Page last modified 17:13, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian and commenter for this session, filling in for Lia Rikugun.*

Bertram Jacobus: hello adelene :-)

Bertram Jacobus: hello nyx ... :-)

Adelene Dawner: hui :)

Adelene Dawner: hi

Bertram Jacobus: hello wol ... :-)

Adelene Dawner: Hi Wol ^.^

Wol Euler: hello ade, nyx, bertram

Bertram Jacobus: ade ? :-)

Wol Euler: nyx, come and join us :)

I sat beside Ade, then moved to a differently coloured cushion, and she followed me.

Adelene Dawner snickers at Wol. "I *will* chase you around this circle, silly."

Wol Euler: Udge told me you might be coming by :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: how do i sit?

Wol Euler: heheheh, I just don't like that pose, Ade.

Nyx SpiritWeaver blushes

Wol Euler: right-click on a cushion and select "sit"

Wol Euler: there :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ahh ty

Bertram Jacobus: already done nyx ... :-)

Wol Euler: there are two poses, if you leftclick the cusion it will change pose

Nymf Hathaway: Hello everyone

Wol Euler: hello nymf

Bertram Jacobus: and hi nymf :-)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: hello nymf

Wol Euler: how is everyone this evening?

Nymf Hathaway: Lovely avatar Adelene :)

Adelene Dawner: Thanks, Nymf ^.^

Bertram Jacobus: ty i'm fine - it's weekend ! :-)

Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Bertam :) weekend :)

--BELL--

Adelene Dawner: I'm good - I just found the blog of a woman who was daignosed with Asperger's at age 50, and enjoying reading that. :)

Wol Euler: wow

Adelene Dawner: http://www.aspergerjourneys.com/

Nymf Hathaway: interesting

Nymf Hathaway: looking and reading

Bertram Jacobus: strange : the bell rang without any text (?) ...

Wol Euler: hmmmmmm

Wol Euler: well, nothing we can do until Storm surfaces again

"Works as designed" actually: we had started early. The very first bell, at the top of the hour, is intentionally silent.

Adelene Dawner: I'm actually reading it in chronological order rather than the blog standard reverse order, so if you're reading in the normal way - I haven't gotten there yet.

Nymf Hathaway: Bookmarked it... much too long, but interesting for sure

Adelene Dawner: :)

Wol Euler: I wonder how she came to be diagnosed so late in life?

Wol Euler: (yes, I know I could read it ...)

Adelene Dawner: heh

Adelene Dawner: Well, like most of us who figured it out as adults, she'd always known she was different, and recognized herself in the description.

Adelene Dawner: I'm actually interested in reading it as the perspective of someone who was raised as normal - a huge amount of how weird I am is that I was told, over and over and over again growing up, that I wasn't normal and shouldn't expect to be.

Wol Euler: that is interesting.

Wol Euler: and something of a self-fullfilling prophecy

Adelene Dawner: I'm not complaining, though :)

Adelene Dawner: From what I have read, there's a definite upside to knowing from the get-go that 'normal' isn't going to work for you. It's the stigma that comes with that that's the problem.

Adelene Dawner: But acting weird without a diagnosis can be very stigmatizing, too.

Wol Euler nods

Nymf Hathaway: Yes humans judge so easily on a very negative way

Bertram Jacobus: it's not easy to think and act always in a positive way

Nymf Hathaway: How come?

Adelene Dawner: (For those who don't know: I was diagnosed ADD at age 5. I'm almost certainly autistic, but have chosen not to go for a diagnosis because I've had such bad experiences with the psychiatric system and don't want to have anything more to do with them.)

Bertram Jacobus: i don't know yet for sake nymf ...

Wol Euler: hello fefonz

Nymf Hathaway: Hi Fefonz :)

Adelene Dawner: Part of it with judging is that society in general is set up to work in a certain kind of way, and only to make certain kinds of accommodations, and values certain things over others in a real, functional sense. Anyone who's different will tend to stress that system.

Fefonz Quan: Hi Wol, Ade, Bert, Nymf, Nyx

Adelene Dawner: Hiya Fef :)

Bertram Jacobus: some explanations say we would live in a good age, but it would be in the phase of downfall

Bertram Jacobus: hi fefonz ! :-)

Wol Euler: and little kids are very much herd animals. To be different is to be WRONG, no matter what shape your difference takes

Adelene Dawner nods.

Adelene Dawner: I wish more people grew out of that phase :)

Nymf Hathaway: Agrees with Wol but there is a task for parents

Wol Euler: yeah, true

Nyx SpiritWeaver nods, ye sthat would be ideal

Wol Euler: well, most do grow out of it, eventually :)

Fefonz Quan: Though i would say that today's (urban at least) society is much more individualistic than old times

Adelene Dawner: I'd argue that. Most people are socialized to be accepting of certain kinds of differences. That's not the same as not being judgemental at all.

Wol Euler: agreed.

Wol Euler: there is a difference between tolerating and accepting

Fefonz Quan: not sure there is a way of being non-judgmental at all. we are talking relatives here i guess

Adelene Dawner: That, too, Wol.

--BELL--

Adelene Dawner: ...brb, I just heard someone scream outside...

Nyx SpiritWeaver: unfortunatly judgement is part of human nature, even when you try not to be inevitably yo do

Fefonz Quan nods

Nymf Hathaway: agrees with that Nyx but it often is negative before even having looked at the facts

Nyx SpiritWeaver: indeed

Fefonz Quan: (we try to kepp the 90-sec quite :)

Wol Euler: (but we often fail :)

Fefonz Quan: sure :)

Adelene Dawner is back, wondering if she's hearing things... o.O

I try to inject a note of seriousness and high purpose.

Wol Euler: nyx, the 90 second bell is a development out of the group's main meditation practice

Fefonz Quan: Hey Shyama

Nymf Hathaway: Hello Shyama :)

Wol Euler: as described on the website, and in that notecard

Wol Euler: hello shyama

Bertram Jacobus: i think, to judge is not wrong, but to condemn can be problematic ...

Wol Euler: we do frequent mini-meditations, described as a "1% time tax", nine seconds every quarter hour

Bertram Jacobus: hello shyama

Nymf Hathaway: to exclude you mean, Bertram?

Nyx SpiritWeaver grins, i was having trouble watching he conersaition at the same ime sowas gong to ead it after

Wol Euler: during these meeetings that gets extended to 90 seconds

Wol Euler: ah, there is a solution to that!

Wol Euler: click on the button "local chat" at the bottom left

Bertram Jacobus: yes nymf ! :-)

Wol Euler: that opens a scrollable window which has everything said near you since you logged in.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: oh lovely thank you one again

Wol Euler: :)

Fefonz Quan: Hey Adams

Bertram Jacobus: hello adams ... :-)

Nymf Hathaway: Hello Adams :)

Wol Euler: adams, what a nice surprise

Nyx SpiritWeaver: so much to learn, smiles

Wol Euler: yeah, but the learning is fun too

Nyx SpiritWeaver: oh aways

Nyx SpiritWeaver: always

Adams Rubble: wow. Ooodles of people here. Hello everyone :)

Bertram Jacobus: how did you come to this place nyx ? :-)

Shyama Sheryffe: hi adams

Fefonz Quan: as long as not Noodles :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: it was recomended to me by a friend

Adams Rubble: :)

Bertram Jacobus: great nyx :-)

Wol Euler: Nyx is brand new, she met a friend of mine at her hatching place :)

Fefonz Quan: Wol, your PR never fails :)

Nymf Hathaway: Than you have been lucky on your first day Nyx :)

Adams Rubble: welcome to Second Life Nyx

Nyx SpiritWeaver: thankyou

Fefonz recalls us to order.

Fefonz Quan: we were talking about judgements and can/should it be avoided

Fefonz Quan: at least we see that discussion about it surely can :)

Nymf Hathaway: Smiles at Fefonz... wonderful try

Shyama Sheryffe: well i think u should use ur intellignece to evaluate things

Fefonz Quan nods

Shyama Sheryffe: judgement is perhaps a bit differetn

Fefonz Quan: yes there is a fine line there

Adams Rubble: we have to ask WHO is judging

Fefonz Quan: the judge!

Wol Euler: and why they do it.

Shyama Sheryffe: and how

Adams Rubble: but if it is US, WHO of us?

Bertram Jacobus: already jesus , one says , had said, it would be good to seperate the wheat from the shuff. doesn't that include a judgement already ?

Adams Rubble: what does that say about us

Wol Euler: which aspect of us, Adams?

Shyama Sheryffe: i think that is evaluation

Adams Rubble: yes Wol

Fefonz Quan: yes you wouldn't want the shuff in your muffin Bert

Shyama Sheryffe: judgement means somekind of condemning

Wol Euler nods to Shyama. Yes, there is a difference

Shyama Sheryffe: that u r bad

Wol Euler: not judging doesn't mean becoming blind

Shyama Sheryffe: and i am better

Adams Rubble: sometimes

Wol Euler: it does mean not becoming angry, or arrogant and proud

Fefonz Quan: (or the other way around Shyama. people do both)

Shyama Sheryffe: nods

Bertram Jacobus: muffins without shuff - yes, that's nice ... ;o)

Fefonz Quan: yes, there is some emotional layer put upon the evaluation that starts the whole mess

Wol Euler: right

--BELL--

Shyama Sheryffe: perhaps a feeling of separation on emotinal level...

Adams Rubble: deciding not to touch the hot stove is a judgement

Fefonz Quan: i am not sure adams. declaring the hot stove as 'inherently bad thing' is a judgment

Wol Euler shakes her head. Let's be careful with the vocabulary.

Wol Euler: it's a decision, based perhaps on a judgement we once made, like "Damn, burned fingertips are not good"

Bertram Jacobus: could you explain, why you think that adams ?

Observation is not the same as judgement.

Adelene Dawner: 'The stove is hot' is an observation. 'The stove is too hot' is a judgement.

Shyama Sheryffe: i think that all is healthy evaluation of facts

Wol Euler nods to ade

Fefonz Quan: i think there can be also quantitive observation (too hot) without the judgment put in

Adams Rubble agrees with Ade

Shyama Sheryffe: i dont want to burn my finger

Nymf Hathaway: was looking at an interview on tv about a woman with polio... she is extremely lonely due to her polio.... she gets judged every day

Bertram Jacobus: i couldn't express that so fast fef ... :-)

Fefonz Quan: hope it wasn't too fast Bert :)

Adelene Dawner: Perhaps not all judgements are bad? 'The stove is too hot to touch' has a very different effect than 'this person is too ugly to be friends with'.

Bertram Jacobus: no. i find it great ! :-)

Wol Euler nods again

Fefonz Quan: i agree Ade, so maybe we need to refine the definition of the word here

Shyama Sheryffe: is judgement comparing me with another persn ?

Fefonz Quan: sure (for my opinion)

Wol Euler: judgement is assigning a value to a comparison.

Adelene Dawner: It doesn't have to be with another person. It can be with a standard, or an ideal.

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Nyx SpiritWeaver: it might depend on how you were compared

Fefonz Quan: yes, that increases even the posibbility it you will loose the competition Ade :)

Adelene Dawner: I like that definition, Wol.

Shyama Sheryffe: comparing in a way that makes u feel proud or sad

Fefonz Quan: i would also say emotional value, not only scientific value

Adelene Dawner: Regarding ideals: Most people don't judge others by ideal standards, but they do judge themselves by ideal standards in one way or another.

Wol Euler: yes, the emotional weight is the key.

Adams Rubble: It is problemmatic when we judge a person and not behavior

Shyama Sheryffe: behaviour we eavluate, person we judge ?

Wol Euler: ideally :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: when i meditate i start by describing something in my mind, without using anything that would be an opinion, so if someone was compairing you to another person objectively then i would say that it wasnt a judgement, that is what i was meaning, i think

Adelene Dawner: Even judging behavior isn't risk-free.

Wol Euler: yes, nyx.

Fefonz Quan: agree with Nyx

Adams Rubble: no Adelene but we often need to do it

Adelene Dawner: Need, why?

Adams Rubble: I don't know

Adams Rubble: I really don;t get into these ethical discussions

Bertram Jacobus: but societies find rules what is good and what is bad

Wol Euler: well, we could bring it back to PaB by saying that observation or evaluation try to see what is

Wol Euler: by dropping judgement

What to judge?

Adelene Dawner: Also... I've found it much more useful, when I do need to judge for some reason, to judge based on views and values rather than specific behaviors. Most actions aren't universally okay in all situations - a person's views and values are what determines how they act in what situations.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i agree

Fefonz Quan: i find that on the practical level, looking at myself and see what 'mind' arises when i give the judgement

Nymf Hathaway: agrees with Adelene

Fefonz Quan: is a way to see if this is 'wrong' judement or just evaluation

Adelene Dawner nods at Fef.

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Fefonz Quan: if it makes me angry/proud/agressive etc. ... well, then i know

Fefonz Quan: So in a way judgement is when the ego-oriented filters are fully on

Shyama Sheryffe: evaluation is with love perhaps and judgement is the opposite

Bertram Jacobus: i'm "a bit" tired today, so i leave already - ty all for the talk and have a good time further on please ! - and may all beings be happy ...

--BELL--

Nymf Hathaway: Judgement has a negative bite

Fefonz Quan: (BYe bert)

Wol Euler: bye bert, ah too late

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone

Wol Euler: hello yak

Nymf Hathaway: Hello Yakuzza :)

Fefonz Quan: Hey Yaku

Shyama Sheryffe: hi yaakuzza

Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)

Adams Rubble: I mst run. bye everyone :)

Wol Euler: bye adams, take care.

Shyama Sheryffe: bye adams

Nyx SpiritWeaver: good bye, lovely to meet you

Nymf Hathaway: sorry to have missed Adams :(

Wol Euler: she always leaves very quickly

Fefonz Quan: yes, i would say that you shouldn't judge yourself here, there are two pparties on teh leaving/greeting procedure

Fefonz Quan: :)

Nymf Hathaway: hahahha

Wol Euler: :)

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Fefonz Quan: (and that it true for RL too)

Wol Euler: mmhmm

As if that were a signal, the traditional Friday night silliness begins.

Fefonz Quan: somehow we came to a position where i am the one violating the symmetry here, but i have nothing to do about it...

Wol Euler nods. I can fix it.

Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha sorry

Wol Euler: ah, not any more.

Nymf Hathaway: too fast

Wol Euler: there.

Nymf Hathaway: Nice :)

Fefonz Quan: cool :)

Wol Euler: this is something we do sometimes, nyx :)

Wol Euler: one of my hobbyhorses is room dynamics, why people sit where tehy do

Fefonz Quan: (and not the most silly one of them :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: chuckles

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok so what would you like me to do

Wol Euler: ah :)

Fefonz Quan: just be yourself, hoho

Shyama Sheryffe: room dynamics..is it like feng shui ?

Wol Euler: I want you to wear the thing I am about to give you :))))))

Nyx SpiritWeaver smiles, i am always myself, no matter if its the right thing or not

Adelene Dawner laughs at Wol - I was juuuust thinking that :D

Nymf Hathaway: smiles at Wol

Fefonz Quan: great! so no worries :)

Wol Euler: open your inventory, right-click on that and select "wear"

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok just right click it and wear

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok gotcha

Nyx SpiritWeaver: dones

Wol Euler: it's invisible and hrmless, you won't see or feel a thing

Wol Euler: until someone says the magic word

Adelene Dawner: /o onigokko

Wol Euler: onigokko

Nyx SpiritWeaver laughs

Wol Euler laughs

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Nyx SpiritWeaver: love the music

Wol Euler: if you get dizzy, hold the alt key and click-and-hold on the ground

Nyx SpiritWeaver: how does it do this

Wol Euler: that fixes your camera still.

Wol Euler: stop

Wol Euler: hheheh

Adelene Dawner: :D

Wol Euler: the wonders of scripting and animations :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: oh my sounds technical

Nyx SpiritWeaver chuckles

Wol Euler: all you need to know is that it works :)

Wol Euler: it's a black box.

Nyx SpiritWeaver grins and laughs a bit

Wol Euler: anyone can start it by saying the magic word

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i still hear the music, but he wer no longer moving

Adelene Dawner: .....

Adelene Dawner: onigokko

Wol Euler: :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver laughs

Nyx SpiritWeaver throws her hands in the air and shouts, "WEEEEE!!!"

Wol Euler: do you have one, shyama?

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko

Wol Euler: yay

Shyama Sheryffe: yes..lol

Shyama Sheryffe: this is fun

Wol Euler laughs

Wol Euler: so gloriously silly

Adelene Dawner: hehehehehehehehe

Yakuzza Lethecus: stop

Nyx SpiritWeaver: need to have a dose or two of silly everyday

Wol Euler: oh yes.

Fefonz Quan: I like the way Wol's and Ade's hair flies when they run :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: throw in something new, and a few odd happenings, and i say its a great day

Wol Euler: a silly a day keeps the dull away.

Shyama Sheryffe: now we can be serious again..laugh

Wol Euler: you've had a proper welcome to SL now, Nyx :)

--BELL--

Nyx SpiritWeaver grins, "thank you, it has been interesting so far."

Wol Euler: :)

Nymf Hathaway: I have a nice animation... you may already have it... but if not... let me know

Shyama Sheryffe: beautiful

Nyx SpiritWeaver: oh my, does that make you dizzy

Wol Euler smiles

Nyx SpiritWeaver: quite graceful

Nymf Hathaway: Its lovely at night time high in the sky :)

Fefonz Quan: nice, Nymf!

Nyx SpiritWeaver smiles

Nyx SpiritWeaver: this place is lovely

Wol Euler: we try :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: you succeed

Wol Euler: it was built by Storm Nordwind, a fine SL builder

Wol Euler: and one of us, when he isn't incommunicado in a RL retreat for two weeks

Nyx SpiritWeaver chuckles

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i am going to asume that rl is real life?

Fefonz Quan: yes, those RL activities just take so much of your useful time!

Wol Euler: a wonderful story, he met the love of his life in SL, and is moving to the US to marry her next month.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: oh that is wonderful

Nyx SpiritWeaver: congratulations

Wol Euler: yeah, really.

Wol Euler: and yes, RL = real life; also sometimes called FL = first life

Nyx SpiritWeaver: makes sense

Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i attend genesis event

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am curious

Wol Euler: yes, I just saw the note

Nymf Hathaway: Have a good time Yakuzza :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone, cye later or there

Fefonz Quan: have fun Yaku!

Wol Euler: enjoy!

Shyama Sheryffe: bye yakuzza

Back to the symmetry games (musical chairs).

Wol Euler: there :)

Wol Euler: symmetrical again

Wol Euler: ack.

Wol Euler throws a pillow at Fef

Nymf Hathaway: hahhaha

Fefonz Quan: this is symetrical, circular

Wol Euler: ah yes, it is now

Nymf Hathaway: Nice Adelene

Fefonz Quan: (or was)

Adelene Dawner: hehehehe

Shyama Sheryffe: all i changing..

Shyama Sheryffe: lol

Wol Euler: oh, you're right, it was rotationally symmetrical before.

Wol Euler: yes!

Wol Euler: well done fef.

Fefonz Quan: circular again

Wol Euler: a different kind of silliness :)

Fefonz Quan: (rotational is more accurate)

Fefonz Quan: and now aritmetic series gaps

Adelene Dawner chuckles.

Wol Euler: :)

Nymf Hathaway: oooooh nice Fefonz

Wol Euler: what a buncha geeks <3 <3 <3

Adelene Dawner giggles.

Nymf Hathaway: keeps quiet :)

Fefonz Quan: yes, NL here ;-)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i have to do soemthing for a minute, be right back

Wol Euler: ok hb

Fefonz Quan: shifting positions, me going to do a big shift in RL in a few weeks

Wol Euler: mmhmm, that's right.

Nymf Hathaway: Moving?

Fefonz Quan: yes, 7 time zones to teh est

Nymf Hathaway: wow

Wol Euler grins

Fefonz Quan: the east

Nymf Hathaway: from ... to?

Nymf Hathaway: if I may ask

--BELL--

Fefonz Quan: from the US east coast to the mediteranean shores

Nymf Hathaway: SPOILED!!!!!!!

Nymf Hathaway: Great Fefonz

Fefonz Quan: why?

Wol Euler: :)

Nymf Hathaway: Sounds like a nice adventure

Fefonz Quan: well, in a sense US was the adventure :)))

Nymf Hathaway: really...aha didn't know that

Fefonz Quan: unlesss we define my whole life as an adventure, and i won't oppose that

Wol Euler: heheheh

Fefonz Quan: :)

Identity and place.

Fefonz Quan: i was thinking about those big changes in teh context of what we do here

Wol Euler: mmmm?

Fefonz Quan: leaving big chunks of identityies in places where we spent a lot of timee

Fefonz Quan: it is not easy many times

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: though it goes both ways, I find I take some of where I was to add to my identity

Fefonz Quan nods too. Yet memories of a place and being there is very different

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Fefonz Quan: and the process of letting it go, is interesting and challenging

Fefonz Quan: good practice of impermanence and attachement

Wol Euler: you let go, but you can also keep.

Wol Euler: you have the memories and the change in yourself from what happened that year, but you let go of the sadness (a judgement!)

Fefonz Quan: yes, exactly. Or maybe, when sadness arise, letting it be till it dissolves itself without fighting it.

Wol Euler nods

Fefonz Quan: in a funny time-circular way, i find myself already missing the places where i still am!

Adelene Dawner: I get that. I remember when I moved from NJ - a few days before I left, I realized (because there were some changes in the schedule) that I wasn't going to be going to the grocery store I used there, perhaps ever again, even though I'd planned to... it was sad, but kind of funny, too.

Fefonz Quan nods

Wol Euler nods and grins at fef

Fefonz Quan: Yet i am also pleased with such feelings, because tehy are signs for me that i had good and meaningful times here

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Shyama Sheryffe: sry i must leave u, ty all for the nice discussion today, bye..

Fefonz Quan: Bye Shyama

Wol Euler: bye shyama, take care.

Adelene Dawner: cya, Shyama.

Nymf Hathaway: Have a good time Shyama

Nyx SpiritWeaver: good bye hun

Adelene Dawner: I think I'm going to head out too - someone I've been trying to catch online just came on.

Fefonz Quan: nice Nymf

Nymf Hathaway: Have a good time Adelene

Wol Euler: ok, goodnight ade, take care.

Fefonz Quan: Bye Ade, good to see you!

Nyx SpiritWeaver: have a nice day

--BELL--

Fefonz Quan: (i have created a monster - or was that you Wol?)

Wol Euler: heheheheheh

Wol Euler: I think we reinforced each other's geekitude.

Nymf Hathaway: is thinking both are to blame :) heheh

Fefonz Quan: ok, breaking symmetry from now on!

Wol Euler: oh noez!

Nymf Hathaway: :)))

Nymf Hathaway: hmmm doesn't feel right Fefonz

What is there to do in SL?

Nyx SpiritWeaver: so what is there to do in second life

Wol Euler: a lot of it is what we are doing, sitting and talking :)

Fefonz Quan: I woudn't know :)

Wol Euler: but you can build, sculpt, paint

Wol Euler: listen to live music or live theater

Wol Euler: attend religious services

Nymf Hathaway: Going to seminars, real life music events

Wol Euler: play shoot-em-up games with monsters

Nymf Hathaway: hahhahaha Wol

Fefonz Quan: (how do you listen to live music?)

Nyx SpiritWeaver laughs, amazing, so much to do

Wol Euler: if yo have the talent, build stuff and make a store

Wol Euler: I know five designers who have closed their RL offices, they earn their RL living in SL

Nyx SpiritWeaver: how do you build stuff

Wol Euler: that takes a lot of talent and hard work and luck, though

Nymf Hathaway: You have a search button down below in your screen Nyx.... look at the events

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok

Wol Euler: just building is really easy, making it look good is awfully hard :)

Wol Euler: I can give you a few landmarks to places that have tutorials about building

Nyx SpiritWeaver: laughs, i bet

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok that would me interesting

Wol Euler: the Ivory Tower is the place to start

Wol Euler: a huge and excellently organized tutorial

Nyx SpiritWeaver: thank you

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i shall return again

Wol Euler: um, take a landmark so that you can find us.

Wol Euler: in the World menu, select "create landmark here"

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ok

Nymf Hathaway: Wishing you a friendly discovery of sl Nyx, have fun

Wol Euler: we meet at 1am 7am 1pm 7pm

Fefonz Quan: and we are here every 6 hours :)

Wol Euler: for certain values of "we"

Nyx SpiritWeaver chuckles, ok i shalle return

Fefonz Quan: (SLT times, just in case it wsn't clear)

Wol Euler: oh yes, an important point.

Wol Euler: [14:33] Fefonz Quan: (how do you listen to live music?)

Wol Euler: usually it's streamed into the sim, you turn on streaming audio in your preferences and then you can hear what the performer is singign/playing

Nyx SpiritWeaver: slt times?

Wol Euler: SL time

Wol Euler: not RL timezones

Fefonz Quan: Thanks Wol!

Wol Euler: yw

Nyx SpiritWeaver: is that the time at the top that is two hours behind mine

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: and that puts you on the Mississippi :)

Wol Euler: or in spitting distance of it

Nyx SpiritWeaver: missouri

Wol Euler: right :)

Wol Euler: Germany here, it's coming up to midnight

Nymf Hathaway: Netherlands here

Nyx SpiritWeaver: wow, so many places

Wol Euler: that is one of the joys of SL, meeting so many people that one could never get to know in RL

Nyx SpiritWeaver: indeed, amazing

Nymf Hathaway: agrees fully

Wol Euler: and the wonderful thing is that they are all people like us :)

Wol Euler: unlike chance aquaintances in airports etc

Wol Euler: SL is a social concentrator

Fefonz Quan: like us --> 2-D's ? ;-)

Wol Euler: well "like us" means many things. But the biggest thing it means is: we have computers, spare time, and we would rather spend our time talking (reading and writing) than watching TV

Wol Euler: that makes us very unusual :)

Fefonz Quan: yes, that is a nice definition.

Fefonz Quan: just thought that 'like us' once could meant just people that can handle a computer, but that is nt relevant anymore

Fefonz Quan: infact i believe only the last line in your definition gives some real data

Wol Euler nods

--BELL--

Wol Euler: most poeple in the westernized world have computers and spare time, yes.

Fefonz Quan nods

Fefonz Quan: Bye Nymf, have a good weekend

Nymf Hathaway: will pop over to Pila's before logging off...wishing everyone a good time and thanks for the thoughts

Wol Euler: goodnight nymf, sleep well.

Wol Euler: thanks for the conversation

Nymf Hathaway: Thanks Fefonz...wishing you the same

Fefonz Quan: say hi to Piila

Nymf Hathaway: Good night Wol :)

Nymf Hathaway: I will

Musical geekery, just for a change.

Wol Euler: Nyx, our mutual friend was asked on the hatching area, what kind of game SL is.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: indeed?

Wol Euler: what he should have said was "it's not a game, it is a community."

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ah, sounds apt from what i have seen here

Wol Euler: at least the way we use it, it is :)

Fefonz Quan: so we are communists? ;-)

Wol Euler: yep

Nyx SpiritWeaver: sounds like a good way to do it

Wol Euler: we'll wave the red primflag for ever

Nyx SpiritWeaver: red prim flag

Nyx SpiritWeaver: ?

Fefonz Quan: where all is one, and one is all

Wol Euler: oh damn, I can't think of the next line.

Wol Euler: "to be a rock and not to roll?"

Fefonz Quan: YEAH!

Nyx SpiritWeaver: laughs

Wol Euler: heheheheheheh

Wol Euler: oh I am so pleased

Fefonz Quan: me too

Nyx SpiritWeaver: with?

Wol Euler: fef and I are music geeks as well as symmetry geeks

Wol Euler: we quote lyrics at each other

Wol Euler: like Stairway to Heaven

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i love music, but maybe not the same

Nyx SpiritWeaver: i listen to a bit of everything

Fefonz Quan: as long as you like that beat :)

Wol Euler: mmhmm :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver: deffinatly

Fefonz Quan: will need to go, it was a pleasure

Wol Euler: goodnight fef, take care.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: indeed fefonz, good to meet you

Fefonz Quan: nite Wol, and welcome Nyx :)

Wol Euler: actually, it's nearly midnight, I must go too. Work tomorrow :(

Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

Wol Euler: nyx, it was a delight to meet you. I hope our paths will cross again soon

Nyx SpiritWeaver: you as well, i have had a most excellent time

Nyx SpiritWeaver: have good sleeping

Wol Euler: I'm pleased :)

Wol Euler: thank you, goodnight and take care.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: goodnight

Wol Euler: let me give you one last landmark

Nyx SpiritWeaver: alright

Wol Euler: that's a bit of land I own, it has a place to sit. Feel free to use it

Nyx SpiritWeaver: thank you so much

Wol Euler: not very comfy yet, I just bought it.

Nyx SpiritWeaver: grins

Wol Euler: I just remembered how odd it felt when I was new and didn't hve anywhere to go, didn't know any place to sit and be still comfortably :)

Wol Euler: bye for now, nyx.

Nyx SpiritWeaver smiles, you are very kind, i think that i would have been lost without you

Nyx SpiritWeaver: good bye

Wol Euler: awwwww :)

Wol Euler: you would have figured it out, we just helped you along. You're going to be OK :)

Nyx SpiritWeaver grins, thank you

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