Page last modified 19:21, 9 Apr 2010 by wol

*The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.*

Wol Euler: hallo yaku, wie geht's?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Es, is ok, ich schaue gerade nach dem stromverbrauch meiner elektrogeräte.

--BELL--

Wol Euler: spannend! :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: Ja allerdings, ich habe ein gerät das 18W braucht aber auf dem netzteil steht 12V 1000ma

Yakuzza Lethecus: also das dürfte nur 12W schaffen wird auch knallheiss

Wol Euler: O.O

Wol Euler: kein wunder.

Yakuzza Lethecus: Mein wlanrouter

Yakuzza Lethecus: 18watt die ständig laufen

Wol Euler: vielleicht haben die eine falsche geliefert?

Wol Euler: was meint der Router selber schlucken zu wollen?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Der ist schon 5-6 Jahre alt.

Yakuzza Lethecus: Steht leider nicht drauf.

Wol Euler: aber google weist alles :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: Ja soll auch 18 Watt verbrauchen.

Wol Euler: ah, dann ist tatsächlich die falsche Trafo.

Yakuzza Lethecus: Das Netzteil ist auch richtig, mit dem Cisco Linksys logo

Yakuzza Lethecus: Good evening calvin

Wol Euler: hello calvin, welcome back.

Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: ah ok :)

Calvino Rabeni: good day. Yes.

Wol Euler: mmhmm, he was here mid-week

Yakuzza Lethecus: Does anyone of you have a topic in mind ?

Wol Euler: nope, sorry

Calvino Rabeni: I'm feeling lagged. Does anyone ever talk about hygeine for being in SL?

Wol Euler: hello Arch, nice to see you.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hi arch

Wol Euler: hygiene? as in switching off once in a while?

Archmage Atlantis: Ah, some of my favorite people :)

Wol Euler smiles

Archmage Atlantis: Hello, all

Yakuzza Lethecus: My SL hygiene is good right now, i don't spend more then 2-3 hrs logged in.

Yakuzza Lethecus: But most of that time i am not very mindful.

Archmage Atlantis: I'm experiencing lag also

Calvino Rabeni: well, the medium gets hooked into one's neurology, body sense and all that.

Wol Euler nods. Me toooooo.

Calvino Rabeni: so data latency can be experienced as physical tension

Wol Euler: it's easy to get addicted to SL, I think.

Calvino Rabeni: some people it can turn into chronic stuff, like RSI

Archmage Atlantis: Hey, for us homebound it is more real than life at times *grin*

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: hello ara

arabella Ella: hiya

Archmage Atlantis: Hiya Arabella

Wol Euler: the risk of getting addicted seems to be hardwired into our brains

Yakuzza Lethecus: guten abend ara

Wol Euler: people get addicted to alll kinds of very wierd stuff

Archmage Atlantis: That is a good topic, what is addiction

arabella Ella: guten abend Yaku :)

Archmage Atlantis: If a writer spends hours and days writing a book, is that addiction?

Wol Euler: it is if he thinks it is :)

arabella Ella: there may be a fine line between motivation and obsession i guess

Calvino Rabeni: canyou define addiction as a process

Wol Euler: I think the boundary line is volition. If you want to do it, it's a habit or a hobby; if you would rather not, but cannot stop, then it's an addiction

Wol Euler: or a job :)

arabella Ella nods

Archmage Atlantis: There are 100s of definations of addiction, usually used as judgements by other people

Wol Euler: there are good, positive, addictions too. A friend of mine says he's addicted to running every morning

Wol Euler: if he doesn'T get his fix, he is grumpy and fidgety all day

arabella Ella: but that is because running gives the body positive endorphins which become addictive

Wol Euler points to the last word of your sentence :)

Archmage Atlantis: Yes, they treat that addiction to physical activity here in some clinics

Calvino Rabeni: TV - addiction?

Wol Euler: yep, that too.

Wol Euler: gambling, lotteries

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Running anger with people - addiction?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Can we see a medium as addictive in itself ?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Is it the TV or is it the TV shows you get addicted from ?

Calvino Rabeni: :) typing during the silent period - technically, is that considered silent?

Calvino Rabeni: Nevermind

Wol Euler grins and shakes her head

Yakuzza Lethecus hides

Wol Euler: hello qt, gaya

arabella Ella: :)

Qt Core: hi all

arabella Ella: hiya Qt, Gaya

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt, gaya

Calvino Rabeni: If you turn off the aimation, noone knows you're typing to get your expression ready for when the bell rings.

Wol Euler: :)

Archmage Atlantis: My thought is that I can type what Is in my mind, but not hit send/say to interrupt otherrs

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)

Wol Euler: actually I like the animation, the cue that something is about to be said.

Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Gaya, QT

Wol Euler: I try not to buy animations that override it.

Calvino Rabeni: My thought is, the silence is for my mind, rather than not-disturbing-others.

Archmage Atlantis: My mind is silent when I type in the pause, the part of me that types is other

Archmage Atlantis: Each of us is different

Wol Euler: indeed :)

arabella Ella: Hiya Bert

Qt Core: the three points are even louder than what will appear after a while as they have the possibility of becoming everything

arabella Ella: Hiya Zon

Wol Euler: hello bertram, zon

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram and Zon :)

Zon Quar: hi all

Bertram Jacobus: hey all ! :-) ...

arabella Ella: three points?

Qt Core: the dots

Wol Euler: â€¦

arabella Ella: :)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Bertram Jacobus: this everything can even be nothing (!) ... :-)

Archmage Atlantis: Mathematically, a point has no dimension

Archmage Atlantis: Only location on a grid

Calvino Rabeni: three points define, a plane, but also, a series

Bertram Jacobus: thats a real mystery to me arch ! : we have the idea of a point but no experience of it (!) ...

Qt Core: but nonetheless so much math is about them ;-)

Archmage Atlantis: Mathematics and Philosophy are tied at the core

Calvino Rabeni: jokes always have three events, or rabbis, or whatever.

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: children's tales three brothers or sisters

Wol Euler: or bears

arabella Ella: but seven dwarfs

Wol Euler: mm, true.

Calvino Rabeni: My point is.

Bertram Jacobus: and mountains ara ... ;-)

Wol Euler: perhaps because they are so short?

arabella Ella: he he

Calvino Rabeni: Well the logic is different in narratology than numerology

Archmage Atlantis: Calvino, I think there were some studies done years ago that the current human brain only can count to 3

Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

arabella Ella: what do you mean Arch?

Qt Core: a little more, between 4 and 5

Calvino Rabeni: The mind loses interest after three

arabella Ella: sounds a bit counterintuitive

Archmage Atlantis: After that we start to combine, 1s, 2s, and 3s

Bertram Jacobus: the human brain can count ? if so at least mine can count more than 3 :-)

Wol Euler: depends what you mean by "count", perhaps.

Yakuzza Lethecus: or that the maximum we can memorize at once is about 7

Qt Core: the numbers of things you can "know" how many thai are not having to count them

Archmage Atlantis: Visualize I suppose would be better

arabella Ella: i heard that we can easily memorise lists of up to six items like a six number phone

Wol Euler: let's try that at the next bell :)

Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Neela :)

Wol Euler: a little workshop on counting.

Neela Blaisdale: Hello everyone:)

Wol Euler: start at one and count upwards, and watch yourself counting.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hello neela

Wol Euler: try to keep the numbers in mind.

Yakuzza Lethecus: have you been here before ?

Wol Euler: can you, as you count past 21 22 23 etc -- can you still hold and appreciate 1 and 14 in your mind?

Yakuzza Lethecus: ups nevermind

Neela Blaisdale: oh yes, just not too much in a wjile:)

Wol Euler: hello neela, nice to see you

Bertram Jacobus: hi neela ... :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: ur even in the group :)

Qt Core: but don't imagine sheeps while counting ;-)

Gaya Ethaniel: :)

Calvino Rabeni: Do you have a body sense of how many avatars here here inthe circle?

Archmage Atlantis: That is a good question Calvino

Calvino Rabeni: THe kind of counting crows do, perhaps.

Wol Euler: with my eyes open I would say yes :)

Bertram Jacobus: my body sense might say : some ... (?)

Wol Euler: counting now ...

Bertram Jacobus: and my brain counts 10 :-)

--BELL--

Wol Euler smiles. Any comments?

Bertram Jacobus: 63

Qt Core: i kept seeing a list of the number going away in the background

Qt Core: white numbers disappearing in darkness

Bertram Jacobus: a bit more concious then at other times, may be because of the group support ...

Qt Core: and the counting was trying to get in sync with breathing

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: when I stopped that, it tried to sync with my heartbeat instead :)

Wol Euler: I tried to keep contact with the numbers, to keep them in my mind as I continued to count

Wol Euler: like putting rubber ducklings into the circle of my arms in the bath :)

Wol Euler: but found I couldn't keep track of them, couldn't hold on to them.

Wol Euler: only two or three number were ever "present" at one time

Wol Euler: I knew that I had counted the rest, but htey were somehow past and detached

Gaya Ethaniel: You mean you had lost a focus somewhat after 3?

Bertram Jacobus: ;-)

Archmage Atlantis: Grouped or cataloged

Archmage Atlantis: Not lost

Wol Euler: rather that my focus ws only broad enough to hold about three numbers at once

Gaya Ethaniel: Or ... your focus 'expanded' in a way instead?

Qt Core: i got 1,13 and 14 keeping to grasp my attention

Wol Euler: my "present moment" was only big enough to hold three, the rest became "past"

Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok

Wol Euler: yes arch, not lost as such, but not immediately present, I knew they were there but could not touch thtem

Calvino Rabeni: is there a greater present moment, or is consciousness a keyhole view?

Archmage Atlantis: Interesting observation

Archmage Atlantis: Calvino

Archmage Atlantis: I can only say that keyholes are views

Archmage Atlantis: stolen

Archmage Atlantis: imho

Bertram Jacobus: humble ? ;-)

arabella Ella: snapshots perhaps

Wol Euler: like the sequence of still frames of a movie, to use Pema's favourite metaphor

Archmage Atlantis: What would you ask me Berrtram

Bertram Jacobus: whether your opinion is really humble arch (?) ...

Calvino Rabeni: it just seems - introspection is fraught

Wol Euler: it's a convention of speech, bert :)

Archmage Atlantis: It is an acknowledgement that I do not know everything

Bertram Jacobus: i know wol, but it always makes me ... taking it litterally - bad ?

Wol Euler: only insofar as it is usually not meant literally, except as Arch said.

Wol Euler: when someone says "I died laughing" they usually don't mean "... and am now a rotting corpse"

arabella Ella: you could replace it with 'as far as i know' or 'to the best of my knowledge'

Archmage Atlantis: It is not how I would say it in RL

Archmage Atlantis: I am trying to learn the conventions of speach in this place

arabella Ella: :)

Wol Euler smiles

Bertram Jacobus: impressing example wol ! ... hm ... ;-)

Calvino Rabeni: metaphors have uncanny power

Bertram Jacobus: but - the tibetans say : relativity should be taken as precise (and fine) as farina ...

Wol Euler: (another pause coming up, does anyone have a suggestion?)

Archmage Atlantis: What is a metaphor?

--BELL--

Gaya Ethaniel frowns ... thought Archmage is a poet ...

Calvino Rabeni: metaphor is the tructure of thought

Calvino Rabeni: structure

Calvino Rabeni: or the story behind it

Gaya Ethaniel: Good night :)

Wol Euler: a metaphor is a comparison, an image that brings two things together that don't actually belong together

Yakuzza Lethecus: night gaya

Bertram Jacobus: nighty nite gaya ! ... :-)

Wol Euler: bye gaya

Archmage Atlantis: Night Gaya, thank you for being here

Neela Blaisdale: bye Gaya

Wol Euler: "he's a bear when he's angry"

Wol Euler: or "the world is your oyster"

arabella Ella: brb

Calvino Rabeni: don't belong together *by convention*. So the definition is relative to convention.

Archmage Atlantis: All of a sudden I feel all eyes upon me

Archmage Atlantis: Obviously delusion

Wol Euler: or don't belong together by fact. He remains a member of the species Homo Sapiens when angry.

Wol Euler: heh, don't worry, Arch.

Bertram Jacobus: re yaku (?) ;-)

Wol Euler: ah, there you are :) your nametag appeared nearly a minute before you did

Neela Blaisdale: the appearance of Yakuzza....:)

Bertram Jacobus: ty all for the talk - have a great time . and may all beings be happy please ! ...

Neela Blaisdale: Bye Bert:)

Wol Euler: goodnight bert, take care

Archmage Atlantis: Keep learning Bertram

Wol Euler: :)

Qt Core: 'night bert

Archmage Atlantis: That is brave

Neela Blaisdale: what is brave, Arch?

Archmage Atlantis: To continue to learn

Neela Blaisdale: Ah...

arabella Ella: back

Wol Euler: wb

Calvino Rabeni: who's got a favorite metaphor?

arabella Ella: i have many

Wol Euler: "the world is your lobster"

Archmage Atlantis: please share

arabella Ella: where there's a will there's a way

Neela Blaisdale: l0l"\:)

Calvino Rabeni: how about one you live inside?

Wol Euler: interesting idea, calvino, can you suggest one like that?

Calvino Rabeni: yes. two that come to mind.

Calvino Rabeni: the wheel of karma (makes me dizzy, I just want to get off)....

Calvino Rabeni: My mind is a container. An empty one. (not really)

arabella Ella: :)

arabella Ella: cool

Wol Euler: nice examples.

Calvino Rabeni: Another - "zombie". Really popular on TV these last couple years.

Archmage Atlantis: Yak gave me one another day recently

Wol Euler: mmm?

--BELL--

arabella Ella: will you share it?

Archmage Atlantis: I was observing him, so not really fair to share it

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also curioius :)

Wol Euler grins. Pretty please?

Archmage Atlantis: I do not have the original poem

Archmage Atlantis: But the essence came from a time when he was here when I arrived

Archmage Atlantis: And only his avatar remained for the session

Archmage Atlantis: "we are seen, but unseen

Archmage Atlantis: We are here but not here

Archmage Atlantis: We are'

Wol Euler nods

Archmage Atlantis: that's it

arabella Ella: cool

arabella Ella: and so true

arabella Ella: fraid i must go nite all

Calvino Rabeni: bye

Qt Core: bye ara

Wol Euler: ha, I turn away for a moment ...

Archmage Atlantis: It is time, an hour is long to us

Wol Euler: true, I too shold be moving on. It's been a great discussion, thank you all.

Wol Euler: goodnight, take care.

Qt Core: bye wol

Neela Blaisdale: Bye Arch

Qt Core: and bye arch

Neela Blaisdale: Me too Bye everyone

Zon Quar: namaste

Calvino Rabeni: any topics in the air?

Yakuzza Lethecus: night

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