Page last modified 11:39, 9 Apr 2010 by pema

When I, Pema, entered, I found Wol talking with Ry; from the conversation I guessed that it was Ry's first visit to PaB. Adams walked in around the same time.

Wol Euler: that card tells you a little of who we are, and we have a website about the groupFael arrived, here in SL in the pavilion, after having arrived back home in RL after his two-week visit to me in Princeton.

Pema Pera: Hi Wol, Adams, Ry!

Ry Bolissima: how long does it usually last again?

Adams Rubble: Hello Pema, Wol and Ry :)

Wol Euler: mmmm, about an hour or so is usual

Wol Euler: sometimes only thirty minutzes, sometimes up to six hours -)

Wol Euler: hello adams, pema

Pema Pera: hehe, that was one time

Ry Bolissima: ah.. well I can't stay for now.. my chinese class is starting at 10

Wol Euler: true

Ry Bolissima: but it sounds very interesting

Pema Pera: anyone can come and go whenever they like, Ry

Pema Pera: people keep popping in and out

Wol Euler: 4 tiems a day, 1am 7am 1pm 7pm

Wol Euler: ure

Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Ry

Wol Euler: *sure

Wol Euler: take care now

Ry Bolissima: i might can show up at 7pm

Ry Bolissima: you have a good one

Wol Euler: mm, those are particularly active sessions :-)

Ry Bolissima: zai jian.. cya

Pema Pera: How are things going, Wol?

Wol Euler: middling.

Wol Euler: SL good, RL mixed.

Pema Pera: :)

Wol Euler: and yourself?

Pema Pera: oh, fine, just a bit behind with everything . . . .

Adams Rubble: Hello Fael :)

Pema Pera: like, I saw this great title about Wol grokking APAPB or such, and I *still* haven't had time to read the blog!

Pema Pera: will do so soon

Wol Euler: hello fael

Pema Pera: Hi Fael!

Wol Euler: hehehehehe, that was a good one

Fael Illyar: Hi Adams, Wol, Pema :)

Wol Euler: welcome home, in several senses

Fael Illyar: wow, my desktop system feels _sluggish_ after 2 weeks of my laptop.

Pema Pera: did you have a good flight, Fael?

Wol Euler: :)

Fael Illyar: As good of a flight as you can I guess :)

Fael Illyar: but I'm also kind of staring at the color of my AV wide eyed. Doesn't look this purple on my laptop :)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I have been seriously considering borrowing one of those calibration devices to try to match my screen sup

Fael Illyar: well, looks better this way though :)

Fael Illyar: well, visual method would be enough I think

Fael Illyar: but ... did I interrupt your conversation?

Wol Euler: no, we were just getting started

Wol Euler: still in the parking lot, as it were

Fael Illyar: sure :)

Fael Illyar spent less on the trip than expected so now has enough extra to finally order a replacement TFT screen.

Fael Illyar: I was thinking of just having the laptop but ...

Wol Euler: it's always good to have several computers :)

Fael Illyar: well, I have 3 but 2 of them share a screen :P

Wol Euler: o.O

Fael Illyar: they didn't use to but one of my screens broke

Fael Illyar kind of feels like she's dragging topic towards geekery here.

Wol Euler smiles. I usually drag it towards the playground.

Wol Euler: does anyone has anything to discuss?

Wol Euler: (sorry Pema, doing your job from sheer habit)

Pema Pera: I'd love to hear your grokking APAPB Wol

Fael Illyar: ah, that does sound interesting :)

Pema Pera: (even though I still haven't read that chat log, will do so today, promise!)

Pema Pera: (was too busy with all those visitors . . . :)

I was refering to http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/2008/10/2008.10.18_13%3a00_-_Wol_Euler_finally_understands_APAPB!

Wol Euler: ok, I'll give you the executive summary then :)

Fael Illyar was busy being a visitor.

Pema Pera listeing with baited breath

Pema Pera: hehe, Fael

Wol Euler: Storm and Geo were talking about Oth and First and Second Life, and how persons and avs and Being relate to them

Wol Euler: and I had a flash of what felt like insight:

Wol Euler: our SL avs are to our RL selves, as our RL selves are to Being.

Wol Euler: we are Being's avatars in RL

Pema Pera: !

Wol Euler: and had an image of Mr. Being lying inthe bathtub, raising his hand palm upwards out of the water

Pema Pera: hehehe

Fael Illyar: so, sounds like you had this "something clicked" moment :)

Wol Euler: definitely!

Wol Euler: we see his fingertips break the surface and think that they are separate pheomena, but the are all just bits of Being

Pema Pera: Thanks for sharing that, Wol, yes, that's definitely an interesting direction, and definitely one good way to look at things!

Fael Illyar: ah, that's an excellent way to put it :)

Wol Euler: which reminded me of John Donne and "no man is an island"

Pema Pera: !!

Wol Euler: it all seemed to tie togehter and make sense.

Fael Illyar tries to wake up Adams again, important things going on.

Wol Euler: hi corvi

Fael Illyar: Hi Corvi :)

Pema Pera: Hi Corvi!

Corvie arrived, and immediately after that Adams shedded the "away" pose.

Wol Euler: it worked!

Pema Pera: hahaha

Corvuscorva Nightfire: what worked?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hiya!

Wol Euler: [7:16] Fael Illyar tries to wake up Adams again, important things going on.

Pema Pera: you woke Adams!

Pema Pera: your entry

Fael Illyar smiles.

Wol Euler: and imediatly after she de-awayed

Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)

Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh, Hi, Adams!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I was sent to shake you awake.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: apparantly.

Adams Rubble: :)

Fael Illyar is past having to fight not falling asleep for the moment.

Wol Euler muses, Do any of us really know our purpose in life?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I know mine!

Wol Euler: jetlag is a curse.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Jetlag is a curse.

Pema Pera: jetlag is a nice chance to explore states of consciousness

Pema Pera: like waking, dreaming, various states in between

Fael Illyar grins

Wol Euler nods thoughtfully

Pema Pera: (but a curse when you have work scheduled!)

Fael Illyar: speaking of which, the strange period of clarity I had the first evening in Princeton seems to be returning.

Pema Pera: aha!

Fael Illyar: not completely there but resemebles it

Pema Pera: If I may come back to Wol's Grok:

Wol Euler: mm?

Fael Illyar: but I do think I got some realizations the last 2 weeks because of the jetlag :)

Pema Pera: yes, Fael?

I then mentioned three ways to use the notion of Being, with the first one the way Wol had used it.

Pema Pera: Wol, how about a slight variation on the theme you mentioned: to consider the typist of the typist of Wol to not yet be Being in all its full glory, but something in between Being and your RL self, like what Adams called Z-self?

Fael Illyar smiles.

Fael Illyar: ones that don't quite bend to words well

Fael Illyar: I could see the difference in quite a contrast with how I was when jetlagged and when I wasn't

Wol Euler: yes, that is a possibility I suppose. I hadn't really considered that Being itself was personally laying hands on my puppet strings

Fael Illyar: relates to being self conscious.

Pema Pera: hehe, Wol, sure

Wol Euler: mmhmm, the innermost-est of me's, before all training and impulse and fear and thoughts

Pema Pera: I have been using the word Being in at least three different ways, so far, all related for sure, but it is interesting to see the differences too

Corvuscorva Nightfire: sy the three?

Pema Pera: For example, when I sometimes say that I notice how I can step aside to let Being take over or shine through

Pema Pera: then that is more like Wol's move

Pema Pera: of seeing what is behind the RL typist who is behind the SL avatar

Pema Pera: the next one in line so to speak

Pema Pera: That's the first use

Pema Pera: The second use of the word Being is to follow that line all the way to its vanishing point

Pema Pera: to what is totally beyond all distinctions and dualities and dichotomies

Pema Pera: the "ultimate" typist so to speak, but then above all pair of contrasts, even beyond "one vs. many", etc

Pema Pera: Then the third way of using the notion of Being is to consider that everything is already Being, just as it is

Pema Pera: Contrasting and realting the three is an endlessly fascinating adventure

Pema Pera: av -> typist -> B1 -> . . . . -> B2 (with B3 being the space in which this is written)

Wol Euler: hmmmm

Adams Rubble: I was just going to ask where space comes into this

Fael and Corvi then filled in the dots, while creating more of them :-)

Fael Illyar: umm... av -> typist -> b1 -> b2 -> ... -> bnI left, and Wol would later send me the remaining lines:

Fael Illyar: feels more fitting

Corvuscorva Nightfire: mmmm

Fael Illyar: oh wait

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I like Fael's version

Fael Illyar: need to continue

Pema Pera: sure, but I have little to say about the next stage beyond b1 . . . so I skipped that for now, while I do like to focus on the vanishing point

Fael Illyar: well, basically, infinite list :)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: maybe the numbers are backward

Pema Pera: many traditions focus on exploring Fael's b1, b2, etc, and then there is the drawback of never getting to the vanishing point ; PaB STARTS at the vanishing point, that's the biggest difference

Pema Pera: Alas, RL interfering, making me vanish now!

Corvuscorva Nightfire: av ->typist -> bn ->bn-1 -> b 0

Pema Pera: Sorry to have to go

Wol Euler grins

Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye, Pema!

Fael Illyar: See you later Pema :)

Adams Rubble: bye Pema

Wol Euler: ah well, bye pema, enjoy being Being being.

Pema Pera: Yes, Corvi, good notation -- if I only knew what n was !

Pema Pera: hehe, bye for now!

Pema Pera: Can someone keep the log?

Wol Euler: sure

Pema Pera: I'll post mine later today, so you can add, or email me

Wol Euler: ok

Pema Pera: c u all!

Adams Rubble wonders why I don't have a number

Fael Illyar: number?

Adams Rubble: over my head

Wol Euler: yes you do

Fael Illyar: but you do?

Wol Euler: zoom out a bit, the number may be hidden in your title

Adams Rubble: Ah, it was off camera

Fael Illyar is too tired to think properly. She meant avatar -> typist -> b1 -> b2 -> b3 -> ...

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah

Wol Euler: I want to bring in something quite lovely that I read recently.

Wol Euler: http://koshtra.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html#1269196309651406205

Wol Euler: Dale's blog is badly organized, skip down to the section titled "Taking and sending"

Corvuscorva Nightfire bows...I'm sorry, I am called away.

Wol Euler: ah, sorry corvi. take care

Adams Rubble: bye Corvi

Fael Illyar: oh, that's an interesting blog entry

Wol Euler smiles. Isn't it just? I am thinking of adding a branch to the wiki for such related external items

Fael Illyar: yes, that'd be nice :)

Wol Euler: Dale is a marvellous man, an inspiration. His blog got me started on meditation, really.

Wol Euler: when he talks about "the laying on of hands", that is his new job. He quit the cubicle at A Certain Humungous Software Company (coughs) and opened a massage practice.

Wol Euler: literally laying on hands

Fael Illyar: :)

Wol Euler: reduced his income by a factor of at least six but he is so much happier.

Adams Rubble: :)

Fael Illyar: income is overrated :)

Wol Euler: heheh

Adams Rubble: yes

Fael Illyar: well, I'll log out now :) I've shown myself and that I'm back home safe :)

Adams Rubble: Good to see you fael and glad you are home safely :)

Wol Euler: bye fael, nice to see you

Fael Illyar: thank you :)

Fael Illyar waves.

Adams Rubble waves back

Wol Euler yawns quietly. My turn to have slept badly :)

Adams Rubble: :)

Wol Euler: well, its nearly 8 am so I declare the session ended.

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