2009.09.24 19:00 - Lives

The Guardian for this meeting was Pila Mulligan. The comments are by Pila Mulligan.

    Pila Mulligan: hi Doug
    doug Sosa: hi Pila.
    Pila Mulligan: how are you?
    doug Sosa: ok. a bit tired. up at 4 am speech at 8 then the drive home, two hours in the gardem, reading some difficult stuff, and some web work..
    doug Sosa: self?
    Pila Mulligan: lucky you, garden time -- I've been unusually busy with work (although I keep thinking I've retired)
    Pila Mulligan: imagining perhaps, retired
    doug Sosa: pila, what work do you do?
    Pila Mulligan: I am a freelance paralegal -- I do research and writing for lawyers
    Pila Mulligan: started in 1968
    doug Sosa: ah, well that can be interesting. law is key to society. Hav you had any contact
    doug Sosa: with what is called
    Pila Mulligan: you'd think they'd let you out to pasture after 40 years :)
    doug Sosa: the law and literature folks?
    Pila Mulligan: not sure .. more details?
    doug Sosa: If you google law and lit i think you will find a journal and a few books at least, been a ew year since i looked at it.
    doug Sosa: Gives dignity to the work.
    doug Sosa: Course you can walk out if you want, no?
    Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_literature
    Pila Mulligan: me, yes, but for the income -- I am not licensed and have no ongoing obligations
    doug Sosa: you're quick
    Pila Mulligan: I can walk :)
    Pila Mulligan: 1st part of the job: research :)
    doug Sosa: interesting questions?
    Pila Mulligan: "the intellectual history of law -- first, the growing doubt about whether law in isolation is a source of value and meaning, or whether it must be plugged into a large cultural or philosophical or social-science context to give it value and meaning; and, second, the growing focus on the mutability of meaning in all texts, whether literary or legal."
    Pila Mulligan: I like the premises
    doug Sosa: I've been hit hard by legal stuff twice.
    Pila Mulligan: sometimes the cases I work on are interesting
    Pila Mulligan: some are just the usual cat fights
    doug Sosa: you mean the building or the underlying ideas?
    Pila Mulligan: the underlying ideas
    doug Sosa: good stuff
    Pila Mulligan: people can get hit hard by legal stuff
    Pila Mulligan: it can be devastating
    doug Sosa: yes. very tricky divorces.
    Pila Mulligan: ah, nasty cases
    doug Sosa: someday maybe we can explore it.
    Pila Mulligan: my favroite are land cases
    Pila Mulligan: titles, boundaries, etc
    doug Sosa: Been thinking about land. Talked with an aid to the SF mayor about it today. lots of homeless, can we find a new way to homestead.?
    Pila Mulligan: do I remember correctly that your area of expertise is related to psychology?
    doug Sosa: yes. psychoanalyst.. eric fromm more or less.
    Pila Mulligan: there are overlaps between law and psychology
    Pila Mulligan: as you have no doubt seen
    doug Sosa: yes. in psychology nearly everyone is more innocent :)
    doug Sosa: What is the overlap you see?
    Pila Mulligan: well, lawyers do a lot of drama, and the understanding of human nautre is essential to their success
    Pila Mulligan: technically, sanity as an element of law is also an issue
    doug Sosa: ah, rhetoric and narrative.
    Pila Mulligan: yes and competence
    doug Sosa: now there is an assumption. meaning?
    Pila Mulligan: well, I am chuckling here, actually
    Pila Mulligan: a lot of popele question the sanity and competence of lawyers
    doug Sosa: Sanity is very slippery from a psychological point of view.
    Pila Mulligan: but I was referring to criminal and social competence as a legal term
    --BELL--
    doug Sosa: ah, that kind of competence. The kind that assumes there is a real person intact..
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Pila Mulligan: and you guys tell the judge how intact
    Pila Mulligan: as experts
    Pila Mulligan: intact enough or not, at least
    doug Sosa: i never agreed to be called as a witness. Just too unfair.
    Pila Mulligan: it is a risky effort, i wouldn't do it either, if I was competent to do so
    Pila Mulligan: uesually the adversarial part overcomes the objectivity
    doug Sosa: what seems to be happening here in the sessions? I come to many more that NB shows up for.
    Pila Mulligan: maybe the summer vacatiosn -- now that autumn has begun it may pick up again
    Pila Mulligan: not sure, actually
    doug Sosa: i am a bit saddened by it.
    Pila Mulligan: your place looks really nice by the way, Doug
    doug Sosa: Well, i got the columns, then found the same house you started with. Storm had to help
    Pila Mulligan: fun, isn;t it
    doug Sosa: me resize it. But then i can't open the door, and i want to change the color to white carrara stone.
    doug Sosa: it is fun. could be quite compelling.
    Pila Mulligan: I actually tried building a structure from scratch yesterday -- it was half okay
    Pila Mulligan: I worry about the compelling part :)
    doug Sosa: Still there?
    Pila Mulligan: it is in another virtual world, opensim
    doug Sosa: oops, what oh what is open sim?
    Pila Mulligan: opensim is the phenomenon created by Linden when they released their operating system for SL to open source
    Pila Mulligan: people are setting up their own grids
    Pila Mulligan: outside of SL, looks like SL, but is private
    Pila Mulligan: like Threedee, he has been doing it for a while
    doug Sosa: is that going to affect us here, should it?
    Pila Mulligan: I think some people will leave here here for opensim
    doug Sosa: should i be concerned, interested?
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eos
    Pila Mulligan: interested more than concerned I'd say
    doug Sosa: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: HI doug, Pila
    Pila Mulligan: have you seen open sim Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: No, been meanin' to
    Pila Mulligan: the SL alternative?
    Pila Mulligan: want to try now?
    doug Sosa: sure.
    Pila Mulligan: first, do you use Windows or Mac
    doug Sosa: windows
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, I do not know how to do it on MAc
    Pila Mulligan: windows we can do
    Eos Amaterasu: can you use the same client?
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Pila Mulligan: SL works both places
    Pila Mulligan: http://www.osgrid.org/elgg/account/register.php
    Pila Mulligan: 1. register your avi name
    Pila Mulligan: it can be anything
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    doug Sosa: trying the reg now.
    Pila Mulligan: first name in the top box, last name it the second box
    doug Sosa: ok
    Pila Mulligan: their form is a little obscure
    doug Sosa: yep, gotta retry
    Pila Mulligan: ok
    Eos Amaterasu: Downloading Hippo 0.5.2 OpenSim viewer
    Pila Mulligan: oh, ok -- I have not used it yet :)
    Pila Mulligan: I've just used the SL viewer
    Pila Mulligan: please tell me how it works for you, Eos, I may try it too
    Pila Mulligan: they let you register one avi per email address
    Eos Amaterasu: Frig - just like the van Morrison song: "to be born again, in another space, in another place"
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    doug Sosa: I need to go, and i will try this later tonight. anything else i need to know?
    Eos Amaterasu: Just logged in with Hippo....
    Pila Mulligan: cool
    Pila Mulligan: how is it
    Eos Amaterasu: Lot like SL
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: I've re-incarnated!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Can you bring in your SL avatar?
    Pila Mulligan: it is tricky, but it can be done --easier to rebuild though
    Eos Amaterasu finds that he is himself in name only
    Pila Mulligan: yes, you may need to create body parts
    Pila Mulligan: in inventory
    doug Sosa: so back to registration..
    Eos Amaterasu: Somebody claiming to be Pila Mulligan has offered friendship on OpenSim
    doug Sosa: when it says account name and surname, what goes in these boxes?
    Pila Mulligan: your avi's first name is the Account name
    Pila Mulligan: Surname is your avi's seocnd name
    Eos Amaterasu: The wording is confusing
    Pila Mulligan: Sosa = Surname
    Eos Amaterasu: Pila in OPen Sim looks like Pila in SL
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: so can Eos with just a few minutes of work -- look like Eos,that is
    doug Sosa: opops, worked!
    Pila Mulligan: cool
    Pila Mulligan: Eos downloadied the Hippo OpenSim viewer
    Pila Mulligan: you can do that too, Doug (I have not tired it) or you can use SL's viewer
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm on Mac, btw
    Pila Mulligan: oh, ok
    Pila Mulligan: it seems to be working alrght
    doug Sosa: yep, lower case, now downloading hippo 5.1
    Pila Mulligan: ok, you guys are ahead of me then :)
    doug Sosa: but gotta go. thanks for the nudge over.. :)
    Pila Mulligan: ok, sometime we'll try it doug
    doug Sosa: bye
    Pila Mulligan: bye Doug
    Pila Mulligan: see you next time
    Eos Amaterasu: How can you be in two sims at once when you're not anywhere at all?
    Eos Amaterasu: (Firesign Theater)
    Pila Mulligan: good question
    Pila Mulligan: imagination maybe :)
    [Eos said he had to go on the opensim side of oour chat]
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eos
    Pila Mulligan: see you next time :)