2009.11.03 13:00 - Schools-Crazy Horse-Steam Punk

    The guardian for this session was Mickorod Renard

    Wol Euler: mmhmm, it has that effect, because you meet the *soul* here, unmediated by bodies or any of that messy stuff
    Mickorod Renard: yes exactly
    Wol Euler: so you meet and get to like people whom you might not approach in RL
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,for some reason rl has barriers
    Wol Euler: many millions of years of evolution, for one :)
    Mickorod Renard: and its not like the barriers are not removable,,but just are
    Mickorod Renard: phone
    Wol Euler: ok
    Mickorod Renard: back
    Wol Euler: wb
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,claimed the log
    Mickorod Renard: maybe its good in rl to have some barriers,,I dunno
    Mickorod Renard: so you have been away from your birthland a while?
    Wol Euler: yes, two thirds of my life.
    Wol Euler: seventeen years seems to be the threshold
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: hi yaku
    Wol Euler: I left canada at 18, stayed 17 yrs in London, now 15 years in Stuttgart
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya
    Wol Euler: hello yaku
    Mickorod Renard: incred
    Mickorod Renard: yaku,,its not like there are no other seats,,he he
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Yakuzza Lethecus: rezzing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sry :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin
    Wol Euler: he likes us :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi doug
    Wol Euler: hello doug
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Doug
    doug Sosa: :)
    Mickorod Renard: have you been away Doug?
    doug Sosa: yes. conference in honolulu. nice actually.
    Mickorod Renard: sounds nice,,did you get a bit of spare time while there?
    doug Sosa: though in honolulu in the 9 sec you discover there is no reality )
    Wol Euler: ooh yes
    Mickorod Renard: just paradise all the time?
    Wol Euler: di you do any surfing?
    doug Sosa: well skin deep. Though the best part may have been the relaxed visit to the botanical garden..
    doug Sosa: where it was clear the natives used everything.
    Mickorod Renard: love them
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Mickorod Renard: used everything?..you mean the herbs?
    doug Sosa: no time really for surfing but the new thing is standing ona boad with a paddle, almost like venice. i'll try it when i can round up a board..
    doug Sosa: Think of starting the 9 sec just at the point of falling :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,considering how central the 9 second thing is here,,I still fail to do it
    doug Sosa: easy as falling off a board :)
    Mickorod Renard: grin,,well my day always seems like falling into a turbulant river,,eventually to be washed ashore at the end
    doug Sosa: remember that the whirling dervishes whirl in order to see the world stable.
    Wol Euler: oh yes, I saw those board paddlers at the Med. It looks nearly as hard as surfing.
    Mickorod Renard: I do feel that sometimes,,like stepping aside,,and watching the madness with altered time
    doug Sosa: where does your day happen? Circumstances?
    Mickorod Renard: its in a school environment..orderly by the sound of bells at diferent times
    Mickorod Renard: bells signify the charge of masses from one class to another
    Wol Euler: hello bert
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: hello everybody, hey wol ! ... :-) and mick ! ... :-)
    doug Sosa: i remeber the bells. School is close to prison in organization. Bd stuff.
    Wol Euler: both are warehouses for people, one might say.
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I dont like it,,but strangely the kids like the condition
    doug Sosa: well, they are not given a choice, and it is dramatic, like romeo and julliet without the music.
    Mickorod Renard: saves them from having to think
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert
    Wol Euler: y'know, I cannot remember whether there were bells in my schools or not.
    doug Sosa: bert:)
    Bertram Jacobus: huhu yaku ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and dou8g ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i remember i liked the school bells ...
    doug Sosa: That's amazing. i can har them, and the rush, not unlike when the ding goes after an airplanes lands and everyone jumps up - only to wait ten minutes for the forward isle to clear.
    Mickorod Renard: ours are like the high pitch drilling sound
    Mickorod Renard: he he ,,yea,,thats the idea
    Mickorod Renard: I often think something like Pab or whatever would be good in school
    Mickorod Renard: some teaching in spiritual ways
    doug Sosa: Time to look at the girl in the cahmere sweater.
    doug Sosa: cashmere
    Mickorod Renard: not sure I understood that Doug
    Bertram Jacobus: there are so many things which would be godd if they were taught in school (!) ...
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,education would be a start
    Wol Euler: heh
    doug Sosa: well, time out, sitting, in class, no teacher going to interrupt, and he, sitting there, in that touchable...
    Bertram Jacobus: spiritual methods, social skills , media competence ...
    Wol Euler: there are only two things that schools really must teach, IMHO: how to read, and how to be curious.
    Wol Euler: someone who is curious and can read, can teach themselves anything else they need to know
    Mickorod Renard: thats true Wol,,I think Doug was just revisiting his curious period
    Bertram Jacobus: i disagree wol : people can live in bad surroundings, which don't let them learn, what is important for a nice society ...
    doug Sosa: my curios period? Implies a beginning - and an ending... :(
    Mickorod Renard: I seem to notice how the lads go through a period of not caring about their education
    Wol Euler: well, yes, I'll admit that it was slightly exaggerated :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Mickorod Renard: I think it starts with hormone change
    Bertram Jacobus: but i like the idea of teaching curiosity ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: but would that work ?
    Bertram Jacobus: hello fox
    Mickorod Renard: most probs I see is where intelligent lads get to about 14 and think they are 18,,and nothing else is important,,
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Fox
    Wol Euler: perhaps it can't be taught as such, but it can be encouraged -- or not beaten out of the kids, as some teachesr do.
    Wol Euler: hello fox
    Bertram Jacobus: ya wol (!) ...
    Mickorod Renard: beating is only a temptation
    Yakuzza Lethecus: fhi fox
    Mickorod Renard: never an option
    doug Sosa: what about shoing it rarther than teaching it. Imagine each day the teacher hides soemthing interesting.. start with candy, end up with poems, geometries, pictures, real anmals, real 9 sec?..
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, that parallels the way sesame street works - and it does work :)
    Mickorod Renard: I think in todays world of polittical correctness,,and religious(none),,that that is tried but indixvidually by certain teachers
    Mickorod Renard: but I think something could be introduced on a national level
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi qt
    Bertram Jacobus: hello qt ... ! :o)
    Wol Euler: National Don't Be An Ass Day :)
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Mickorod Renard: even something like Kamha
    Mickorod Renard: but spelt better
    Bertram Jacobus: kamha ? what's that please ?
    Bertram Jacobus: karma ?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,sorry
    Mickorod Renard: I will do lines
    Bertram Jacobus: ah okay. ty np :-)
    Mickorod Renard: like for eg,,the implications of wrong cjhoices
    Mickorod Renard: choices*
    Bertram Jacobus: i like the little star* ... :-)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Wol Euler looks for the footnote.
    Bertram Jacobus: lols :o)
    Mickorod Renard: wow
    Bertram Jacobus: hy arch :-)
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Arch
    Mickorod Renard: stabling outside mate
    Fox Monacular: wow
    Wol Euler: hello arch
    Mickorod Renard: where did you find the horse Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello wol
    doug Sosa: not good.
    Fox Monacular: I just switched windows for a moment, came back and saw... a horse
    Bertram Jacobus: i like it when footnotes are at the buttoms of the book sides and don't like them when they are at the end of the books ...
    Archmage Atlantis: I was told to prophesy
    Bertram Jacobus: bottoms*
    Bertram Jacobus: ?
    Qt Core: me too, bert
    Mickorod Renard: bottoms
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Wol Euler: ty, arch
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,me too Berty
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. so we are already three (!) ... :-)
    Fox Monacular: mee too , Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: and ty mick for helping me with "bottom" :-)
    Qt Core: (i love the footnotes in terry pratchett books ;-) )
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,I was hoping that it wouldnt be took too anal
    Wol Euler snorts
    Bertram Jacobus: no mick. i felt it as a nice help ! :-)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks
    doug Sosa: let's see, where were we?
    Wol Euler: teaching the implications of wrong choices.
    Wol Euler: gayabunny!
    Mickorod Renard: Hi gaya
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :) Sorry for being late - just came home from Tai Chi ...
    Bertram Jacobus: helllo gaya ! ... :-)
    Wol Euler: which I for one would find a good idea. Many people seem confused about the workings of Cause and Effect.
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,there is samsara too,,not sure what it is
    Gaya Ethaniel: Archmage ... I will unmute you now ... be nice.
    Bertram Jacobus: (tai chi !) ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: If you tell me what it means to be nice Gaya
    Bertram Jacobus: in which way confused wol ?
    Mickorod Renard: has Doug gone?
    Wol Euler: unable to perceive a correlation, e.g. between speeding and getting a ticket.
    Wol Euler: yep, he always leaves at exactly 1:30
    Bertram Jacobus: looks like mick. quietly ... ;-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Fox :)
    Wol Euler: wb fox
    Mickorod Renard: wb Fox
    Bertram Jacobus: wb fox :-)
    Fox Monacular: hello everyone, I'm not sure what happened
    Mickorod Renard: Fox,,are you doing a dream special tonite?
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's on a break until 12 Jan Mick.
    Fox Monacular: :), no it's on a breat
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ohh nooo
    Archmage Atlantis: Well first the dinosarurs cam
    Wol Euler: well... it would be rude to Maxine to do it wihtout her ...
    Fox Monacular: break
    Fox Monacular: In January there will hopefully be more metings
    Gaya Ethaniel nods :)
    Mickorod Renard: true,,it was just that i recieved a reminder about the class when I logged
    Wol Euler: heh, perhaps Vic didn't read Scath's mail?
    Fox Monacular: oh, definitely, Wol,
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh ... Fox is a lady ... :)
    Fox Monacular: I wasn't able to participate much in Maxine's workshop so far due to time constraints, but I'm very hopeful about January:)
    Fox Monacular: hehe
    Fox Monacular: I'm into steampunk these days:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I enjoyed the last one I attended,,as much as any,,and it was the one you did about sleep parlasis
    Mickorod Renard: paralysis
    Fox Monacular: thanks, Mick:)
    Wol Euler nods. That was fascinating, though I only caught the tail end
    Bertram Jacobus: i'll leave. ty all for the talk and have a nice time please ...
    Fox Monacular: there\s more to say:) U must admit the chat format is new to me, so despite my best efforts it didn't really go 'as planned":))
    Fox Monacular: take care Bert
    Wol Euler: 'night bert, take care
    Qt Core: bye bertram
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Bert :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye bert#
    Bertram Jacobus: i try to. ty all ... :-)
    Mickorod Renard: thanks for commin
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
    Wol Euler: bye yaku
    Wol Euler: schlaf gut
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not me
    Wol Euler: oh, sorry, you were talking ot him. Duh.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bert :)
    Archmage Atlantis: We chose not to have tails
    Gaya Ethaniel: A good steampunk shop - http://www.flickr.com/photos/grimbros/
    Fox Monacular: :) thanks Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: yw :)
    Mickorod Renard: I have never heqard of steam punk,,what is it?
    Wol Euler: pin the tail on the metaphor, perhaps.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Caledon is a good steampunk sim to visit Mick. You will get it when you get there :)
    Archmage Atlantis: wol is always quick
    Fox Monacular: it's an artistic/roleplaying/literary movement that blends victorian aesthetics with science fiction
    Wol Euler nods and smiles. Thank you.
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,sounds fun
    Qt Core: the train at the end of back from the future.for example
    Fox Monacular: there's currently an exhibition in Museum of natural history in Oxford on steampunk
    Mickorod Renard: I seem to be the only one ignorant
    Fox Monacular: and a friend of mine is one of the artists
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ... Oxford UK?
    Fox Monacular: a "retro-futuristic" style :))
    Fox Monacular: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: omg steampunk is old aready, andy w was correct
    Wol Euler: yeah, but it was born old, so that's ok.
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/steampunk/
    Fox Monacular: old, yes, Like Jules Verne is definitely steampunk
    Fox Monacular: but now there's a new enthusiasm
    Wol Euler: leonardo would definitely have been steampunk had he made more use of cast iron
    Fox Monacular: on that link from Gaya, 4th picture is my friend's work;)
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Wol Euler: ooooh, nice.
    Archmage Atlantis: and abraham was he steampunk?
    Gaya Ethaniel: It reminds me of Bogon Flux in SL - now gone.
    Fox Monacular: nice, steampunk Leonardo
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,I see that design and techno students are invited to exhibit too
    Gaya Ethaniel: That shop has something similar, and the eyeball moves and looks at you.
    Wol Euler: raimund abraham, austrian architect, is definitely steampunk though he would hit you if you said so.
    Wol Euler: the biblical Abraham? dunno. I think rather that he was a decent man in hard times
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Aiden
    Archmage Atlantis: funny many men try to be decent
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Widget
    Fox Monacular: Hi Aidan, Widget
    Archmage Atlantis: they get pushed to an edge
    Wol Euler: hello aidan, widget
    Wol Euler: nice tag, WW :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Hello all
    Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
    Widget Whiteberry: nice name, Wol
    Wol Euler: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD7xXBInhqs
    Gaya Ethaniel: Helo Aidan and Widget :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Hello
    Widget Whiteberry: Hello everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: I watched Japonese tv serveral hours today
    Fox Monacular: looks very cool, Gaya
    Mickorod Renard: I know I know you from WoK but have you been here at PaB before?
    Mickorod Renard: Aidan,,and Widget
    Gaya Ethaniel: Cutea Benelli who has the shop built that ... :)
    Aidan Spiritor: Yes?
    Gaya Ethaniel wonders why rekindled interests in steampunk ...
    Wol Euler: hiyo tarnished-silver! away!!
    Widget Whiteberry: nice horse!
    Archmage Atlantis: goodbye
    Gaya Ethaniel waves.
    Wol Euler: bye arch, take care
    Mickorod Renard: I think Steam punk must open doors to creatibvity,,in a way that is refreshing
    Mickorod Renard: bye Arch
    Fox Monacular: yes, I agree, it's an aesthetic that permits a lot of creative use
    Qt Core: http://www.datamancer.net/steampunklaptop/steampunklaptop.htm
    Mickorod Renard: and it doesnt seem too geeky..so its ok with most attitudes
    Fox Monacular: yes, this one is very famous
    Fox Monacular: and it works too
    Wol Euler: its ironies are quite modern and appealing, e.g. the cast-iron balloons
    Widget Whiteberry: it's quite beautiful, but i dont' understand the irony
    Qt Core: i like more mixing but keeping separate modern and ancient
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow, I'd like a laptop like that :)
    Qt Core: like a modern stylish but sober pc on an ancient desk
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good night everyone
    Fox Monacular: this is more like a fantasy - what would happen if all the technology that we have

    today was available in victorian times:)
    Mickorod Renard: this is quite inspirational for me,,I can introduce this to our students
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: d & t
    Widget Whiteberry: d&t?
    Mickorod Renard: design and technology
    Wol Euler: I love the little claw-toed feet on the laptop :)
    Widget Whiteberry: smiles
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Qt Core: read the different engine by gibson and sterling for some of that, fox
    Mickorod Renard: we are always short of budget too,,so we could construct stuff out of junk
    Mickorod Renard: call it steam punk,,voila
    Gaya Ethaniel: :D
    Mickorod Renard: its great
    Wol Euler: bob's your near paternal relative, as we way.
    Mickorod Renard: fed up with robots
    Mickorod Renard: yep,,he's good to me
    Gaya Ethaniel frowns ... googles ... 'bob's your near paternal relative.'
    Mickorod Renard: uncle
    Qt Core: he problem are not the robots but the underlying AI, positronic or not ;-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bob's your uncle?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,a saying
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah lol
    Wol Euler: what, haven't you heard that? It was a common expression when I lived in London
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you know the origin?
    Wol Euler: no, but I bet google does.
    Mickorod Renard: remind us Gaya
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob's_your_uncle
    Gaya Ethaniel: One of the british prime minister got the job because of his uncle 'Robert'. Can't remember whihc PM ...
    Wol Euler: aaaaah.
    Wol Euler: "It is a catchphrase sometimes claimed to date to 1887, when British Prime Minister Robert Cecil, Lord Salisbury decided to appoint Arthur Balfour to the prestigious and sensitive post of Chief Secretary for Ireland. Lord Salisbury was Arthur Balfour's uncle. The difficulty with that proposed explanation is that there is no contemporary documentation for it, and, despite extensive searching, the earliest known published uses of the phrase are from 1932 and two from 1937 and two from 1938 (these and other quotations at American Dialect Society list archived posts by Stephen Goranson)"
    Gaya Ethaniel scribbles ... use near paternal relative instead of uncle ... for extra laughs.
    Wol Euler pokes you.
    Gaya Ethaniel: :P
    Widget Whiteberry: thank you all for including me
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Widget :)
    Mickorod Renard: hey anytime Widget
    Wol Euler smiles. A privilege, widget, thank you
    Mickorod Renard: thanks for comming
    Widget Whiteberry: g'day all
    Mickorod Renard: nite
    Aidan Spiritor: Bye all..
    Wol Euler: bye aidan, take care
    Qt Core: have to go, bye all
    Mickorod Renard: bye Aidan,,thanks
    Wol Euler: bye qt, buonanotte
    Mickorod Renard: bye Qt,,cheers
    Qt Core: 'notte wol
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,a busy session compared with last week,,I was one of three
    Gaya Ethaniel: Is it?
    Wol Euler: let's move over
    Fox Monacular: I'll be going too... baby awoke really cranky...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Let's sit inside :)
    Fox Monacular: wow
    Gaya Ethaniel: Nice to see you Fox. Bye :)
    Wol Euler: oops, bye fox, take care
    Mickorod Renard: bye Fox
    Fox Monacular: how did you do it?
    Wol Euler: type "/9 menu" to find out :)
    Wol Euler: or is it /9 help?
    Mickorod Renard: magic
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Fox Monacular: wow
    Fox Monacular: cool
    Wol Euler: Storm at his best :)
    Fox Monacular: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Mickorod Renard: I may have to leave soon too,,didnt sleep well lastnight
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure, good rest is important :)
    Mickorod Renard: need sleep therapy Fox
    Wol Euler nods. Goodnight Mick, take care.
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,going then
    Fox Monacular: I hear you, Mick :) me too i dont sleep much these days
    Fox Monacular: bye Mick, Wol, Gaya
    Mickorod Renard: bye Fox
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Fox and Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,I will sneak away,,and perhaps post log tommorow
    Mickorod Renard: Wol,,wernt you doing a special session too in the week?
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: not that I know...
    Wol Euler: am I?
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,
    Mickorod Renard: maybe not
    Gaya Ethaniel: What kind?
    Wol Euler: could well be, there was something left hanging from the week before my holiday.
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,yes maybe
    Mickorod Renard: there seems to be sessions everywhere
    Wol Euler: breeding like rabbits (sorry, Gaya)
    Mickorod Renard: he he he
    Gaya Ethaniel: lol
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,nite nite

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