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I arrived at the new pavilion early to set up a tv as I wanted to share a remarkable short video and then discuss it...But I could not get it working in time.

Wol Euler: hello solo, adams

Wol Euler: wow, that is a biiiiiig tv.

Solobill Laville: Ugh...

Adams Dubrovna: Hello Wol and Bill :)

Wol Euler: planning on watching someting later on?

Solobill Laville: Hi, you two!

Solobill Laville: I wanted to...but I think it is an "owner" permissions issue

Wol Euler: do you get an error mesage?

Solobill Laville: not this time...which made me try harder

Wol Euler: :)

Solobill Laville: thought i had a chance

Adams Dubrovna: ?

Solobill Laville: to play this video with this cool new player

Solobill Laville: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

Wol Euler: does it play parcel media or does it have its own source?

Solobill Laville: it is 20 minutes long, but pretty great

Wol Euler: a drum solo?

Solobill Laville: well, i don't know what parcel is, so I don't know....

Solobill Laville: uh, drum solo??

Wol Euler: (sorry, had an alcoholic dinner again. Will try to control myself...)

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Solobill Laville: ahhh, I doubt I can keep up with you then... :)

Wol Euler: well, what other kind of video could be 20 minutes long?

Solobill Laville: ah! got it now...hehe

Solobill Laville: the obligatory arena rock drum solo

Wol Euler: that's the one!

Solobill Laville: :)

Solobill Laville: I thought it would be interesting to watch the video then chat about it

Solobill Laville: oh, well

Solobill Laville: It is about a woman, a neuro-scientist

Solobill Laville: who actaully studies brain function and chemistry

Solobill Laville: but then has a stroke

Wol Euler: let's give it another try then. How do you tell the screen which video to play?

I hesitated at Wol's generous offer to use her technical savvy to solve this problem as I didn't want to get "mired down" in tech stuff, due I'm sure to user-error (me).

Solobill Laville: :)

Wol Euler: (actually it might be easier for us all just to watch separetely in a browser...)

Solobill Laville: ah, too true, if you're willing...and interested

Adams Dubrovna can't use sound here but could see you two another time

Solobill Laville: no, let's just talk then

Solobill Laville: !

Wol Euler: ok, we can discuss it another time.

Solobill Laville nods

Solobill Laville: Maybe we can have a spot where we could have some type of multimedia just always available

How about a multi-media room at the PaB library??

Solobill Laville: anyway :)

Adams Dubrovna: maybe storm could have the pond convertable into video

Wol Euler: !

Solobill Laville: hehe

Solobill Laville: that'd be cool

Solobill Laville: so, what's up, folks?

A long pause ensued...

Adams Dubrovna doesn't have much to talk about either :)

Solobill Laville: How are you feeling Adams?

Wol Euler: are you sleeping?

Adams Dubrovna: Pretty good. Thank you both for asking. I have have slept pretty well two of the last three nights. Maybe the ole body is settling down

Wol Euler: good!

Adams Dubrovna: Or it might just be tired

Adams Dubrovna: We'll see

Solobill Laville: :)

Adams Dubrovna: How are you two?

Solobill Laville: The body can surely drag down the rest of ya...

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Adams Dubrovna: I am finding that out

Solobill Laville: I'm ok. Weirdly fluctuating lately.

Wol Euler: oh?

Solobill Laville: It may be due to illness - family has strep.

Wol Euler: oh dear!

Adams Dubrovna: Oh, that's a drag

Solobill Laville: Amoxicillin to the rescue... :)

Wol Euler nods

Solobill Laville: But I have been a bit less patient than I usually am

Adams Dubrovna: Yes, that can happen as one gets stressed

The "School-Exchange-Germ Theory"

Adams Dubrovna: I had a friend who had a theory that each school has a number of illnesses and that everytime children change schools they bring home a whole new group of illnesses

Wol Euler: my mother the teacher would agree.

Adams Dubrovna: My experience would tend to confirm the theory

Solobill Laville: I can only imagine there must be trust in that, as the virus' change

Solobill Laville: (and bacteria)

Solobill Laville: *truth in that...sheesh

Wol Euler: an amusing typo :)

Solobill Laville: some are

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Wol Euler: perhaps a truthful typo, actually.

Wol Euler: maybe that is why we like our own group and distrust other groups?

Adams Dubrovna: haha

Wol Euler: I know your germs already, they won't hurt me.

Solobill Laville: hehe

Wol Euler: (going back 150,000 years...)

Adams Dubrovna: That is one of many things :)

Adams turned us in a new direction.

Adams Dubrovna: But there are good examples of mass deaths from meeting a new group

Solobill Laville: Uh, Native Americans come to mind

Wol Euler: when the Spanish introduced smallpox to the Carribbean for example

Solobill Laville: yup

Adams Dubrovna: and siphyllis

Wol Euler: ... though they claimed to have got that there :)

Adams Dubrovna: yes

Solobill Laville: Or the Flu pandemic of the early 20th century

Wol Euler: mmhmm, killed more people than WW1

Solobill Laville: yes, though perhaps less violently

Wol Euler: true. I've been reading about Passchendaele recently, because of November 11 (remembrance day)

Solobill Laville: What is Passchendaele?

Adams Dubrovna: ditto

Wol Euler: ah!

Wol Euler: WW1, one of the last major battles. The third battle of~~the Somme~~Ypres.

Wol Euler: end of 1917, start of 1918.

Wol Euler: at least half a million men died, about a quarter of whom simply disappeared. Blown to bits or drowned in the mud.

Solobill Laville shakes his head

Wol Euler: it was a significant event in my family because two of my grandmother's brothers died there.

Solobill Laville nods

Wol Euler: they were mourned at every family meeting.

Solobill Laville: English? German?

Adams Dubrovna: Some big scars

Wol Euler: English, my father is from London.

Solobill Laville nods

Wol Euler: now that you mention it, there is (compared to England and Canada) very little made of the war(s) here.

Adams Dubrovna: I can understand that

Solobill Laville: Probably a bit of culturally intentional ambiguity

Solobill Laville: (Adams said it better) :)

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Adams Dubrovna: Interestingly enough November 11 also is armistace day and is celebrated as Veteran's Day in US

Solobill Laville: yes

Wol Euler: yes, indeed. I'd forgotten that name. Do you wear poppies?

Adams Dubrovna: Hmmmm. They used to sell us cloth poppies when I was in school

Wol Euler smiles. Right.

Solobill Laville: I am not aware of that tradition

Wol Euler: oh!

Adams Dubrovna: Now Veteran's day is not a major celebration except for the veterans

Solobill Laville: That is true

Adams Dubrovna: Only state and federal workers get the day off

Adams Dubrovna: workers

Wol Euler: "In Flanders Fields the poppies grow/between the crosses, row on row"

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Flanders_Fields

Solobill Laville: I know that line

Wol Euler: yep, that is why we wear (wore) the poppy.

Solobill Laville nods

From WWI to Vietnam.

Adams Dubrovna: The Vietnam War changed attitudes in US

Wol Euler nods

Solobill Laville: Iraq isn't helping much

Adams Dubrovna: No

Solobill Laville: Though I can't speak from seeing the attitudes before Vietnam

Solobill Laville: (just a twinkle in the eye back then)

Solobill Laville: ;)

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: I was alive but not really conscious of self or the world for much of it.

Adams Dubrovna: World War II movies (and Westerns) dominated the culture

Solobill Laville: Right, very heroic, just cause, etc

Solobill Laville: oh, and Victorious endings

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Adams Dubrovna: yes, clear distinctions between good and bad guys

Wol Euler: which got pretty damned murky around the time of My Lai

Adams Dubrovna: yes

Wol Euler: that confused the hell out of me, actually.

Adams Dubrovna: before

Solobill Laville: DId you know that 40,000 Hmong lost their lives fighting for the US in Vietnam?

Wol Euler: I hope we said "thanks" before leaving.

Solobill Laville: I think we forgot

Solobill Laville: (thinks this a November 11th discussion)

Wol Euler: a few days late...

Solobill Laville: just a few days late :)

Solobill Laville: Wol!

Adams Dubrovna: The losses have been hidden from us

Wol Euler: snap

Solobill Laville: yes they have, Adams

Adams Dubrovna: no coffins, no burials

Wol Euler: and the little side wars too. Like the special ops squads inside Iran now.

Adams Dubrovna: Then there are the number of Iraqi dead

Wol Euler: or nixon bombing cambodia.

Adams Dubrovna: and the resulting mass murders

Adams Dubrovna wonders if he will sleep tonight

Oh no!

Solobill Laville: Rats

Wol Euler: oh dear. that wasn't the purpose...

Just then (at a perfect time to lighten the discussion) a newbie set to "run" waddled through the pavilion, the pool, and off into the Mieum sunset.

Solobill Laville: Wow, that was interesting - a runner

Adams Dubrovna wonders if anyone noticed the losing VP candidate trying to organize her party's governors into a new government

Wol Euler speaks firmly and with confidence: Barack Obama will end that.

Solobill Laville: ?

Wol Euler: oooh

Adams Dubrovna: The Florida press conference

Solobill Laville: I don't even know what that means

Adams Dubrovna: Palin had her first press conference in Florida with a large group of Republican governor's behind her and said that they would provide the leadership because those in Washington were too weak to lead

Solobill Laville: Uhhhhh

Solobill Laville: ok

Wol Euler: treason. Arrest them.

Wol Euler: let's not f*** about.

Wol Euler: (pardon my french)

Solobill Laville: :)

Adams Dubrovna picking himself up

Solobill Laville: I don't think Palin recalls how the Federal Government functions

Adams Dubrovna: recalls or learned?

Wol Euler: I very much doubt that she knows.

Adams Dubrovna: She knows her Machiavelli

Solobill Laville: Uh, State Governors have not much power

Wol Euler: eats it on toast every night.

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Solobill Laville: Just being nice :)

Solobill Laville wonders why

Adams Dubrovna: Bill?

Solobill Laville: yes?

Adams Dubrovna: haha. who is being nice?

Solobill Laville: oh, yes...good point...

Wol Euler: hehehehe

Solobill Laville: nice-ish

Solobill Laville: (not really)

Wol brought up the "Intentionality" piece from the wiki (http://playasbeing.wik.is/Guardians%27_Contributions/Solobill/The_Spirit_of_Intentionality).

Wol Euler: actually, solo, I was somewhat shocked by your questions about my intention in being at PaB (in the Intentionality page)

I briefly misunderstood Wol here.

Solobill Laville: I don't recall naming anyone, Ms. Euler...

Wol Euler: shocked as in "jerked into a new awareness"

Wol Euler: because I have no idea, truly not the faintest, what my intention in being here is.

Solobill Laville: Intentionality isn't associated with a goal

Solobill Laville: It can be, but not necessarily required, nor good

Solobill Laville: Oh, I get it, sorry....a bit foggy here (reading back)

Wol Euler: it did make me wonder, as Robert Plant said.

Wol Euler: I think I'm here for the chat, to be quite honest.

Solobill Laville: Does the chat affect the RL typist?

Wol Euler: oh yes, definitely.

Solobill Laville: And does that precipitate more chat?

Wol Euler: so why do I immediately start a reply with "but"? hmmmm

Solobill Laville: good question

Wol Euler: eeeeeeenterestingk.

Solobill Laville: yup

Solobill Laville: I didn't expect much feedback from that little essay

Solobill Laville: So, thanks!

We moved into a more personal direction at this point.

Wol Euler: I am sometimes quite painfully aware that I am one of the light-weight members of the group.

Wol Euler: I seldom have any thing to say about the actual practices.

Wol Euler: yw, thanks for making me think.

Solobill Laville: The practices are just a tool

Solobill Laville: And you add much to these talks

Adams Dubrovna: Wol, I don't think you are one of the light-weight members of the group

Solobill Laville was trying to figure out what that term might actually mean

Solobill Laville and can't come up with it

Wol Euler: it seems to me that I am always leading us off at tangents, putting in jokes and odd quotes.

Wol Euler: there is a difference in quality and quantity between Stim's contributions and mine, for instance.

I felt that I needed to reiterate...

Solobill Laville: The practices are just a tool

Wol Euler: true

Wol Euler: (to solo)

Solobill Laville: The outcomes and tastes and experiences are always of value to share

Solobill Laville: You have shared some of those with me

Solobill Laville: :)

Solobill Laville: That is VALUE

Solobill Laville: To all

Adams Dubrovna: yes!

Wol Euler smiles. thank you.

Solobill Laville: Adams, of course, has done that as well

Wol Euler: yes, both of you.

Wol Euler: well, I wonder what I meant then?

Solobill Laville: How so?

Wol Euler struggles to figure it out.

Adams succinctly explained the dynamic of these sessions.

Adams Dubrovna: There are times when someone has something important to share or relate and we all listen respectfully. There are other times when no one has anything they aprticularly want to relate and then conversation seems to get silly

Adams Dubrovna: I think they are two different times

Adams Dubrovna: You have made helpful comments to me when I have talked about my experiences

Adams Dubrovna: My experiences are directly related to some of the exercies

Adams Dubrovna: They add a great deal

Wol Euler smiles and nods. It was my pleasure, Adams; but _I_ was responding to you not to the exercises.

Adams Dubrovna: I know, I was giving a hint :)

Wol Euler: ah :)

Solobill Laville: hehe

Wol Euler: sorry, too much alcohol in the blood for hinting tonight.

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Solobill Laville: The hints need to be as strong as the brandy

Wol Euler: yes!

Adams Dubrovna: the exercises won't hurt you :)

Adams Dubrovna: :)

Wol Euler: it's odd, I feel that I have overcome much of my early doubt and resistance, but I still don't do them well or often.

Solobill Laville: Then do something else. just do :)

Adams Dubrovna: Doing them well is not necessary as you will see in my blog

Wol Euler nods at Solo.

Adams Dubrovna: I haven't made any sense of the APAPB exercise but when it do it I get results

Wol Euler nods at Adams too.

Adams Dubrovna: even though I do it terribly

Wol Euler: well, thank you both for that. Maybe I'll see this differently in a few weeks, I am in a pretty grey state at the moment anyway. Even allowing for the schnapps

And Wol was two steps ahead of us...

Adams Dubrovna: But puleeeese don't stop coming :)

Wol Euler: oh no!

Wol Euler: I shall just continue to have a vague guilty conscience as I do.

Wol Euler: and I shall definitely continue to shout

Wol Euler: onigokko

Off she went!

Solobill Laville: There she goes again :)

Adams Dubrovna: That should mix up the liquor :)

Wol Euler: stop

Solobill Laville: and here I am unprepared again

Wol Euler: awwwww

Wol Euler: it's funny how strong the emotional effect of SL is ...

Adams Dubrovna: yes

Solobill Laville: But SL is just the "thingy"

Wol Euler: true, it is US not SL

Solobill Laville: the emotional effect is the interplay between people

Wol Euler: but I have tried plain-text chat before, it didn't have anywhere near this strong an effect.

Solobill Laville: the outcome of the interplay

Solobill Laville: That's cause you can see us, silly

Solobill Laville: :)

Wol Euler: true.

Adams Dubrovna: We can let parts of our personality loose in our avatars

Solobill Laville: And we change...

Wol Euler: and it's odd that I do see "neela" whether I am looking at a horse or a woman

I started to reminisce a bit about when I had first met Adams and Wol.

Solobill Laville: You are both very different from when I met you ;)

Adams Dubrovna: a horse now?

Wol Euler: pegasus, this morning

Adams Dubrovna: ah

Wol Euler: ah, solo. interesting.

Adams Dubrovna: Yes, interesting

Solobill Laville: eeenterestingk

Wol Euler: well, adams _is_ new of course!

Adams Dubrovna: a new Adams

Wol Euler: that too, solo :)

Solobill Laville: I remember meeting Adams the first time....

Adams Dubrovna: Oh?

Solobill Laville: uh huh

Adams Dubrovna: Trying to remember back.....

Solobill Laville: You were with Delani (who I was meeting for the first time) at the Tea House

Adams Dubrovna: I remember you talking about a retreat once

Solobill Laville: you were sitting silently on the porch

Adams Dubrovna: Maybe my first session

Solobill Laville: maybe

Solobill Laville: She was your caretaker, as I recall, that day

Solobill Laville: :)

Wol Euler: :)

Adams Dubrovna: hmmm

Solobill Laville: As in, she introduced you

Solobill Laville: And brought you, (I think I recall that correctly)

Adams Dubrovna: ah, that may have been my second session. Delani was at each

Adams Dubrovna: No I brought myselfSolobill Laville nods

Solobill Laville: And for Wol...hmmmm

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow

Solobill Laville: Again PaB

Solobill Laville: Either we had both been in attendance once or twice

Solobill Laville: Or it was at the session where we ended talking about architecture

Wol Euler smiles as she remembers.

Wol Euler: I think you met my alt first, actually. I also remember feeling vaguely uneasy when Wol met you after that, as though I was being somehow underhanded.

Solobill Laville: Yes, but didn't know that until MUCH later ;)

Adams Dubrovna had one of those sessions where he felt underhanded

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: and I wondered whether I should have introduced myself more completely :)

Wol Euler: but it has always been my typist's habit to keep the alts separate.

Solobill Laville: I recall putting it together... ;)

Solobill Laville: (For Adams that is)

Adams Dubrovna: Ah

Solobill Laville: It is all just SL... :)

Adams Dubrovna: When I started it took me a long time to figure out who was who, there seemed to be so many people

Adams Dubrovna: to sort out

Wol Euler: well like joining any group, really :) RL is like that for me too

Adams Dubrovna: yes, of course

Adams Dubrovna: but it was important part of my experience here

Solobill Laville: Pretty amazing stuff :)

We say our goodbyes.

Adams Dubrovna: Been good talking to you

Solobill Laville: Good luck with the project, Adams

Adams Dubrovna: thanks, it is going well right now

Wol Euler: take care, adams, hope to see you on the weekend. But not too early!

Solobill Laville: Excellent

Adams Dubrovna: I'll be around over the weekend :)

Wol Euler smiles

Adams Dubrovna: bye then :)

Wol Euler: goodnight adams.

Solobill Laville: See you Adams

Adams Dubrovna: good night all :)

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What amazing talk... thank you for the video link Solo ^^