2009.10.02 07:00 - Understanding and sharing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was quen Oh. The comments are by quen Oh.

    Widget Whiteberry: Good morning
    Pema Pera: Hi Quen, and hi Widget!
    quen Oh: hi Pema, hello Widget, nice to meet you!
    Widget Whiteberry: thank you quen, nice to meet you too
    Pema Pera: Yesterday Storm showed some of us the new Village Hall that he built, here nearby
    quen Oh: ah interesting
    Widget Whiteberry: Eos told me a new village hall was in process
    Pema Pera: It looks really great. It is straight North of here, in the same sim
    Pema Pera: yes, it is finished now
    quen Oh: I will surely visit it!
    quen Oh: hello Mary
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Pema Pera: Hi Mary!
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Widget Whiteberry: does it represent an evolution of this region?
    Widget Whiteberry: Hi Mary
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Pema Pera: well, we are constantly evolving, as a group, but yes, it is a next step
    quen Oh: to found a village?
    quen Oh: ;-) when will you be asking for city rights?\
    Pema Pera: Hi Gaya!
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Pema Pera: we will probably start having weekly guardian meetings in the Village Hall, something we did a year ago, but then stopped doing
    Gaya Serendipity: Hello :)
    Mary Korpov: Are you talking about SL or RL?
    Pema Pera: that will give more of us a chance to all meet each other
    Pema Pera: SL
    quen Oh: hi Gaya!~
    Pema Pera: we were talking about the new Village Hall that Storm just built nearby
    Gaya Serendipity: Hi hi quen :)
    quen Oh: sounds nice to see the whole group more often
    Pema Pera: the drawback of a weekly meeting is that we can't find a time when all of us can meet
    quen Oh: too bad we live on a round planet...
    Pema Pera: we used to meet on Sundays, 8 am, we may want to start again at that time
    quen Oh: and not all on the same spot
    Pema Pera: but probably should have an alternate time as well
    Gaya Serendipity nods.
    Pema Pera: yes, indeed, time zones . . . .
    Mary Korpov: and children
    quen Oh: well if of course all of US will go living on european times we could meet more easily ;-)
    Gaya Serendipity giggles.
    Pema Pera: how about Asians and Australians?
    quen Oh: nice ears Gaya!
    Mary Korpov: Then we would all have to live in Europe
    quen Oh: they can do that too?
    Gaya Serendipity: :)
    quen Oh: not necessarily, only have to get used to see less sun in your lives...
    Pema Pera: living at the South Pole would help too -- you can pick your zone
    quen Oh: hehe
    quen Oh: brrrrrrrrrr
    Gaya Serendipity: :)
    quen Oh: or we make some artificial space mirrors?
    Mary Korpov: Time zones are strange. I've often wondered how the countries of the world came to agree on time zones when we don't agree on much of anything else.
    quen Oh: really big ones...
    Pema Pera: I will have to leave in about five minutes or so -- am in the train from New York to Princeton, and I'm about to arrive at Princeton Junction
    Gaya Serendipity: Have fun Pema :)
    Mary Korpov: bye
    quen Oh: nice you were able to visit Pema!
    Pema Pera: China has only one time zone . . . even though it is a huge country; everything centers on Beijing
    Pema Pera: oh, I'm not gone yet -- in five minutes :)
    quen Oh: so we move to china...?
    Mary Korpov: China is a weird place
    quen Oh: is SL even allowed in China?
    Widget Whiteberry: a little, yes quen
    quen Oh: I don't think I met much chinese here
    Gaya Serendipity: Some Chinese believe everyone is Chinese so ... it could happen >.<
    Widget Whiteberry: I've attended programs here with chinese and portugese, translating for each other
    Mary Korpov: I've travelled all over the world and China is one of the only places I can say that I truly disliked.
    quen Oh: ah nice, you speak both then I assume?
    quen Oh: gosh
    --BELL--
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi ya'll
    Gaya Serendipity: Hello Corvi :)
    Gaya Serendipity: We had a few Chinese visitors when we were at the old teahouse I remember. Though I think they now have their own version of SL.
    Mary Korpov: hi
    Pema Pera: Hi Corvi!
    Pema Pera: sorry, have to leave now, train station coming up
    Pema Pera: bye for now!
    Gaya Serendipity waves :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bfn, Pema
    quen Oh: bye Pema!
    quen Oh: must be interesting asian ava's. here most are caucasian or animal it seems
    quen Oh: the animals make it less boring :-)
    quen Oh winks at Gaya
    Widget Whiteberry: there are people creating non caucasian skins
    Gaya Serendipity: Actually I know many Koreans and Japanese in SL but they gather in their own places ... language/cultural difficulties :)
    Widget Whiteberry: not many but some
    Mary Korpov: How would it be more interesting?
    Gaya Serendipity winks at quen.
    Gaya Serendipity: Well they have different sensibilities in some things so it can add more interests.
    Mary Korpov: "They" is a pretty broad generalization. Everyone has different sensibilities.
    Gaya Serendipity: There is something called 'shared' experiences imo Mary.
    Mary Korpov: But there isn't anything called 'shared' "Asian" experience.
    Mary Korpov: And I'm not even sure there is anything really that is shared experience.
    Gaya Serendipity: For example, if you mention 'rebirth' to Koreans [I think almost half of them are Christian not sure of exact number], they won't necessarily believe it but it's an 'accepted' concept.
    Mary Korpov: But do they all mean the same thing? I understand what the word means, but my concept of it may be dramatically different from a Korean's.
    Gaya Serendipity: One does get 'conditioned' in certain ways depending on where one lives though the degree may differ.
    Mary Korpov: That is different from having mutual experience.
    Gaya Serendipity: Exactly so they is a generalisation but it makes sense ... unless you're trying to makek a debate out of this with me :P
    Mary Korpov: But I don't think it really does make sense. I think we each have independent and separate experiences.
    Gaya Serendipity: So you think there is no overlap in a way we can understand each other?
    Mary Korpov: Understanding involves interpretation and translation of individual experiences. Understanding can overlap, experience can't.
    Gaya Serendipity: I said accepted concept not experiences.
    Gaya Serendipity: Cultural sensibilities aren't personal experiences ...
    Mary Korpov: They are based on experiences. We each interpret broad cultural ideals and concepts in different ways.
    Gaya Serendipity: Well so this is my take on it Mary.
    Gaya Serendipity: You can have your own :)
    Mary Korpov: Discussion closed.
    --BELL--
    quen Oh: even if we separate experience we can still agree on things, no? we can all look at the pond in front of us and describe it in a way which both corresponds to our individual experience and too we can agree on... can't we? in that we we cannot share an experience but the understanding is related to our experience and therefore more than only shared understanding
    Gaya Serendipity: Anyway I agree with you quen to see more diversity in that sense but I don't think we will see more Asians here. My Asian friends don't speak good enough English to participate in discussions like this. You know my English is terrible so ... .>.<
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: this is not so!!!!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: my experience is that your english is better than mine.
    quen Oh: my chinese is terrible... :-(
    quen Oh: non-existing
    Gaya Serendipity: mhm when one say 'red', each of us what the word means overall.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Gaya Serendipity giggles.
    quen Oh: (except for some specific chinese dishes available here)
    Gaya Serendipity: :)
    Gaya Serendipity: Corvi seriously that's way too kind of you to say so.
    quen Oh: and luckily our recognition of red involves usually the same objects
    quen Oh: otherwise you won't see me in traffic so much anymore
    Gaya Serendipity: I am learning more vocab to express myself better but well I'm not in a hurry.
    Gaya Serendipity giggles.
    quen Oh: I have not heard less than very good english in here
    quen Oh: but well am not an expert myself either
    quen Oh: I am very sorry, but I have to leave now...
    Gaya Serendipity: Have a good day quen :)
    quen Oh: hope you will continue without me and have a good time!
    Widget Whiteberry: good bye
    quen Oh: will read back the log
    Gaya Serendipity: ty :)
    quen Oh: bye all!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye
    Widget Whiteberry: I'm sorry, rl has captured me
    Gaya Serendipity: Issues for me here is that it will take a loooong time to think in reply. People here are very fast in discussion.
    Gaya Serendipity: I'm very slow ... :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire smiles
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: me too
    Gaya Serendipity: You too?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am.also slow
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: in discussion
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: often I can't muster my idea until long after the concept has past.
    Gaya Serendipity nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: your probably faster in other languages..this is my top speed.
    Gaya Serendipity: I'm all mishmash now ... neither good at English nor Korean after being so long in UK.
    Mary Korpov: bye
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but damn..that gives you so much fluidity
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Mary.
    Gaya Serendipity: Bye Mary :)
    Gaya Serendipity: It's confusing though I'm guessing my English will improve while Korean will rust in the future.
    Gaya Serendipity: Do you think personal dislike about disagreeing prevent one from learning to discuss better?
    Gaya Serendipity: brb
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think it can hold you back, yes. I think that you can work around it, or you can let go of it.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: or..let it hold you back.
    Gaya Serendipity: back
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi Frankie
    Gaya Serendipity: Hello Frankie :)
    Frankie Tchailenov: hello
    Gaya Serendipity thinks ... how do you work around it?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: lots of ways, Iguess.
    Gaya Serendipity: Frankie, have you been to PlayasBeing discussions before?
    Frankie Tchailenov: just once
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: one way I work around things is to watch people I admire do something I want to do, doing it well.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and then see what it is they are doing..even ask them about it.
    Widget Whiteberry: forgive me, I need to go
    Gaya Serendipity: ah ok so I can spare you from introduction.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: thats' the sorta fake it til you make it method..by Widget
    Gaya Serendipity: Have a good day Widget :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I do that alot with things I am not ready to let go of, or don't know how to let go of.
    Gaya Serendipity: hm ... sounds like a mentoring system I had at my previous work.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: well this isn't mentoring..this is me deciding what I want and finding out how to get it.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: someitmes though one does "make it" that way.
    --BELL--
    Gaya Serendipity: It was like I pick someone senior and shadow their day.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: like that, yes.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: the other way is harder and easier..letting go of a fear or block.
    Gaya Serendipity: The other way as in?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: letting go, allowing a new skill or idea or way of being.
    Gaya Serendipity: ah I see yes. It's hard to shade habits.
    Frankie Tchailenov: why did u not respect the Silence
    Gaya Serendipity: shed
    Gaya Serendipity giggles. It's not a rule Frankie.
    Frankie Tchailenov: oh.... its just for fun?
    Gaya Serendipity: Well mostly we observe silence but sometimes we forget too.
    Frankie Tchailenov: ok
    Gaya Serendipity: But sorry for disturbing your silence :)
    Frankie Tchailenov: I dont mind...just wandered why you didnt keep the silence
    Gaya Serendipity: :)
    Frankie Tchailenov: damm....Im too tired to chat.... just got of from work
    Gaya Serendipity: np
    Frankie Tchailenov: are there people here all day?
    Gaya Serendipity: No there are 4 meetings per day, 1 am 7 am 1 pm then 7 pm
    Gaya Serendipity: SLT
    Frankie Tchailenov: ok
    Gaya Serendipity: Have you seen our wiki?
    Frankie Tchailenov: I think briefly
    Gaya Serendipity: You know what you said is recorded? You're ok with that? Want to double-check.
    Frankie Tchailenov: sure
    Gaya Serendipity: ok ty :)
    Frankie Tchailenov: I gotta take a nap....bbl
    Gaya Serendipity: Bye Frankie :)
    Gaya Serendipity: Bye Corvi and Listener. I need to make a move too :)
    Gaya Serendipity: Hi cosmic :)
    Gaya Serendipity: We are almost wrapping up the meeting now I'm afraid.
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