2009.09.13 07:00 - Worst Harasser of My Peace is Myself

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ack...got stuck....
    Eliza Madrigal: There I am :)
    Adams Rubble: Oh bummer
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: How are you and how are your nine seconds (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal checks
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: that took about nine seconds :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Adams Rubble: I haven't been stopping the past couple of weeks
    Adams Rubble: I was thinking maybe I need to start doing that
    Eliza Madrigal: Honestly, I find the nine seconds like emerging from swimming to take a breath. Sometimes I set the clock and sometimes not... but part of what seems natural now
    Adams Rubble: Doug once said we should think that we are not too busy for whatever oit is we need to do
    Adams Rubble: oh wonderful Eliza :)
    Adams Rubble: actually he said we should think "I have time"
    Eliza Madrigal: That's a good tip ...
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: seems blindingly obvious but that's how we are
    Adams Rubble: speaking of the devil :)
    Eliza Madrigal: need reminders and pokes
    Adams Rubble: Hi Doug. I was just talking about you :)
    Adams Rubble: whoops he went out of range
    Adams Rubble: [7:05] Adams Rubble: Hi Doug. I was just talking about you :)
    doug Sosa: hi
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    doug Sosa: :(
    Adams Rubble: I have bbeen too busy to breathe the past too weeks
    Adams Rubble: and was just recalling how you once said that we should think we are too busy
    Adams Rubble: but that we have time
    Adams Rubble: not think we are too busy
    Adams Rubble: Hi Pema :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Pema :)
    doug Sosa: we shoul never say we are too busy. there is always time.
    doug Sosa: especially we gain back the time we spent
    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza, Adams, Doug!
    doug Sosa: saying we are too busy.
    doug Sosa: hi,
    Adams Rubble: well I sure feel too busy (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Adams Rubble: but will try to remember that :)
    doug Sosa: very interesting episode yesterday. I had to vacuum the house.
    doug Sosa: found myself in a kind of 90 sec frame of mind
    doug Sosa: and all things seemed equal and i was terrifically calm and deliberate.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: When I vacummed this morning I got four mosquito bites :)
    Pema Pera: yes, I think it is a good idea -- being busy means having to drop things you are too busy to do, so that you can then calmly do what you have decided is the most important; if you don't do that calmly, you will be less efficient -- in other words, it all is a form of wu-wei again
    Adams Rubble: Hi Eos :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)
    Pema Pera: Hi there Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Adams, Eliza, Pema, Doug
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes we rush through things, so have to do them again and again
    Adams Rubble: of course some things have to be done, can;t be dropped
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Adams Rubble: they can sap energy
    Pema Pera: yes, but even so, trying to do too many things in a frenzie means that you have to redo them later, as Eliza said
    Pema Pera: driving yourself mad is never a solution
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Hi Corvi :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Corvi!
    doug Sosa: it wasn;t about me. it was the sense that each thing, relationship, whatever had its existence, its absolute right to be just as it was. nothing was an obstacle.
    Pema Pera: How about doing a little exploration at 7:15, during the 90 seconds?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Corvi! :)
    doug Sosa: yes.
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Corvi
    Pema Pera: which one?
    Adams Rubble: ?
    Pema Pera: which exploration/exercise?
    Eliza Madrigal: So far we've done boundary watching, thought watching...
    Pema Pera: if nobody makes a suggestion, let's fall back on appreciating the presence of appearance
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay
    Adams Rubble: wb Corvi
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi again Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: So with this, I closed my eyes to hear my daughters crunching cereal and talking about a movie they saw yesterday, but I stopped listening to what they were saying to notice their voices... so deep, not childlike...
    Eliza Madrigal: then noticed my shoulders slumped and corrected :)
    Pema Pera: wonderful, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: Doing this exploration, I was reminded of a conversation I had with Eos, who mentioned an idea from Trungpa, about "dralas", a kind of personification of phenomena/appearances, like the Japanese notion of kami or nature spirit -- and I appreciated how such an approach might help to avoid viewing the APA sentence as too abstract; the point is to REALLY become friends with all that appears.
    Pema Pera: viewing everything that presents itself as alive, as expressing the life of the Universe, of Being . . . .
    Pema Pera: that felt very powerful and at the same time very peaceful
    Pema Pera: and inclusive
    doug Sosa: i was struck by how entering the 90 suddendly it fel like the space of my mind was much larger, more encompassing..
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes nice!! That everything expresses the friendliness of Being...hm
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I love the idea of personifying the appearances, too
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: so that even the worst monsters of appearance can become friends
    doug Sosa: dropping the focus of normal mind seemed to relax some "miscles" and ..
    doug Sosa: muscles..
    Pema Pera: like in a well done horror movie :-)
    doug Sosa: and a kind of vigilantance seems to go with the greater awareness.
    Pema Pera: yes, without trying, exactly by no longer trying
    Pema Pera: Hi there, Bert!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello pablers :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Bert!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hi Bert
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm..and yes I realize that when listening to the girls' voices... and the quality of them... it was a real warm feeling... like a blanket.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bertram :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I got a notification on-screen that my mom was on skype - sense of presence
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: (some smilies have noses, some not) :o)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheh
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: some have BIG noses
    doug Sosa: :--)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: :O)
    Bertram Jacobus: yeaah :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and some big smiles :-))
    Pema Pera: (^o^)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: giggles
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Pema Pera: (@o@)
    Bertram Jacobus: and even clowns hats sometimes (!) <:o)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heheh
    Pema Pera: it's creeping towards midnight here . . . I think I'm going to sleep
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: g'night, Pema.
    Adams Rubble: good night Pema :)
    Bertram Jacobus: (sorry : did not want to interrupt so much)
    Pema Pera: great seeing y'all
    doug Sosa: bye.
    Eos Amaterasu: Good night, Pema
    Pema Pera: no problem at all, Bert!
    Bertram Jacobus: ups - have a nice nite pema ! :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Pema
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles..you know, it seems to me that after sitting it's good to have humor
    Pema Pera: me 2
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or at least it seems "wanted"
    doug Sosa: and me too, family crying for breakfast.
    doug Sosa: at the bell.
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Doug
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Doug
    Adams Rubble: bye doug :)
    Bertram Jacobus: then have a nice breakfast doug ! :-)
    --BELL--
    Bertram Jacobus: yes corvi : the mixture of humor and seriousity ... can be great ... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I've come to feel fondly toward APAPB.... It took quite a while before it was not abstract to me...before I began to see it was just noticing and sharing... dwelling
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes sharing what we're unable to say, which seems sharable thru humour
    Corvuscorva Nightfire considers
    Eliza Madrigal: I thought... why make such a long sentence? hahah... but really it is just Being...and how to share yes, the unsharable
    Eos Amaterasu Corvi opens a window into her mind :-)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins at Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: sometimes silent sharing ...
    Eliza Madrigal: So if we're too busy, to 'appreciate the presence of appearances as a presentation by being...." we can just Be ...together
    Eliza Madrigal: and we're really 'doing' the whole thing in that anyway
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Bertram Jacobus: thank you for having written that in full letters once again eliza ! :-)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: you're welcome Bert!
    Eliza Madrigal: I like the addition of the waterfall behind us... begins to feel full and layered around here now
    Bertram Jacobus: search it ... see only clouds ... (also very nice)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. now :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Oh, past my right shoulder?
    Eliza Madrigal: Behind where Eos is sitting....
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: We're so quiet... or maybe I've had too much coffee :)
    Bertram Jacobus: [90 secs] ... ;o)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh
    Bertram Jacobus: no
    Bertram Jacobus: already ready :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: i´m unaware ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and i have one IM besides ...
    Bertram Jacobus: but not too important ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: the end bell has been quiet for me too...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks...I'm sort of drifty today
    Eliza Madrigal: Drifty? that's a neat word
    Bertram Jacobus: i like when things are a bit slower ...
    Bertram Jacobus: i thought the same eliza :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: exept of lag perhaps ... ;o)
    Eliza Madrigal: like a boat on the water....
    Bertram Jacobus: sl lag
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. very nice and comfy :-)
    Adams Rubble: If we change directions during a session it can result in reflection rather than output :)
    Adams Rubble: (that was a personal comment)
    Eos Amaterasu: me visualizes
    Bertram Jacobus: i like personal commenst - amongst others , many ...
    Bertram Jacobus: what do you visualize eliza please ? :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, true Adams, can see that
    Eliza Madrigal: Eos is visualizing... I am drifting with Corvi...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles
    Bertram Jacobus: uh. sry. eos - what do you visualize ?
    Eliza Madrigal: Now I am visualizing us all drifting
    Eos Amaterasu: changing directions and reflecting
    Bertram Jacobus: (how unaware i can be!!)
    Eliza Madrigal: We're both "E"
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: We are A,B,C and two Es
    Eliza Madrigal: When weather shifts, the waves can push a little boat in many directions....
    Bertram Jacobus: pictures, metaphers ...
    Adams Rubble: There is some APAPB for you...watching ourselves drift rather than trying to row or sail
    Bertram Jacobus: metastages ... stages ... ;-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: heh
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire breathes in deep and out slow
    Bertram Jacobus: and i am thankful for some peace sometimes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the worst harasser of my peace is myself
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: True Corvi, but there are some people who can get us started. hehe
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Bertram Jacobus: "but"yes"no"true"wrong" - words in my mind ...
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh sorry...
    Bertram Jacobus: ?
    Eos Amaterasu: ¿
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: i wasn't arguing that there are lots of outside things that affect our peace
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: make it harder to find it
    Adams Rubble: I knew what you meant Corvi. Just making a grim joke :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: just thinking about ME and right now..and all the ways I create unrest in myself
    Eos Amaterasu: RL calls - bye all!
    Adams Rubble: bye Eos
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: even then, we often let them... or sometimes someone can be disruptive and if we're in a good center, it just spins around without touching
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles at Adams.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eos ... ;-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye eos
    Bertram Jacobus: and i like your remarks corvi (!)
    Adams Rubble: It is useful to remember when we feel we are being besieged that it is ultimately ourselves who distrub our peace
    Eliza Madrigal nods... and just noticing that goes a long way
    Bertram Jacobus: but ! : i am thankful for some peace sometimes :o) (sry, is this too insisting) ?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...and breathes in deep again, so she can sigh it out slow.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yeah...dammit...it's much more fun to blame someone else
    Adams Rubble: we all want peace Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and happyness ?
    Eliza Madrigal: And love :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am thank ful your peace, too, Bertram, somehow
    Bertram Jacobus: yes eliza :-)
    Adams Rubble: there is the love
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and i´m thankful for your breathing corvi - could do it with you the last time you wrote it :-)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles and nods
    Adams Rubble: appreciating each others' appearances
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must run a nd measure a building before I go off :0
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiels...I gotta go, too
    Eliza Madrigal: If we blame we must also give credit :) We help one another find peace... we help one another notice what gets in the way...
    Adams Rubble nods to Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Bye Adams, Happy Measuring :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins...I think in the end, that's us too, accepting the gifts offered.
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: sometimes we can, and sometimes we can't...bye all!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that's us too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: MMMM
    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... one hour seems to be a good peice of time for the meetings here. in general only i mean ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: so cu adams and ... corvi ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles yes...one hour is good especially if one wants to check in later :)
    Bertram Jacobus: terrible chat lag here again and again today -
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, for me it has been about a week
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. yes. true :o)
    Eliza Madrigal: and I rarely have that issue
    Bertram Jacobus: okay. good to know. that it seems to be sl and not the own computer
    Eliza Madrigal: I should go eat something... have been up for a long while and have had only coffee :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you this morning, Bert :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (later for you I know) :)
    Bertram Jacobus: okay. then i wish you enjoy your meal etc. :-) !
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :) Bye for now
    Bertram Jacobus: bfn eliza :-)


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