2008.10.25 13:00 - Hearts and hedgehogs

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    Wol Euler was Guardian, filling in for Storm. I appeared as a swirling cloud of tiny red and orange hearts, which were referred to several times and gave us our topic and title. Photos will be posted as soon as I can figure out to get them out of my Inventory into RL.


    Wol Euler: hello rotating gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. ah there you are
    Wol Euler: I'm in disguise.
    Wol Euler: I am in fact Storm Nordwind :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: rezzing... slow...
    Wol Euler: sorta kinda
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Wol Euler: hello doug, long time no see.
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow... autumn forest?
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: flurry of hearts, but it does seem seasonal.


    Doug returns from his adventures Away. 


    doug Sosa: hi, been traveling..
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: look amazing Wol
    Wol Euler: ty :)
    doug Sosa: hi


    Adams arrives at high speed, shooting right through the Pavilion and out the other side. 


    Wol Euler: adams whooshes through.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: Greetings everyone :)
    Adams Rubble: Wol?
    Wol Euler: hello again
    Wol Euler: yep, I'm here.
    Adams Rubble wonderes whether they are hearts or Wol has had autumn drop on her
    Wol Euler: both :-)
    Wol Euler: hearts but seasonally coloured
    Faenik: could be
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Wol Euler puts on a deep, gruff voice and Scottish accent.
    Wol Euler: I'm filling in for Storm, who is on a retreat this weekend. Does anyone have anything PaB-ish that they would like to discuss?
    Adams Rubble: Ah, that is right, I forgot. That is nice of you and you too Gaya for all those 1 o'clocks
    Adams Rubble: My RL self is cowering in a corner and I am just an avatar :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: naah, he's a pussycat really.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. np about 1am slots*
    Wol Euler: and for me no problem with the 1 pms, mid evening.
    Adams Rubble: Doug, you are very quiet today
    Adams Rubble never sure whether I can get here on Saturdays
    Adams Rubble: It's raining here today :)
    Adams Rubble: in RL that is
    Adams Rubble: nice and sunny here in SL
    Wol Euler: as always. How dull.
    Adams Rubble thinks it is lovely
    Wol Euler looks expectantly at Gaya.
    Wol Euler: ah, well :)
    Adams Rubble: Your hearts would be blown away Wol
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles... a truly lovely AV
    Wol Euler: ah, but that is good, it would spread me all over the world!
    Adams Rubble: ah
    Wol Euler: it's called "Love is all around" by Yeti Bling.
    Adams Rubble: One little piece of Wol in every sim
    Wol Euler: mmmmm :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. ty
    Faenik loves wells!
    Wol Euler: ah, I haven't seen that outfit in a while, Gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. happy memories with this one. ty Wol...
    Adams Rubble: brb
    Wol Euler: kk
    Gaya Ethaniel: sure
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. np
    Adams Rubble: back
    Adams Rubble: Gaya you've changed
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb. yes
    Wol Euler: nd again
    Gaya Ethaniel: no more I promise
    Wol Euler: nono, as you please.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles

    Finally we settle down to business.


    Gaya Ethaniel: so... what's the topic?
    Gaya Ethaniel: heart?
    Wol Euler: so far nobody has offered one.
    Wol Euler: sure, why not.
    Wol Euler: lead off :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: heart may know better than head... what's your thoughts on this?
    Faenik: why not?
    Wol Euler: they know different things, perhaps, like the fox and the hedgehog
    Wol Euler: "The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing."
    Adams Rubble asks what is that
    Wol Euler: http://www.kheper.net/topics/typolog..._Hedgehog.html
    Adams Rubble: oh no
    Gaya Ethaniel reads
    Wol Euler: sorry :)
    Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.
    Gaya Ethaniel listens... head needs time to process that information?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Gaya Ethaniel: what is intuition/heart? where does it come from?
    Gaya Ethaniel: (obviously not from head right?)
    Wol Euler: wb adams
    Faenik: ah :)
    Wol Euler: good question, where _does_ intuition come from?
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb
    Adams Rubble: Sorry my computer is not happy
    Wol Euler: sorry to hear it :-)
    Wol Euler gives Adams' computer a cookie.
    Adams Rubble didn;t find out what hedgehog knows
    Wol Euler: oh, heheheh
    Wol Euler: the hedgehog-type person has a single big idea, and sees the whole world through it.
    Adams Rubble: Is that the head or heart?
    Wol Euler: Moses for instance, or McCarthy and his Communist-under-every-bed mania
    Adams Rubble: Moses and McCarthy in same sentence (Adams faints)
    Wol Euler: hehehehehe
    Wol Euler: it won't happen again.
    Adams Rubble wondering whether hedgehog is heart or head
    Wol Euler: yeh me too :)
    Wol Euler: it was a spur-of-the-moment suggestion.
    Adams Rubble: hehe Wol

    Doug vanishes.


    Adams Rubble: Doug did more than faint
    Wol Euler: well, it is 1:29
    Adams Rubble: ah, it is 4:29 here
    Wol Euler: but having made the suggestion: I think that hte heart is the hedgehog.
    Adams Rubble: hmmmm
    Wol Euler: its big idea is love, and that is all it wants to know about.
    Wol Euler: intuition comes from the heart. When your intuition says "no" to somebody or something, it is saying "there's something there that I cannot love"
    Wol Euler: but it cant tell you what that is.
    Wol Euler: that is the head's job.
    Wol Euler: the head is the fox, endlessly fascinated by many small things
    Adams Rubble isn't good with this head/heart stuff
    Gaya Ethaniel: cannot love. why not?
    Wol Euler: because you recognize that they are ... whatever: mass-murderers, sociopaths, violently inclined.
    Adams Rubble: oh my
    Wol Euler: taking "love" in a very broad way.
    Gaya Ethaniel ponders
    Wol Euler: or simply "not nice" :)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Wol Euler: Look, this isn't gospel :) I am thinkng on my feet, trying to see if the suggestion makes any sense.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. I know... sorry to put you on the spot


    Adams checks out. 


    Adams Rubble: Folks, I keep doing this but RL is calling me again
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler smiles and sighs. take care, adams
    Wol Euler: see you anon
    Adams Rubble not all that good on planning this weekend
    Faenik loves wells!
    Wol Euler: it happens.
    Gaya Ethaniel: it's tricky when head attempts to understand heart hey Wol
    Adams Rubble: yes anon
    Wol Euler: bye for now
    Adams Rubble: the heart can follow the head
    Wol Euler: Gaya, the rverse is also true. Head says "good god, how can you love that person?", heart answers "no idea, but I do"
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Wol Euler: bye, adams
    Gaya Ethaniel: person or thing... could be anything right
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Gaya Ethaniel: trouble comes when one rejects the other (heart/head)... disagree I mean
    Wol Euler: disharmony :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: what do you normally use to settle?
    Wol Euler: well, "normal" is shifting. My head ruled absolutely for many years, I am learning to listen to my heart. Switching over is a slow process.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
    Wol Euler: and you?
    Gaya Ethaniel: a mixture... but follow heart a bit more perhaps
    Wol Euler nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: often problematic following heart if head doesn't understand why. making connection between heart/head rather difficult for me
    Faenik: indeed?
    Wol Euler: why is that?
    Gaya Ethaniel: refuse to listen I guess
    Gaya Ethaniel: attempt to think first maybe?
    Wol Euler: could be :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: so pins dropped when you said [13:23] Wol Euler: if "heart" is intuition, then it often does know long before the head, yes.
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: well, that is probably universally true. ther are many names for it: gut feeling, instinct


    "Ich kann ihn nicht riechen."

    Wol Euler: the Germans "I can't stand the smell of him" about somebody that htey are uncomfortable with for reasons they can't really explain.
    Wol Euler: which is intuition again. the heart knows something is wrong there, before the head finds a reason
    Gaya Ethaniel: so back to the question... where does intuition come from? also... how does head find reasons?
    Wol Euler: I'm not sure, what do you think?
    Gaya Ethaniel is thinking furiously
    Wol Euler fans your brow.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: intuition... it doesn't seem to be simply biological...
    Gaya Ethaniel: reasons... tend to find them better when I let things to pan out naturally
    Faenik loves wells!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Gaya Ethaniel: similar in a way... the process of how head works... just takes longer than heart
    Wol Euler: the heart judges on "evidence" that the head cannot see, perhaps.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Threedee talked about gut feelings a few times before
    Wol Euler: it may be in a way biological, in that it relies on clues that cannot be consciously perceived, like micro-expressions or indeed smell.
    Gaya Ethaniel: perhaps people who rely on heart more are similar to the hedgehog type
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes he talked in 'body' terms re: gut feelings
    Wol Euler: they would probably make faster and sharper distinctions than those who use the head.
    Gaya Ethaniel: but in public matters, making decisions based on gut feelings are not appreciated so much as the background of the decisions has to be communicated/understood by others
    Gaya Ethaniel: (well even in private matters)
    Wol Euler nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: what made you to start switching from head to heart?
    Wol Euler: realizing that I wasn't getting very far, or rather that it couldn't take me where I wanted to go
    Wol Euler: and also perhaps trusting myself to listen to my heart
    Gaya Ethaniel: interesting... always though head would take me further
    Wol Euler: well, that depends on where you are and where you would rather be :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Faenik: could be
    Gaya Ethaniel: shame we can't watch ourselves living in multiverse, walking on different paths
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: life needs a "reload saved version" button :)
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah well that's life I guess
    Wol Euler: yep
    Gaya Ethaniel: another meeting to go. nice to see you again Wol. enjoyed the discussion
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: bye gaya, nice to see you
    Wol Euler: enjoy the evening
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles. you too ty

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