2009.11.22 07:00 - Ungathered Together

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble . The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    Adams Rubble: Hello Paul
    Paul Namiboo: Hello Adams -- and good morning
    Paul Namiboo: I've been on the road for amonth, so this is my first visit in about that time. You?
    Adams Rubble: Ahhh, I hope it was good trip. I am gathering myself togther this morning :)
    Adams Rubble: It must feel good to be home
    Paul Namiboo: I'm so time-lagged I couldn't gather me if I wanted to!
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: we can be ungathred together then :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Widget :)
    Paul Namiboo: Good morning Widget -- we're gathering ourselves
    Adams Rubble: Take your time Widget
    Adams Rubble: In the BIble God created the waters before land I believe
    Paul Namiboo: But what did he do in SL?
    Adams Rubble: Good question...or what is He doing in SL?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: we lost Widget anyway
    Paul Namiboo: Do you know him/her?
    Adams Rubble: hehe. Widget or God?
    Paul Namiboo: Either :)
    Adams Rubble: I've met Widget here before :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, Paul . Sorry to be late :)
    Paul Namiboo: Hello Eliza
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza. It is OK, we are ungathered together this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: Paul, wow, that bottle has lasted a lifetime
    Eliza Madrigal: ungathered? :)
    Paul Namiboo: No problem, we're facing the awful task of gathering ourselves together -- I'm still on Australian time
    Adams Rubble: Paul just asked me if I know God
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: What a way to start the day :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Paul Namiboo: The great thing about my '45 Mounton is not only does it last, I never get a hangover!
    Adams Rubble: It is a good way to start a heated discussion :)
    Eliza Madrigal settles in by the fire
    Adams Rubble: You can decide if I mean God or the bottle
    Eliza Madrigal: Paul, funny. That reminds me of Pema's 'engine running on no fuel' analogy
    Paul Namiboo: Remember what Houseman said: "Malt does more than Milton can to justify god's word to man"
    Eliza Madrigal: People try to put God in a box, stick a label on... guess God can go in a bottle too...heh
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Qt! :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Qt :)
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Paul Namiboo: Hi QT
    Paul Namiboo: Well, we all just solved the theological problems of the universe -- not bad for an early morning
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Qt Core: and i lost the answer for what 10 seconds ? ;)
    Paul Namiboo: The answer is '45 Mouton :)
    Eliza Madrigal: "You know you've created a God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do" Anne Lammot
    Paul Namiboo: Great!
    Paul Namiboo: Doi any of you know how I can pass Onigokko (dance script) on to someone else?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Coucouille
    Coucouille Morigi: hi all
    Paul Namiboo: Hi Coucouille
    Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Coucouille?
    Qt Core: most of the people here have it, sin't dragging the item on other avs enough ?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone :)
    Qt Core: hi Coucouille
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Coucouille :)
    Coucouille Morigi: yes i've been here before
    Qt Core: and hi sophia too
    Coucouille Morigi: i've seen nice people so i come vback
    Adams Rubble: nice to meet you Coucouille :)
    Coucouille Morigi: me too
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Coucouille, Nice to meet you :)
    Eliza Madrigal: This morning we talked about god in a bottle... Hm... what else... :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Actually, that makes me think of Rumi and 'god drunk poets"
    Eliza Madrigal: Your mic is on Paul...
    Coucouille Morigi: i hope there are another topics!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: courcouille, Sure....what would you like to discuss? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (is partly afk, sorry)
    Coucouille Morigi: humm nice question
    Coucouille Morigi: i'm like in an interview
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Coucouille Morigi: with you ' in front of me
    Eliza Madrigal: Are you familiar with what we like to do here, micro-meditations and such?
    Coucouille Morigi: yeah
    Coucouille Morigi: i'd like this find a subject is too hard for me at this time
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, its easy if we don't think about doing it... and just do it...
    Adams Rubble: Hello Moana :)
    Adams Rubble: Have you been here before Moana?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Moana, welcome back Paul
    Coucouille Morigi: but doesn't exist for me
    Eliza Madrigal: stop in the pause to "let go of what we have, to see what we are"
    Coucouille Morigi: so in a bottle
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Moana :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, thats okay too Coucouville
    Adams Rubble: We are as a Play as Being group Moana
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure
    Adams Rubble: wb Paul
    Adams Rubble: I will give you a notecard that tells a bit about us
    Wol Euler: hello everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol, didnt see you come in :)
    Coucouille Morigi: hi wol
    Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
    Adams Rubble: Moana, we try to stop every fifteen minutes to stop for nine seconds
    Adams Rubble: we meet here to talk about our experiences
    Adams Rubble: The group meets four times a day
    Adams Rubble: you are welcome to join any of the sessions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more about what you mean about bottling, Coucouville???
    Adams Rubble: The bottling comes from us Sharon :)
    Moana Pooraka: thanks Adams, will hand here for a bit and lurk if ok.
    Qt Core: hi wol
    Coucouille Morigi: ABout Bottling?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: we seem to have put God in a bottle this morning
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i like to think I unbottle
    Adams Rubble: quite by accident in our ungathering together
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Arabella :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Arabella :)
    Coucouille Morigi: hi ara
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... like that Sharon... uncontaining... :)
    Qt Core: ara :)
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, sometimes (like when i first came to PaB, it unbottled in a big burst
    Adams Rubble: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, say more?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: am more conscious of that occuring
    Adams Rubble: I know what you mean Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not examining, just feeling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: riding the wave
    Paul Namiboo: still trobl Bye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh sorry Paul, bye for now
    Adams Rubble: bye Paul. Hope you get some good rest
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm... nice.. so not trying to figure it out, Sharon, just noticing?
    arabella Ella: bye Paul
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Paul :) Cheers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm, a part of me always wants to 'figure it out'
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but accepting this is not so, and appreciating what is there
    Adams Rubble: Good to learn that while it is fun to figure things out, we don;t have to
    Adams Rubble learning slowly
    Adams Rubble: very slowly :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think in artistic terms, unbottling is when artist who start later in life, have a huge burst of productivity when they discover their talent
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just a strange association, sorry :)
    Eliza Madrigal: No, that's fantastic... late bloomers... A year ago there was a marvelous article which highlighted so many who came into their own in 40s...50s...
    arabella Ella: i think it makes a lot of sense, not only for artists, but it may have more of a link with motivation
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it was the New Yorker, very inspiring to think that later in life some are just beginning :)
    Eliza Madrigal: How so ara?
    arabella Ella: there is a stage in life when we are more motivated somehow ...
    arabella Ella: perhaps less constrained by other stuff which previously held us back
    arabella Ella: less risk
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    Adams Rubble: yes, seeing what we are rather than what we have :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this can apply to spiritual matters also
    arabella Ella: exactly
    Qt Core: or the urge to do something with sald life
    arabella Ella: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Wol Euler: yes, eliza, I remember that, contrasting Picasso (peak around 21) with Matisse (peak in his late 60s)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    Adams Rubble: Well, both had long productive careers
    Adams Rubble: peaking argumentative
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Wol Euler: the executive summary was "if Matisse had had career counselling, he'd never have become a painter"
    Adams Rubble: sorry, that is the "know-it-all" Art Historian speaking
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool Adams :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Adams Rubble: Don't forget Grandma Moses who started painting abround 65
    Adams Rubble: and continued into her 90s
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: except fael i guess :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh there were wrong ppl in the cache of my radar
    Qt Core: i have to go, may be back later (or not :) )
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye qt
    Wol Euler: ciao qt
    Eliza Madrigal: Fantastic, thanks for the knowledgeable contrasts, Wol and Adams...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (giggles at the thought of a 90 years old lady with brushes tucked behind her ears)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Qt, and Morning Ya :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yak, buue Qt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Qt, Hi Yakuzza
    Moana Pooraka: Thank you for your welcome. I must go now. I'll be back, and contribute another time.
    Adams Rubble: bye Moana
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Moana :)
    Adams Rubble: If we focus on the present there is no barrier of age
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Adams Rubble: anything is possible
    Eliza Madrigal: MMM :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Potential
    Adams Rubble: we can start bover anytime :)
    Adams Rubble: over
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that idea really does highlight drop what you have
    Wol Euler: back, hello yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, for sure Sharon... drop age...
    Adams Rubble: or anything else in the way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i meant to start over anytime, you'd drop all ideas about the life you once lead
    Eliza Madrigal: I heard someone say about meditating on impermanence, that accepting death was easier than accepting aging
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: heh, I can see that.
    arabella Ella: a different sort of inevitability I guess ... death and age
    Wol Euler: death certainly is less worrying than the thought of a decade of helpless decrepitude
    arabella Ella: that is so scarey Wol
    Wol Euler nods soberly.
    Adams Rubble: if we focus on the present we can accept anything
    arabella Ella: yes ... our being here and now
    Adams Rubble: Then it is what it is
    Adams Rubble: decrepituide is something we have, not what we are
    Adams Rubble: or may have (giggles)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    arabella Ella: it is something ppl have that makes then what they are
    Wol Euler: sorry to put such a downer on hte group.
    Adams Rubble: disagree Arabaella
    Adams Rubble: It doesn;t have to
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, and well I suppose it must help life/potential to flow, when we don't try to hold onto it tightly
    arabella Ella: depends on gravity i guess
    Adams Rubble: or on how we hold on to it Arabella
    arabella Ella: perhaps i took it to mean an extreme when we dont even have the ability to hold on to anything anymore ... apologies if i misunderstood
    Adams Rubble: It is a tricky area Arabella
    Eliza Madrigal: "I ache in the places where I used to play..."
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm where is that from Eliza ?
    Adams Rubble: but there seems to be a timeless part of ourselves
    Eliza Madrigal: Leonard Cohen ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks
    Adams Rubble: that part doesn;t change
    Eliza Madrigal: who at a concert said "Fifteen years ago I was just a 60 year old kid with a dream"
    arabella Ella: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smilkes
    Wol Euler: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: umm
    Eliza Madrigal: :) So inspiring
    Adams Rubble: Time for us to move to the Village Hall
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    Wol Euler: ah, yes.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: jep
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh!..wow yes...see you all there :)
    arabella Ella: c u all there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: will be parked here for a min, be right there
    Wol Euler: bfn
    Adams Rubble: yep
    Adams Rubble waves
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