2008.10.26 19:00 - Fallingwater, AstroNUTs and Fractal Spackle

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    Rowan Masala was the guardian for this discussion.

    Rowan Masala: Hi Adelene
    Rowan Masala: oh!
    Adelene Dawner: Hi :)
    Rowan Masala pets Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Adelene Dawner actually needs to afk for just a minute.
    Rowan Masala: ok
    stevenaia Michinaga: hi
    Rowan Masala: Hi Steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: you the only one here?
    Rowan Masala: no, Adelene is on my lap
    Rowan Masala: but she's afk
    stevenaia Michinaga: awwww, lucky... both of you
    Adelene Dawner has returned.
    J1mmy Weiland: hello, everyone
    Rowan Masala: Hi Jimmy :)
    Adelene Dawner: Hullo people! ^.^
    J1mmy Weiland: hello, pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Everybody!
    Rowan Masala: Hi Pema!
    J1mmy Weiland: how do you change sitting poses, again...?
    stevenaia Michinaga: rezzing
    Rowan Masala: click the cushion
    J1mmy Weiland: ahh doh
    J1mmy Weiland: thanks
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes touch
    Rowan Masala: yw :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: you don;t like the girlie pose?
    J1mmy Weiland: indeed not.
    Rowan Masala: are you comfy, Adelene? I can change to the other pose if you like
    Pema Pera: Is Adelene keeping your feet warm, Rowan :) ?
    Adelene Dawner hmms, and ponders her choice of laps. Anyone particularly in need of a lion today?
    Rowan Masala: nice and toasty
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello pema, you going to be in NJ this week?
    Rowan Masala: Oh, well, I'm happy with you here, but it's up to you
    J1mmy Weiland: i have enough cats on my lap tonight
    Pema Pera: yes, Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: I sent you a thank you
    Rowan Masala grins
    Adelene Dawner will stay put then :)
    Rowan Masala: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello J1mmy, finally rezzed
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pema, make me down as in agreement w/ Geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: mark
    Rowan Masala: agreement about what?
    stevenaia Michinaga: gauadianship
    Pema Pera: ah!
    Pema Pera slowly understanding the context ... :)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Kat :)
    Pema Pera: Hi there Kat!
    stevenaia Michinaga: right, you don't read those most interesting emails, Rowan
    Kat Lemieux: Hi there!
    Kat Lemieux: Sorry, waiting for everyone to rezz before I try to sit down
    Rowan Masala: it's your job to tell me about them, Steven ;P
    J1mmy Weiland: hello, kat
    stevenaia Michinaga: oops
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello kat, have you been here before?
    Kat Lemieux: Yes, thanks
    Pema Pera: many times, often in the wee hours :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: ..smiles
    Rowan Masala: does anyone have a particular discussion topic in mind for tonight?
    Kat Lemieux: Most often in the wee hours
    Kat Lemieux: Architecture
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...smiles
    Rowan Masala: oh... ok...
    Rowan Masala: Being and architecture...?
    J1mmy Weiland: Alan Greenspan
    Kat Lemieux: I was at Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater house today, and it's definitely on my mind
    Rowan Masala: tell us about what you've been thinking, Kat
    Kat Lemieux: Well, Fallingwater is famous because it was one of the first residences built to be "integrated" into the landscape on purpose
    Rowan Masala: Is everyone familiar with Fallingwater?
    Rowan Masala nods
    Adelene Dawner: I'm not
    Kat Lemieux: It's not just a house, it's a statement of philosophy
    Kat Lemieux: See http://www.fallingwater.org
    stevenaia Michinaga: there has been much discussion of FLW use of fractals in his work and how they affect the perception of his work

    stevenaia added the following articles after the log was posted:
    http://zeta.math.utsa.edu/~yxk833/Neuroscience.pdf http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/leonardo/v039/39.3taylor.pdf

    Adelene Dawner: thanks, Kat
    Kat Lemieux: YW
    Kat Lemieux: The house is in the Allegheny Mountains of SW Pennsylvania, south of Pittsburgh
    Rowan Masala: fractals? really? I never thought of them in association with Wright
    Rowan Masala: do you live near there, Kat?
    J1mmy Weiland: weren't fractals discovered after FLW?
    Kat Lemieux: Well, fractals might not have been identified when FLW was around
    Kat Lemieux: No, we're just traveling in the area, Rowan
    Rowan Masala nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: how repetitive patterns in his work at various scale bring calm to the perceiver as this is a very ancient way humans perceive, like blades of grass in the savannah and leaves in the trees
    Kat Lemieux: Fractals do occur in nature, of course, and many artists' work can be analysed to see them
    Kat Lemieux: But I think it's more or less instinctive, not mathematically based when you find them in earlier artists' work
    Rowan Masala: could we please take 9 seconds
    stevenaia Michinaga: exactly
    Rowan Masala: thank you
    stevenaia Michinaga: it's not "I will do fractals" it's what works for the designer and placemaking
    Adelene Dawner mrrs thoughtfully. "I'm not really 'here' and I don't think that's going to change, sorry, guys. I think my time will be better spent elsewhere."
    Rowan Masala: ohh ok, Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: Next time :)
    Rowan Masala: are you alright?
    Pema Pera: bye Adelene
    J1mmy Weiland: spoken like a true feline, adelene
    stevenaia Michinaga: but Rowan's cold feet??
    Rowan Masala: I have tights on, I'll be ok
    Rowan Masala: hi Neela
    Adelene Dawner: Yeah, I'm ok, just life being itself. Not a good day for this kind of discussion, my mind's a bit closer to home. See you all next time.
    Rowan Masala: welcome
    Kat Lemieux: Maybe I can pull up a picture from Fallingwater in a few moments -- downloading 146 images from my camera now
    Pema Pera: Good seeing you again, Neela!
    Rowan Masala: take care, Adelene
    Neela Blaisdale: You too Pema, hello everyone
    Rowan Masala: Neela, we're talking about Frank Lloyd Wright's house "Fallingwater" and fractals
    stevenaia Michinaga: neela a tigeress?
    Rowan Masala: I think she's a snow leopard
    Neela Blaisdale: Yes Rowan
    Rowan Masala: so, you were saying something about the repetition of patterns on different scales as being calming
    J1mmy Weiland: i'm reminded of Bach -- repetition of patterns on different scales, for a similar calming effect
    Rowan Masala: hmm--interesting
    stevenaia Michinaga: I understand and perahps Kat knows more about this than I as I hard it at a seminar, that astronuts were put in a waiting room with a particular wallpaper, not on purpose, but they found that they would be more relaxed in this room, and somehow they realized that it was a fractal based design that seems to have this calming affect
    Rowan Masala: does that have the same effect in the vibrations, Jimmy?
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, more relaxed
    Pema Pera pondering astronuts :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps a lower blood pressure affect or something
    Kat Lemieux: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that anecdote, but it sounds reasonable
    stevenaia Michinaga: waiting for tests
    Rowan Masala: I wonder how we might translate fractals into a meditation
    stevenaia Michinaga: I willl look though this material
    Kat Lemieux: ;-) <-- re: astronuts
    J1mmy Weiland chuckles
    stevenaia Michinaga: I thought it may be one of those tidbits you might be familiar with
    J1mmy Weiland: one such astronut recently travelled to the ISS on a russian rocket
    Kat Lemieux: Sorry, I'm more into information gathering than the information gatherers or facilitators when it comes to the space program
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think it relates to humanity in a safe palce, in the grasses where danger can be perceived, not hidden
    Rowan Masala is a little lost
    J1mmy Weiland: space travel is definitely not for anxiety-ridden claustrophobes
    stevenaia Michinaga: so seeing such pattern from 1000's of years ago should bring that calming effect of safety to our brains
    stevenaia Michinaga: how it relates to meditations? shrugs
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes fractal patterns are there and we don't see them, but feel them
    Rowan Masala: so if there are visual fractals, and audible fractalish things (Bach), what other senses could detect fractals?
    Neela Blaisdale: well meditation uses repetition a lot
    Rowan Masala nods
    J1mmy Weiland: wearing nothing but a wool coat... that might be sensory fractalism.
    Neela Blaisdale: may not be actual fractuals but all meditation is repetitive
    J1mmy Weiland: (or a hair shirt)
    Rowan Masala: explain, Jimmy?
    stevenaia Michinaga: looking, eyes unfocused could create the basis of fractal pattern, larger and smaller shapes of the same type
    J1mmy Weiland: wool has a definite feel, ya know....
    Rowan Masala nods
    Rowan Masala: 9 seconds please
    Rowan Masala: thank you
    Rowan Masala: and how do you imagine that feel resembling a fractal?
    Pema Pera: I think I'm going to get some sleep, have to get up early tomorrow.
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I like the audible component as well
    Rowan Masala: goodnight, Pema
    Pema Pera: Good seeing y'all here!
    J1mmy Weiland: likewise, pema
    Neela Blaisdale: Bye Pema
    stevenaia Michinaga: night pema
    Pema Pera: night everybody!
    Rowan Masala: enjoy your package from Steven, when it arrives
    Kat Lemieux: Bye!
    Neela Blaisdale: I must too, have a good night everyone
    J1mmy Weiland: i was joking about the wool coat, but the same texture as felt on different parts of your skin will feel different
    Rowan Masala: goodnight, Neela
    Kat Lemieux: Goodnight!
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Neela
    J1mmy Weiland: and you are feeling all of them at the same time
    Rowan Masala nods
    J1mmy Weiland: i don't know if certain clothes have a calming effect...
    Rowan Masala: I wonder if anyone has worked on the creation of tactile fractals
    Kat Lemieux: I know my soft black sweater does for me
    Rowan Masala: oh, lovely photo, Kat
    Kat Lemieux: Thanks!
    Rowan Masala: I have this long white cotton nightgown that calms me
    Rowan Masala: the color, the white on white embroidery, the softness of the cotton
    Rowan Masala: actually, white on white patterns in general calm me, I think
    stevenaia Michinaga: I see a fashion show comming on
    Rowan Masala: Most of my linens are white on white stripes
    J1mmy Weiland: very nice photo! thank you, kat
    Rowan Masala: I'm talking RL, Steven
    Rowan Masala: my av doesn't have a long white cotton nightgown
    Kat Lemieux: YW. That was just picked quickly out of I now see 147 photos I took today
    Rowan Masala: wow
    J1mmy Weiland: now that's another topic ... the calming effect of certain clothes in SL
    Rowan Masala: you should make an SL booklet
    Rowan Masala: ah, yes
    Rowan Masala: we should all change into the outfits that make us feel calmest
    Rowan Masala: and tell why
    J1mmy Weiland: i like this outfit, but its a victorian era outfit.... and i always feel a bit silly if i wear it in certain areas
    Kat Lemieux: What I'm wearing in SL tonight is definitely NOT calming. But when I tried to put something else on, my inventory was messed up. Database error
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don't have a night shirt
    Kat Lemieux: Good old SL
    Rowan Masala: you have pajamas, Steven
    J1mmy Weiland: but in a victorian sim, i am very comfortable in this
    J1mmy Weiland: so i guess it depends on context.
    Rowan Masala: and you're very comfortable in Victorian sims
    Rowan Masala: so that's a kind of recursive comfort too
    J1mmy Weiland: you look like you would be comfortable climbing the Alps, Steven :-)
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, I always say you can dress for the cold, but not for the heat
    Kat Lemieux: One undresses for the heat where I come from
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: until there is not more to undress, jsut the heat
    Kat Lemieux: Within reason, of course
    Rowan Masala: well, I guess you could clothe yourself in the wind
    Rowan Masala: that would help with heat
    stevenaia Michinaga: the wind?
    Rowan Masala nods
    Rowan Masala: summon a breeze to wrap around you
    Rowan Masala: just thinking of heat and cold
    Rowan Masala: thought the cold breath might be fun :)
    Kat Lemieux: Neat!
    Rowan Masala: have you tried meditation at all today, since you were at Fallingwater?
    Rowan Masala: I wondered what effect that experience might have had
    Kat Lemieux: No, we just got back.
    Rowan Masala: 9 seconds, please
    Rowan Masala: thank you
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmm, has a vision of gothic cathedrals.. the patterning of the glass and arches
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking of FLW
    Kat Lemieux: Definitely designed to fascilitate meditation!
    Rowan Masala: oh, cathedrals make me very uncomfortable
    Rowan Masala: churches too
    Kat Lemieux: Some of FLW's famous works were stained glass windows
    Kat Lemieux: It's probably not the architecture that does it, Rowan
    Kat Lemieux: ;-)
    Rowan Masala: lol
    Rowan Masala: maybe not
    Rowan Masala: I made a stained glass piece once
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes,and the patterns were embedded there
    Rowan Masala: I love the soldering part
    Kat Lemieux: Although large churches and cathedrals are a bit intimidating
    Kat Lemieux: I've never made stained glass, but often wanted to
    Rowan Masala: oh, you should try it
    Rowan Masala: I should try it again myself
    Rowan Masala: that was 20 years ago
    Kat Lemieux: Fallingwater at least from the outside (we didn't tour the house interior) doesn't seem to have much stained glass
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there anything in particular about architecture you would like to discuss?
    Kat Lemieux: I think it was his later houses, Taliesen and Holly Oak House (?) that had that
    stevenaia Michinaga: I seemed to get wrapped up in FLW and fractals
    Rowan Masala: I would think he wouldn't want to obscure the view with stained glass in Fallingwater
    Kat Lemieux: Well, I just thought that architecture has something in common with meditation -- it can be used to facilitate soothing thoughts -- or not
    Rowan Masala: yes!
    Rowan Masala: I attended a session on Feng Shui at a conference on Thursday
    Rowan Masala: interesting stuff
    Kat Lemieux: Yes Steve, Fallingwater is in such a beautiful setting, anything that comes between the inhabitant and the outdoors is superfluous
    J1mmy Weiland: ha... the theories they spin in feng shui..... it reminds me of Norm the interior decorator in "Cheers"
    stevenaia Michinaga: I find the design process is a meditation
    Kat Lemieux: I agree, Steve
    Rowan Masala: Norm was an interior decorator??
    stevenaia Michinaga: an accountant
    Kat Lemieux: Well, but the fundamental principles of Feng Shui do seem to hold true, and can be seen in many art forms and schools
    J1mmy Weiland: yeah, he got mistaken for a high-priced decorator and tried to carry it as far as he could
    Kat Lemieux: ;-)
    Rowan Masala: lol
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was trying to explain when the guardians met in Princton last week that the images created through drawing were a meditation process
    Rowan Masala: well, I have no idea whether the FengShui principles really work, but I know that certain settings make me far more productive than others
    J1mmy Weiland: there was one line -- "I dunno, maybe it needs some spackle?"
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Kat Lemieux: Are you in Princeton, too, Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I;m about 70 minutes away in Pa
    Kat Lemieux: Cool!
    stevenaia Michinaga: but was there last weekend with 12 other guardians
    Kat Lemieux tries to envision spackling Fallingwater
    stevenaia Michinaga: did you see the drawigns on the PaB website?
    Kat Lemieux: vandalism!
    J1mmy Weiland: i'm sure it was done with fractal spackle
    Rowan Masala: ROFL!
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Kat Lemieux: love it!! Fractal Spackle!
    Kat Lemieux: No, haven't been to the website lately
    stevenaia Michinaga: comes with cracks
    Rowan Masala: I think I'm gonna have to fractal spackle my bedroom now
    Kat Lemieux: ;-)
    Rowan Masala: or maybe my office at work
    Rowan Masala: need to do something there
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio...7_-_19_October
    J1mmy Weiland: my wife and i rearranged our bedroom a couple months ago
    J1mmy Weiland: moved the bed to a different spot --
    Rowan Masala: did you fengshui it?
    J1mmy Weiland: much better now.....
    stevenaia Michinaga: the group images we drew are at the bottom
    J1mmy Weiland: nah, i just sorta made it up as i went along
    Rowan Masala smiles
    J1mmy Weiland: but now we have more privacy when the door is ajar
    Kat Lemieux: Cute!
    Rowan Masala nods
    Rowan Masala: and how do that cats like the new arrangement?
    Kat Lemieux: Cats hate it when ANYTHIG changes
    Rowan Masala nods
    J1mmy Weiland: yes! one cat was very confused when she tried to crawl under the bed
    Rowan Masala: poor kitty
    Rowan Masala: 9 seconds please
    Rowan Masala: thank you
    Rowan Masala: I need to go. Would someone else like to continue the chat log or shall we cut it off here?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, good seeing you all
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Rowan Masala: goodnight all
    Kat Lemieux: Bye! I need to go, too
    Rowan Masala: be well
    J1mmy Weiland: thank you, rowan :)
    Kat Lemieux: 'Night, all!
    J1mmy Weiland: good night, kat
    J1mmy Weiland: have a good evening, see you next time
    Rowan Masala: you too, Jimmy

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