log I had just read between her and Storm...but things quickly get crazy!

Solobill Laville: So, Wol...

Wol Euler: mm?

Faenik: why not?

Umbriel Levenque: so assumptions done... what's next Quilty?

Wol Euler: world peace? can we solve that in 17 minutes?

Solobill Laville: I was reading back a few logs, and saw on titled something like "Wol gets APAPB"

Quilty Bookmite: I don't have a list.

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Solobill Laville: How did your assumptions play in to that, before?

Quilty Bookmite: How about - Jaffa cakes - cake or biscuit?

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Umbriel Levenque: No man is an island

Wol Euler: oooh, jaffa cakes. yes please.

Solobill Laville shakes his head

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Quilty Bookmite passes Wol a jaffa cake.

Solobill Laville: man these Friday afternoon sessions... :))

Wol Euler: heheheheheheh

Wol Euler: mnomm mnommm

Geo Netizen: Anyone for Banan Nut Muffins?

Solobill Laville: Just tryin' to pull it all together here... :))

Wol Euler applauds. My hero!

Quilty Bookmite: Sorry *hangs head*

Solobill Laville: ooh, that does sound good, I think I may have one ready

Banana Nut Muffin whispers: Hmmm, a fresh baked muffin!

Wol Euler: !

Out come the drinks!

GreenTea(Matcha): Mmmhh... enjoy the best green tea Quilty Bookmite

Sake (koshu) whispers: Enjoy the best sake Geo Netizen

Umbriel Levenque goes to the kitchen and fetches his Bavarian Weissbier

Quilty Bookmite: Sounds good.

Newcastle Ale Mug : Ice Cold Draught mmmmm!

Quilty Bookmite: I'll stick with tea though.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Solobill Laville: So, I covered Pia's Saturday morning session, now there's a different demographic!

Solobill Laville: I had post-party vampires showing up...hehe

Umbriel Levenque: :-) more alert that bunch?

Wol Euler chuckles. And the 7pm's, where threedee and adelene do philosophy.

Solobill Laville: exactly!

Solobill Laville: :)

Wol Euler: 4 a.m. for me :-(

Solobill Laville: This must be the wind-down session...

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Quilty Bookmite: And 3 a.m. for me

Isen drops in.

Wol Euler: hello isen

Umbriel Levenque: yep 3 am for me too

Quilty Bookmite: Well, it is POETS day

Geo Netizen: Hi Isen

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Solobill Laville: Hey, Isen!

Isen Enzo: Greetings gates!

Wol Euler: ha! haven't heard that in ages.

Isen Enzo: Poet's day?

Wol Euler chuckles

Umbriel Levenque: Quilty I haven't had alcohol for months (except a half glass of wine a few weeks ago) since coming to PaB

Quilty Bookmite: The polite version...

Faenik: ah :)

Quilty Bookmite: Push Off Early Tomorrows Saturday.

Wol Euler: :-)

Solobill Laville: Wow, Umbriel, that is something, er, is it?

Umbriel Levenque: yeah... this beer was bought for me... haven't bought alcohol myself really

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Isen.

Quilty Bookmite: I have had the odd whisky.

Quilty Bookmite: Sorry, I didn't notice your arrival.

Wol Euler: Laphroaig, for instance: very odd.

Isen Enzo: odd whisky?

Wol Euler: boom boom

Umbriel Levenque: thought you took precepts and all Quilty

Solobill Laville: Really, what's so odd about it? nyuk, nyuk

Quilty Bookmite: What's odd about it?

Isen Enzo: rimshot!

Wol Euler: ah the old jokes are the best

Umbriel Levenque: John Simpson loves that stuff

Umbriel Levenque: real strong Solo

Quilty Bookmite: It is an acquired taste.

Solobill Laville: :) and peaty

Umbriel Levenque: according to Simpson, life is somewhat sad when one needs to drink water :-)

Wol Euler: ah :)

Geo Netizen: Agreed :))

Solobill Laville thinks, hmmm, I'm drinking water now...

Umbriel Levenque: (instead of achohol for him that is I infer)

Solobill Laville: hehe

Geo Netizen: Wine fruit of the vine, work of human hands and nectar of the gods!

Solobill Laville: Indeed

Wol Euler raise her stein in salute

Geo Netizen: Say Wol… you’re slamming them back pretty seriously over there :)

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler hiccups.

Quilty Bookmite: Well, it's Friday, why not?

Geo Netizen: Yes ... why not ...

Solobill Laville: there aren't many dainty alcohol comsuming anims I've seen in SL... :)

Wol Euler: true dat.

Solobill Laville: And, you know, it's Wol

Sake (koshu) whispers: Enjoy the best sake Geo Netizen

Umbriel Levenque: yes

Wol Euler laughs and thwaps you with a pillow.

Umbriel Levenque: :-) it is Wol yes

Quilty Bookmite: She always seemed such a delicate flower to me.

Wol Euler wonders what that means...

Solobill Laville: does this con-farned auto-recording thingy work yet?

Wol Euler: short answer: no.

Solobill Laville: long answer? no

Solobill Laville: hehe

Wol Euler: longer answer: sometimes, but not often enough.

Quilty Bookmite: noooooooooo?

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Wol Euler: it sometimes doesn't start itself, and I can't figure out why.

Umbriel Levenque: 'delicate flower'....

Faenik: indeed?

Wol Euler: fu@*&!' right I am.

Solobill Laville: hehe

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Geo Netizen: Faenik can sometimes sound intelligent

Quilty Bookmite: Hi Adams

Faenik: ^^

Solobill Laville: When we met, WOl's avatar actually beat up my avatar behind the Tea House

Wol Euler: hello adams, nice to see you.

Wol Euler: lol

Geo Netizen: Hi Adams

Wol Euler: did not, you tripped.

Umbriel Levenque: oh

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Solobill Laville: Hey, Adams!

Adams Rubble: Hello everyone. Not my most graceful entrance :)

Wol Euler: it's another silly session, I'm afraid.

Geo Netizen: Lag's bad again today

Geo Netizen: Hey I thought we did a good job with asumptions

Geo Netizen: or did I just assume that?

Solobill Laville: hehe

Wol Euler: hahahah!

Umbriel Levenque: :-) we did indeed

Umbriel Levenque: I've learnt more at least

I suddenly levitated.

Solobill Laville: weeeee, I'm flyin'!

Umbriel Levenque: heheh

Quilty Bookmite: Solo did a saintly job. He's quite elevated.

Quilty Bookmite: And you haven't touched a drop.

Geo Netizen: Levitation …. I’m impressed

Umbriel Levenque: it's the sandwich

Adams Rubble: Oh, I must go already. Good to see you all :)

Solobill Laville: nope, just did, Guinness

Wol Euler: jet-propelled

Wol Euler: awwww, bye adams take care

Quilty Bookmite: :-)

Solobill Laville: Bye adams

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Quilty Bookmite: I should be going.

Faenik: ah :)

Umbriel Levenque: yes about time

Solobill Laville: Good to see you Quilty

Geo Netizen: Bye Quilty

Wol Euler sighs and nods and drains her glass

Wol Euler: bye quilty, take care

Quilty Bookmite: Bye all.

Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love

Umbriel Levenque: Good night/day to you

Umbriel Levenque: another enjoyable Solo session :-)

Wol Euler: very!

Geo Netizen: Goodbye Umbriel Pax et bonum

Wol Euler: ooh, floating too.

Umbriel Levenque: :-)

Geo Netizen: Okay …enuff sake for me …… thik I’ll call it a …. well … bie everyone …

Wol Euler: bye geo, enjoy the weekend.

Solobill Laville: Bye, Geo

Geo Netizen: You too ... bye all

One final thought...

Solobill Laville: you know, it is so interesting to how folks communicate one on one versus in a larger PaB group

Isen Enzo: yes

Wol Euler: mmhmm, very true.

Solobill Laville: just like RL, methinks

Isen Enzo: one on one is the way to go..

Isen Enzo: methinks

Wol Euler: easier than RL in some ways, Cal and Maxine talked about that recently

Isen Enzo: dokusan!

Wol Euler: mm?

Solobill Laville: true, that Isen

Solobill Laville: one on one

Isen Enzo: well, I'm gonna take my thousand yard stare..

Isen Enzo: and away

Wol Euler: ah

Solobill Laville: but there is a different dynamic of course

Wol Euler: bye isen, enjoy the weekend

Solobill Laville: OK, bye Isen, maybe I'll make it later

Isen Enzo: Thanks for the Heart Sutra

Solobill Laville: yw

Solobill Laville: I have many more...

Isen Enzo: Bye for now

Solobill Laville: Bye

Wol Euler: mm?

Isen Enzo: Blessings

Wol Euler: ah

Solobill Laville: ty, to you as well, Isen

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