2009.08.19 01:00 - The Creator

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Tarmel Udimo. The comments are by Tarmel Udimo. I was alone for the first hour and was just about to leave when Archmage Atlantis showed up. We had a great 'double' conversation about many things as happens sometime in chat.

    Tarmel Udimo: Hi ARch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Tarmel......Late as usual......must have missed the entire session
    Tarmel Udimo: well no, the session was solo Tarmel  sitting in SL and me watching Battle Star Galactica in RL:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh my, well good meditation opportunity, I suppose

    ( i have a big enough monitor that I can do both... and BSG turned out to be appropriate as we ended up talking about the Creator which is one of the main themes in BSG)

    Archmage Atlantis: You about to leave?
    Archmage Atlantis: Because I would ask about the "wee water dragon" notation in your profile
    Tarmel Udimo: I can stay and chat:) Do you have a topic?
    Archmage Atlantis: Just plain nosiness
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh well that's me in chinese astrology
    Tarmel Udimo: and being nosey, you prayer is pretty full on!
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I'm not sure what "full on" means in that sentence, but it is a personal insight into myself I chose to share, not an attempt to convince others of anything
    Archmage Atlantis: It is adapted from an ancient Hebrew prayer said annually in the New Year's observance
    Tarmel Udimo: ok
    Tarmel Udimo: BYB
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, me 2
    Tarmel Udimo: back
    Archmage Atlantis: me also
    Tarmel Udimo: you are a member of a lot of interesting groups
    Archmage Atlantis: I'm still not completely satisfied with the salutation......The original opens Our God, Our Father.....Our Lord doesn’t carry the correct match to how I see the essence of "Our Father"
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, thanks......I’ve enjoyed them
    Archmage Atlantis: Do you know ThreeDee Shepard?
    Tarmel Udimo: and how do you see the essence of "the father"
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I have met him here on a number of occasions
    Archmage Atlantis: I met him when I hired his design firm to build a library, and that has lead to a lot of interesting people and groups
    Archmage Atlantis: The essence of "The Father"
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: I see it as the protecting nurturing side of the Creator, mother and father at one
    Tarmel Udimo: not everyone sees being in a male form
    Archmage Atlantis: Without sex, as it is of this reality
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: Thus I use the pronoun "E" when I refer to E, the Creator of All Things
    Tarmel Udimo: so you believe in a 'Creator'
    Archmage Atlantis: Got an hour "smile"
    Tarmel Udimo: hehehe
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: As a child I accepted logic and reason as the only verifiable things in this existence, and understanding of scientific method as being the best guess we have based on current data followed naturally
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: I Idealized Spock, then later Data
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: Yet there was something in me that sought "meaning", which logic and reason did not provide me
    Tarmel Udimo: meaning is tricky - my thoughts, feelings, about the life force has become so abstract its difficult for me to use personal, human terms
    Archmage Atlantis: This lead to a lifelong seeking
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: i understand, I have been too

    Tarmel Udimo: PaB kind of attracts" seekers" :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Through many "religions" and "philosophies"
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: and now?
    Archmage Atlantis: My best logic and reason lead me to a place that said there is no good evidence either for a Creator, or against E
    Archmage Atlantis: To me that left 4 choices
    Tarmel Udimo: true except for experiential evidence
    Tarmel Udimo: and what were they?
    Archmage Atlantis: What I experience is in my being and is different than for each and every other entity
    Archmage Atlantis: The 4 were
    Archmage Atlantis: Atheist
    Archmage Atlantis: Agnostic
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: Creator without true benevolence (volcanos, tidal waves, etc)
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: Or a creator beyond the understanding of any entity, but with benevolence that does not seen to our limited perception to be anything other than evil
    Archmage Atlantis: The final choice is the one I made
    Tarmel Udimo: humm perhaps i misunderstood your words, the creator is evil? or that is how we perceive his benevolence?
    Archmage Atlantis: the second, we perceive a holocaust as evil, but E may have benevolent intent
    Tarmel Udimo: ok
    Archmage Atlantis: There is more tho that I've had to think through to accept even that
    Tarmel Udimo: the holocaust is man's doing
    Archmage Atlantis: *even
    Archmage Atlantis: The Creator allowed it to happen
    Archmage Atlantis: Why?
    Tarmel Udimo: have you figured that out?
    Archmage Atlantis: I continue to study, I have thoughts, but they are not yet ripe to pluck
    Tarmel Udimo: yes its very tricky
    --BELL--
    Tarmel Udimo: the hardest thing to accept is that there may be no meaning as we know the word to mean:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Why, if I may ask, the Chinese zodiac and the choice of the dragon.....especially since dragons are rarely spoken of as "we"
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes others have chosen that path, it is as valid as mine, perhaps more so
    Archmage Atlantis: *wee
    Tarmel Udimo: that we look for 'human' connections & threads that exist only in an abstract way but not in a 'personal' way
    Tarmel Udimo: well I guess I am fond of the idea of being a dragon and when I was looking for an image I found several that were of large fire breathing creatures
    Tarmel Udimo: and water dragons are gentler folk than their fire counterparts
    Tarmel Udimo: don't get me wrong we can throw fire just as well as the other types of dragons, but we also prefer to swim about and chase butterflies - water is very healing for me
    Tarmel Udimo: and salt water especially
    Archmage Atlantis: Is your western zodiac sign one of the 3 water signs?
    Tarmel Udimo: no its a fire sign:)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, so there is the match!!!
    Tarmel Udimo: how about you?
    Archmage Atlantis: I forget what element Virgo represents
    Tarmel Udimo: earth
    Archmage Atlantis: And I really dislike being a bunny rabbit
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh a rabbit
    Tarmel Udimo: very interesting creatures
    Tarmel Udimo: it is said they will spend their autumn years in a peaceful and harmonious way
    Tarmel Udimo: whatever the life force (creator) is it is not static and set if it exists in the world of potential does the life force experience everything while also holding the potential of everything
    Archmage Atlantis: That could be a topic in itself......I am about to be 58, was a business exec in developing computerized financial reporting, Became disabled and housebound and economically challenged 3 years ago......I have finally decided the Creator is removing me from the day to day world to finish whatever my work here is to be......fantasy I know, but what is reality after all
    Tarmel Udimo: yes what is reality? your guess is as good as mine
    Tarmel Udimo: is that why your AV has no eyes?
    Archmage Atlantis: Back to dragons, if we may........you know they are only "wee" for a while
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting question, it does, but they are muted
    Archmage Atlantis: I can't remember making that design choice either
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh that is why I was not surprised when you mentioned you had become disabled
    Tarmel Udimo: I was taken aback but felt prepared in some way, perhaps the muted eyes send a subliminal message
    Tarmel Udimo: and yes I guess I have to accept that kittens and puppies and dragons become adults
    Tarmel Udimo: and no longer wee ones:)
    Archmage Atlantis: I only noticed it last week, the eyes I mean, I do not know how long they have been that way
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: I hope I have not upset you by talking about this?
    Archmage Atlantis: So you are younger, have a general path of the water dragon, and now seek to fill it with your water talents carried by the fire of things that speak to you, would you say that might be so?
    Archmage Atlantis: No, only 1 here has managed to upset me.
    Tarmel Udimo: that's very good, I like this description
    Tarmel Udimo: and what may my water talents be?
    Tarmel Udimo: tks glad it wasn't me
    Archmage Atlantis: That it was not, but e's path and mine continue to cross, so we shall see
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Archmage Atlantis: I cannot know your talents, but you know them already
    Archmage Atlantis: You may be fighting them as I fought myself for over 1/2 a cenury
    Archmage Atlantis: *century
    Tarmel Udimo: and so do you have any clues as to what the 'frag' your purpose here on the planet is meant to be?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I have already fulfilled one mission, another has come to me
    Tarmel Udimo: ok not too much fighting going on... but it is hard to just once and for all surrender to remaining positive and open and in the present at all times
    Tarmel Udimo: and what is the other mission?
    Archmage Atlantis: No one is in the present at a all times, do not take the great learnings as complete in and of themselves, they are merely tools
    Archmage Atlantis: I have to ask, do you use a translator, or do you speak English yourself
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to be more careful typing with a translator
    Archmage Atlantis: is all
    Archmage Atlantis: My neuropathy and carpal tunnel make typing a bit more of a challenge
    Tarmel Udimo: I speak english but spelling is terrible, dyslexic and too reliant on spell check:)
    Tarmel Udimo: translator
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, good, then you're used to translating from typed gook into English *smile*
    Tarmel Udimo: grins yes
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: What time zone are you in? I'm in ET and its 6 AM here, time to feed the cows *chuckle*
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually a very demanding 16 yo bengal cat
    Tarmel Udimo: its 8pm her I am in Australia
    Tarmel Udimo: and you are in NY?
    Archmage Atlantis: SW Florida
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh
    Tarmel Udimo: do you wish for me to include our conversation in the chat log or would you rather not?
    Tarmel Udimo: aftre all the session was finished when you arrived
    Archmage Atlantis: One the edge of the Everglades......gators, water birds, mosquitoes and non-native 16 ft pythons
    Tarmel Udimo: yikes.....
    Archmage Atlantis: I have nothing I hide
    Tarmel Udimo: beautiful tropics
    Tarmel Udimo: warm
    Archmage Atlantis: So you may leave it as far as I am concerned
    Tarmel Udimo: OK
    Archmage Atlantis: But if you choice otherwise, I have not problem with that either
    Archmage Atlantis: It has been a great pleasure meeting you Tarmel
    Tarmel Udimo: likewise, I have enjoyed out talk
    Archmage Atlantis: I look forward to speaking again at some time in the future
    Archmage Atlantis: Gots to hobble off,
    Tarmel Udimo: waves

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