Page last modified 17:48, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session, replacing Storm who was at the Retreat.*

Pila and I started slowly, talking about some administrative issues.

Wol Euler: hello pila

Pila Mulligan: hi Wol

Pila Mulligan: how are you?

Wol Euler: pretty well, all considered. And you?

Pila Mulligan: same :)

Wol Euler: :)

Pila Mulligan: you'll cover tomorrow for Lia?

Wol Euler: sure

Pila Mulligan: how about today's log -- you or me?

Pila Mulligan: either is fine

Wol Euler: already claimed it, and let's wait and see if there is actually a proper session :)

Pila Mulligan: okay

Pila Mulligan: thanks

Wol Euler: my pleasure

Wol Euler: thanks for taking yesterday's

Pila Mulligan: I have a a client in need of hand holding

Wol Euler: :)

Pila Mulligan: real life that is

Wol Euler: knight in shining sandals :)

Pila Mulligan: lol

--BELL--

Pila Mulligan: I'm going to be doing some stuff for the client, so if I seem not to be here at times .... well, then I probably am not :0

Wol Euler nods. No worries.

Wol Euler: if nobody else turns up within the half-hour, I'll call it quits.

Pila Mulligan: ok

Pila Mulligan: yesterday it was a pretty full and interesting session at this time

Wol Euler nods. I caught hte tail end, kept very late at work as I feared

Pila Mulligan: so it is about 10 pm there now?

Wol Euler: right

Pila Mulligan: 10 am here :)

Wol Euler: heh

How we got here.

Pila Mulligan: some day I'd love to hear the story of how you came to Germany

Wol Euler: I was about to say "diamerically opposite", but then you'd hve to be south of the equator.

Wol Euler smiles.

Pila Mulligan: yep

Pila Mulligan: hemispherically opposite maybe

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: chordally

Pila Mulligan: I came to Hawaii in 1985 as an something of an expatriate

Wol Euler: mmm?

Pila Mulligan: with an intent to leave the US mainland at least

Wol Euler: why was that?

Wol Euler: (if you wish to tell the entire world)

Pila Mulligan: I'd been working at legal aid during the first Reagan years

Pila Mulligan: the whole place seemed to be descending into hell

Wol Euler nods

Pila Mulligan: I decided it was not for me, as much a spossible at least

Pila Mulligan: Hawaii is pretty remote in that sense

Pila Mulligan: shifting to the work side of the desk now for a bit ... :)

Wol Euler: :)

Gaya and Yakuzza arrive; Gaya is having trouble with her viewer again.

Wol Euler: hello gaya, yakuzza

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hola estamos

Wol Euler: oh, how sweet :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Moi?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Gaya Ethaniel: wow ... laggy tonight.

Wol Euler: nice skin, animal-ish

Wol Euler: suits the antlers

Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Wol Euler: how is everyone tonight?

--BELL--

Gaya Ethaniel: re-logging ... brb

Wol Euler: kk

Pila Mulligan: hi Gaya and Yak (Pila is shifting back and forth between SL and a little rl work at the moment)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i just came from a spanish class :P

Wol Euler: ah :)

Wol Euler: wb gaya

Pila Mulligan: welcome back Gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: wb gaya

Gaya Ethaniel: What is the topic [before I came]?

Gaya Ethaniel: Or while I was here but didn't see because of the lag monster.

Wol Euler: silence, absence :)

Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)

Wol Euler: start us off, gaya :)

Gaya Ethaniel thinks ...

The inner child.

Gaya Ethaniel: I was talking to a friend about a child within us recently [think a lot of us have that]. What do you think?

Wol Euler: sounds like a topic. Tell us more?

Gaya Ethaniel: It manifests in different ways for different people ... sometimes one that feels helpless ... sometimes craving for affection ... many variations.

Wol Euler: the little (heh) voice within us...

Gaya Ethaniel: You hear it also?

Wol Euler: oh yes :)

Pila Mulligan: (my avi seemed to be doing odd things while I was away)

Wol Euler: we hid the bodies.

Pila Mulligan: (came back and it looked like disco-in-place)

Pila Mulligan: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: They revolt while we look away :D

Wol Euler: they do. in RL too...

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: the inner child maybe

Gaya Ethaniel: Could be :)

Pila Mulligan: do you remembr Eric Berne's Transactional Analysis

Wol Euler: I think it does exist (insofar as thoughts and imaginings and memories and feelings "exist")

Wol Euler: mmhmm, I do :)

Gaya Ethaniel: What is it?

Wol Euler: I think I do. P-A-C?

Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis

Pila Mulligan: yep

Wol Euler smiles

Gaya Ethaniel looks up ...

Pila Mulligan: he theorized that human interaction involves three levels of relationships

Pila Mulligan: 1. parent 2. adult 3. child

Pila Mulligan: and we act uor those roles according to the situation

Gaya Ethaniel listens.

Wol Euler: the idea that interaction (not jus conversation) can be understood as connecting among three kinds of roles

Wol Euler: right

Gaya Ethaniel: ah sounds interesting.

A pair of visitors land in the pool. It turns out they were looking for the Kira Cafe.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey noke

Wol Euler: a parent talking down to a child, or two children gleefully conspiring, or a pair of adults solving a technical issue

Wol Euler: etc

Wol Euler: hello Cai, Noke

Noke Yuitza: Aloha!

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Cai and Noke :)

Wol Euler: have you been here before?

Noke Yuitza: uhm, no, in Kira yes, but here not

Cai Denimore: hello everyone

Wol Euler: ah, ok :)

Pila Mulligan: aloha

Cai Denimore: this is my first time

Wol Euler: we are the contemplative branch of Kira :)

Gaya Ethaniel: It is possible not to take on a role like that though or is it more or less impossible normally?

Pila Mulligan: (noting the aloha greeting in Noke's profile:)

Wol Euler: this is a meeeting of a meditation group called "Play as Being"

Gaya Ethaniel: Welcome to PlyasBeing then both of you :)

Wol Euler: the notecard tells about us, and give the URL of our website

Noke Yuitza: ;(

Noke Yuitza: )*

Pila Mulligan: :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: we record these conversations, and publish them on our Wiki. May we have your permission to publish your names and comments?

Noke Yuitza: (I'm reading the note)

Cai Denimore: i have the LM for Kira Cage

Cai Denimore: Cafe

Pila Mulligan: :)

Cai Denimore: sorry, but we must go

Cai Denimore: thank you

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye cai, noke

Wol Euler: bye noke, take care

Noke Yuitza: uhm... our idea was going to a science meeting, so maybe next time?

Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)

Wol Euler: gaya, the theory was that the connections were unconscious.

Pila Mulligan: wrong brain side

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: it doesn't have to happen :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Or could be the recording bit ... I sometimes think some people create alts to participate in PaB.

Wol Euler grins

Wol Euler: TA does explain a lot of miscommunication, actually.

Gaya is having different miscommunication issues.

Gaya Ethaniel: I don't see what I type again ... well SL is not being cooperative today. Hope to catch up another time then. Good night.

Wol Euler: bye gaya, better luck tomorrow

Pila Mulligan: bye Gaya

Language and speech (and voice).

Pila Mulligan: como esta Yak?

Wol Euler: Pila, on your next trip back to this side of the desk, why did yo bring up TA?

Pila Mulligan: the innner child idea

Wol Euler: ah, right.

Wol Euler: I wondered if it had been something specific

Wol Euler: otherly specific :)

Pila Mulligan: Berne seemed to recognize it as a personality element

Yakuzza Lethecus: esta bien :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: lol i was on desktop

Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i am not great in spanish so far but second life is my only contact to that right now

Yakuzza Lethecus: and that course is even free

Pila Mulligan: Estudiá español en la escuela màs de cuarenta años atràs, y no rememeber mucho de eso ahora

Pila Mulligan: (from Google translator:)

Wol Euler: funny that it didn't understand "rememeber"

Pila Mulligan: what did it say?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i also cheat with the google translator too much :)

Pila Mulligan: oh, English I see

Pila Mulligan: typo

Wol Euler: machine translation has a long way to go before it'll challenge even children's abilities.

Pila Mulligan: the extra 'e'

Wol Euler: any human, of any age, would have understood that.

Pila Mulligan: remember may have worked :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: haha, children's are the god's of language

Pila Mulligan: yes, Yak

Wol Euler: true

Pila Mulligan: Sufi Sam said it this way: 'Children are the voice of God'

Yakuzza Lethecus: obove a certain age it just gets much harder to pick up a language fast

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Yakuzza Lethecus: sufi sam ?

Wol Euler: but it also gets easier to use the ones you do have even a partial grasp of

Pila Mulligan: Sufi Sam was an American -- he became a Sufi

Yakuzza Lethecus: it's sad that nobody uses voice regularly around here

Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Lewis

Pila Mulligan: my SL voice does not work well

Wol Euler: I don't like it, I very much prefer text. I find it hard to follow multiple speakers, and the sound quality is appallingly poor most of hte time

Pila Mulligan: I've just strated playing with Skype, it seems much better than SL voice

Wol Euler: that's basically a phone call, right?

Pila Mulligan: yes, VOIP

Wol Euler: directly between two people

Pila Mulligan: or a group

Wol Euler: ah

Pila Mulligan: with a text chat also

--BELL--

Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling

Wol Euler hums the tune of "God is a DJ"

Pila Mulligan: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: whats ur skypename pila ?

Pila Mulligan: [censored]

Pila Mulligan: oops -- maybe that should be edited out Wol? does Skype have spam :)

Wol Euler: I'll remove it

Pila Mulligan: thanks

Wol Euler: sure; and yes, there is spam in everything these days. alas.

Pila Mulligan: are you on Skype Yak?

Pila Mulligan: so it seems Wol

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, just came online and added you

Pila Mulligan: can you send em your info please

Pila Mulligan: or I guess it does that automatically

Pila and Yakuzza descend into a second order of virtuality, and I browse the Wikipedia while waiting.

Wol Euler: well, I never. The order of the Whirling Dervishes was created by Rumi's followers and son.

Wol Euler: (sorry :)

Pila Mulligan: Yak and I are chatting on Skype

Wol Euler: :)

Pila Mulligan: that was fun

Pila Mulligan: Wol, what was the Rumi comment?

Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, the audio quality in skype is much better but it's also a piece of privacy because you might added more information in a messenger like skype then in ur second life profile

Wol Euler: I was reading wikipedia while you were chatting

Pila Mulligan: about Sufi Sam, Wol?

Wol Euler: I started there :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: so that is why i have pretty much no voicechat or website or facebook profile in my sl profile

Wol Euler: went to the dervishes, and from there to rumi

Pila Mulligan: have you ever seen Dervishes dance?

Wol Euler: nope; or "not yet"

Pila Mulligan: it is a thrill

Pila Mulligan: beautiful to watch

Pila Mulligan: yes, Yak, the personal profiles seem to vary in Skype, some have more content

Pila Mulligan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnunfciSr7k

--BELL--

Yakuzza Lethecus: but ur voice sounded definetly younger then 66 :)

Pila Mulligan: it should, I'm only 63 :)

Wol Euler: heheheheheh

Pila Mulligan: my inner child maybe :0

Pila Mulligan: my hearing is not so good, though, so my challenge with Skype is comprehension

Pila Mulligan: text chat is easier in that regard

Pila Mulligan: Yak's spoken english is excellent by the way

Yakuzza Lethecus: it got 2 sides for me, voice is easier and straight away

Pila Mulligan: yep

Wol Euler nods. We have spoken in SL, at my plot

Pila Mulligan: :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i have logfiles while chatting but i constantly delete more then half of what i am typing

Wol Euler: what? a log of voice?

Yakuzza Lethecus: you can't do unappropriate jokes because you can't use rethoric very well

Yakuzza Lethecus: no i am on text right now :)

Pila Mulligan: it would be nice to integrate an instant voice recognition to chat text log feature in Skype or SL

Wol Euler nods.

Yakuzza Lethecus: i would be glad to have at least text to speech

Pila Mulligan: make an archive for lectures and an aid to the hard of hearing

Yakuzza Lethecus: i listen very often and liked to hear a chat going on and close my eyes

Pila Mulligan: text to speech exists, but the ones I've seen are kind of mechanical

Pila Mulligan: :)

We think of the Retreaters.

Pila Mulligan: Wol and Yak, have you heard any news from the real life retreat yet?

Wol Euler: not much at all. Corvi said that she was happy.

Wol Euler: I'm not sure if you would call that news :)

Pila Mulligan: it is :)

Pila Mulligan: at least it is something from the retreat

Wol Euler: I'm curious to know how the silent day went, what they did and felt and thought

Pila Mulligan: not that it is new for Corvi to be happy

Pila Mulligan: yes, me too

Pila Mulligan: an especially interesting day

Wol Euler nods

Pila Mulligan: and did the silence go on all day, or just part of it

Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't want to hear something i might get jealous :)

Pila Mulligan: :)

The next retreat.

Pila Mulligan: next year in Germany :)

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: Marienbad perhaps

Pila Mulligan: I'd love to visit Europe, never have - but it reality it is unlikely as I dislike airports

Wol Euler: you could sail.

Wol Euler: just start off a little earler.

Pila Mulligan: that would be fun

Pila Mulligan: I love sailing

Yakuzza Lethecus: how long to sail from hawaii to germany today ? :D

Wol Euler: I think with envy, but with a shudder, of Somerset Maugham setting off to spend three weeks crossing hte Pacific on a steamer

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: it would depend Yak -- probably there is ont one direct route

Pila Mulligan: so one leg to the US or Asia

Pila Mulligan: then one to Europe

Yakuzza Lethecus: suez isn't for sailingboats ?

Pila Mulligan: or Panama

Yakuzza Lethecus: ah us or asia

Pila Mulligan: boats and trains would be much fun

Yakuzza Lethecus: sry had afrika in mind as well

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: ohhh, idea: SL retreat cruise

Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe short sailing to kamchatka and then by train

Wol Euler: :)

Pila Mulligan: :)

Pila Mulligan: or PaB retreat cruise, that is

Pila Mulligan: in rl

--BELL--

Yakuzza Lethecus: i can't hold my eyes open for a longer time

Wol Euler smiles. Goodnight, yak. sleep well.

Yakuzza Lethecus: good night and good day pila

Pila Mulligan: have a nice evening's rest

Geometry, timezones and the round world.

Yakuzza Lethecus: it's 11:15am for you isn't it ?

Pila Mulligan: yes :)

Pila Mulligan: chordic opposites

Yakuzza Lethecus: always 12hrs behind us

Yakuzza Lethecus: right

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: a chord rather than a diameter.

Pila Mulligan: Hawaii is one of the last places for the new year to start

Wol Euler: diameters always pass through the centre of a sphere, chords don't have to.

Pila Mulligan: aha

Wol Euler: the circles of latitude are chords

Pila Mulligan: geometry -- longer ago than spansih :)

Wol Euler: as an architect, it#s in my daily toolkit :)

Pila Mulligan: cool

Pila Mulligan: well, Wol, it is also late for you

Pila Mulligan: and my day is making some demands here

Pila Mulligan: so maybe we should end now

Wol Euler nods and smiles

Pila Mulligan: nice to sit with you

Wol Euler: have a nice day, pila.

Pila Mulligan: thanks, aloha

Pila Mulligan: sleep well

Wol Euler: aloha

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Gah. Never made so many mistakes as when writing up this session. Maybe I should stay home today?

yeah, stay home and build in SL :) I'm stuck at home today with my umbrella hijacked.