2009.11.25 19:00 - Supreme Creator

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    Calvino Rabeni asked about YSBS and I relay a story about my experience at the recent Princeton Retreat

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello

    stevenaia Michinaga: I was tending to the turkey for a moment


    Calvino Rabeni: quiet night in SL I think

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: I didn;t check the online populations when I logged on

    Calvino Rabeni: There's a bell for the 90 secs, which comes considerably after the text notice. Is that by design, I wonder?

    stevenaia Michinaga: I usually have the sound off, but there could be a lag

    stevenaia Michinaga: I see the text and assume the bell has sounded

    Calvino Rabeni: Anything on your mind tonight?

    stevenaia Michinaga: I was thinking back to the recent retreat just now, actually, there was a pond and we did a YSBS (You Seeing Being Seeing) exercise

    stevenaia Michinaga: so it was longer than the 10 minute exercises we were doing previously, siting still overlooking the natural setting of the pond earlier in the day

    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think I know what YSBS means.

    stevenaia Michinaga: we all walked around the pond, choosing direction and path on our own

    stevenaia Michinaga: you can look it up on the Wiki, but I will try to explain

    stevenaia Michinaga: (from a novice perspective)

    stevenaia Michinaga: to me it embodies the "Play" part of Play as Being

    stevenaia Michinaga: you first are the viewer Seeing Being, them you switch to Being seeing.... whatever that means to you, the observational point is changed or reversed and see what comes of it

    stevenaia Michinaga: so you "Play' Being seeing

    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes you see you , other times you just see... from a point outside you

    Calvino Rabeni: was this presented as a technique, or do you use your imagination to try to get it?

    stevenaia Michinaga: shall we try at the next bell in a minute

    stevenaia Michinaga: just as a guide

    stevenaia Michinaga: a framework of structured meditation for me

    stevenaia Michinaga: what it means is what it mean to you

    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s an interesting shift for me :)


    Calvino Rabeni: Might take a while to get it :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: it began as a 9 second moment

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rowan

    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome to a quiet evening

    Rowan Masala: hello

    Rowan Masala: Calvino's not a Gar alt, is he?

    stevenaia Michinaga: Cal this is Rowan, a former Guardian :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: no

    Rowan Masala: kk

    Rowan Masala: you know, the whole "tell me a story" thing with Gar

    Rowan Masala: nice to meet you, Cal

    Calvino Rabeni: Rowan, pleasure is mine.

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it did remind me of our friend Gar, who always wants to be ld a story

    stevenaia Michinaga: what group is that from, Cal?

    Calvino Rabeni: It is from Storytellers Guild of SL

    stevenaia Michinaga: perfect

    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not really active in it, but I like the tag line, and like open mic events

    Rowan Masala: poet?

    Calvino Rabeni: I try to do it in RL, but am a novice

    Calvino Rabeni: Storyteller

    Rowan Masala nods

    Calvino Rabeni: I have a mentor, but only recently

    Rowan Masala: I've never been to a storytelling open mic

    stevenaia Michinaga: so I was telling Cal about one of the exercises from the retreat and how the group of us walked around a pond at IAS for 15-30 minutes and meditated

    Calvino Rabeni: Poetry open mic?

    Rowan Masala nods

    Calvino Rabeni: IN RL also?

    Rowan Masala nods

    Rowan Masala: but not often

    Calvino Rabeni: I like that

    stevenaia Michinaga: I;ve seen you in Sl reading your Poetry Rowan

    stevenaia Michinaga: (once)

    stevenaia Michinaga: it was amazing

    Rowan Masala blushes

    Rowan Masala: once was plenty

    stevenaia Michinaga: so let me finish my short story........

    Rowan Masala: forgive me - I just got an IM from someone with a pituitary tumor. will be involved in an IM for a bit

    stevenaia Michinaga: understand...

    stevenaia Michinaga: after this walk thinking about being seeing and returning to the conference room overlooking the lake

    Calvino Rabeni: did you sit or keep walking?

    stevenaia Michinaga: I was relaying how amazing the state of the environment was , the leaves, lake sun, light on the water, breeze blowing, it was very difficult to simply internalize the direction of my thinking

    stevenaia Michinaga: we sat and gathered our thoughts

    stevenaia Michinaga: usually I would meditate with my eyes closed and create my own journey

    stevenaia Michinaga: walking in nature and seeing the beauty only thought of some supreme creator as what else could create such beauty

    stevenaia Michinaga: quite different from my usual thinking about seeing and being


    stevenaia Michinaga: everything about the walk and surroundings was so close to perfection

    Calvino Rabeni: That was a good story

    stevenaia Michinaga: it was unexpected

    stevenaia Michinaga: but perfectly appropriate

    stevenaia Michinaga: have you looked through the Wiki?

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Frequently_Asked_Questions

    stevenaia Michinaga: a good starting point

    Calvino Rabeni: There is a lot on the wiki. And in Piet's pages. I read all the intro stuff. Not that much of the chat logs.

    Calvino Rabeni: Is there a method with the logs - have the guardians been charged with working at it in some way?

    stevenaia Michinaga: method? the logs are just posts of these sessions with commentary

    stevenaia Michinaga: there are summaries, distillation in 3 day groups where an individual guardian distills what they feel is "good stuff" and posts that in the Scribe Project section

    stevenaia Michinaga: so 12 sessions are distilled as each sees fit

    stevenaia Michinaga: that did not begin for quite a while after we began posting logs, originally it was a blog before a more clever soul thought a Wiki would be a better structure and all was transferred over

    stevenaia Michinaga: and here we are

    Calvino Rabeni: there was an idea of tagging. Perhaps it is meant for a retrospective study in the future.

    Calvino Rabeni: Memory aid

    stevenaia Michinaga: if I remember I tag, we are supposed to tag the dates but I'm bit sure how that is used after the log is posted

    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking of ways in which it must bias what happens

    stevenaia Michinaga: *not sure

    stevenaia Michinaga: you can search thought the Wiki on any word

    Calvino Rabeni: I have done that

    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, even the commentary have their bias, everything does

    Calvino Rabeni: A different bias

    stevenaia Michinaga: usually the commentary as I saw it used early on became a very effective way of leading the reader in a story telling way

    Calvino Rabeni: FOr instance, most groups that want to encourage "authenticity" have an agreement of confidentiality. BUt that is not present in this arrangement.

    stevenaia Michinaga: someone enters, a topic appears, etc

    Calvino Rabeni: I enjoyed the narrative style of some of the comments.

    stevenaia Michinaga: there have been but a scant few moments where confidentiality was exercised, usually after agreement or discussion


    stevenaia Michinaga: but in the end it rested with the Guardian on Call as to whether things are posted, edited or deleted in the best interest of what the Guardian feels most appropriate for the situation

    Calvino Rabeni: i see

    stevenaia Michinaga: it is not usually done casually

    Calvino Rabeni: it is a well-mannered group. The sharpest thing I've seen was a kind of confrontation with Mary. Otherwise I'd expect there not to be much heat.

    stevenaia Michinaga: brb, basting turkey (hold that thought)

    stevenaia Michinaga: back

    Calvino Rabeni: You know Bohm Dialogue?

    stevenaia Michinaga: no

    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohm_Dialogue

    Calvino Rabeni: I forget which Kira activities you do?

    stevenaia Michinaga: just this

    Calvino Rabeni: Not WOK, Time?

    Rowan Masala: sort of back

    Calvino Rabeni: WB

    stevenaia Michinaga: I read those when I can, but rarely attend

    Rowan Masala: poor guy is flying out to San Francisco (from the east coast) for the neurosurgery

    Calvino Rabeni: OK.

    stevenaia Michinaga: oh my

    Calvino Rabeni: Rowan, are you in medical profession?

    Rowan Masala: no - just subject to it

    Rowan Masala: lol

    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    Rowan Masala: have had a lot of surgery

    Calvino Rabeni: FIrst hand knowledge

    Rowan Masala nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: not sure we are a group of free association, but you wouldn't know that for much of the time

    Calvino Rabeni: An SL person named Sunfire has a group that meets at Thotica Sim.

    Calvino Rabeni: There are some similarities

    Calvino Rabeni: Talking to a buddhist friend today about it.

    Calvino Rabeni: There is a balance in contemplative dialogue (or individual practice too I suppose)

    Calvino Rabeni: Between looking at what "is" and trying to see through or into i.

    Calvino Rabeni: into IT, i meant


    Calvino Rabeni: From my short experience, PAB seems a kind of contemplation

    stevenaia Michinaga: this is all new to me so I am finding it very interesting

    Calvino Rabeni: It can't be explained too much though, because that makes it available to more variety of people

    Calvino Rabeni: Steve you seem to have Beginners MInd, which is good to have

    stevenaia Michinaga: there are may people far more familiar with contemplative thinking that I

    stevenaia Michinaga: *than

    stevenaia Michinaga: I expect I will always have a beginners mind

    Calvino Rabeni: hope so

    Calvino Rabeni: everyone has some special abilities

    stevenaia Michinaga: but the nice thing I enjoy is, for the most part here is, there is no wrong way :)

    Calvino Rabeni: that is a good thing I agree

    stevenaia Michinaga: brb, turkey needs its temperature taken

    Calvino Rabeni: There's kind of a wrong way I feel - maybe common sense, but not good to get really critical of anything

    Calvino Rabeni: OK

    stevenaia Michinaga: back

    stevenaia Michinaga: depends on the exercise, O suppose

    stevenaia Michinaga: I

    stevenaia Michinaga: there was an individual here once who put it this way... whatever arises, arises perfectly

    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Brunno, care to join us?

    stevenaia Michinaga: poof...gone

    Calvino Rabeni: shy

    Calvino Rabeni: I like the dialogue.


    Calvino Rabeni: I do quite a lot of contemplation otherwise

    stevenaia Michinaga: I fins much of what I do at work results in it;s own contemplative state for me

    stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Eden

    Calvino Rabeni: something specific?

    Calvino Rabeni: Good to see you , Eden

    stevenaia Michinaga: I draw and problem solve

    Calvino Rabeni: sounds creative

    stevenaia Michinaga: empties your mind and fills it with focused creativity

    stevenaia Michinaga: nods

    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes for hours at a time

    Eden Haiku: Nice to see you all. Sorry to be so late, I had a lot of problems logging in tonite.

    Calvino Rabeni: I have a dogma allergy, and luckily this group feels pretty clear

    Calvino Rabeni: thanks:

    Eden Haiku: What have you been talking about if I may ask? ;-)

    stevenaia Michinaga: a very large majority of the time

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Angelina

    Calvino Rabeni: I think your mic may be on, Eden

    Eden Haiku: Yes, sorry.I did not know voice chat worked here...

    stevenaia Michinaga: recently about contemplation and taking my turkey;s temperature

    Eden Haiku: Is it ok now?

    stevenaia Michinaga: brb

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I don't year you typing any more Eden

    Eden Haiku: Oh right, it is Thanksgiving tomorrow in the US. Happy Thanksgiving!

    Eden Haiku: Ouf!

    Calvino Rabeni: Traditional to eat a huge bird

    Eden Haiku: We do that here too , for Christmas and New Year. I ordered some fresh bio birds today.

    Calvino Rabeni: BOTH occasions - two birds, one week apart?

    stevenaia Michinaga: we celebrated Canadian thanksgiving a few weeks ago here with friends

    Rowan Masala: gotta go

    Rowan Masala: nice to meet you Cal

    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Rowan

    Calvino Rabeni: Likewise, talk to you again then.

    Eden Haiku: Yes. First one is rehearsal for the big family event. First one with friends only ;-)

    Calvino Rabeni: nice idea

    Eden Haiku: Bye Rowan.

    Eden Haiku: Hope I have a chance to meet you some other time;-)

    Eden Haiku: I love your skirt!

    Calvino Rabeni: It was fun

    Rowan Masala: Thanks Eden

    Rowan Masala: see you soon

    Eden Haiku: ;-)

    Eden Haiku: Steve's head is in his oven...

    stevenaia Michinaga: not at the moment

    Eden Haiku: Sorry...

    stevenaia Michinaga: but shortly

    Calvino Rabeni: One of the meetings here I enjoyed - that was fun, was where someone different would come up with the focus idea for each timeout.

    stevenaia Michinaga: timeout...smiles

    Calvino Rabeni: I felt, seeing through others' eyes

    stevenaia Michinaga: Eos does that well

    stevenaia Michinaga: care to suggest one?

    Calvino Rabeni: Be everybody at thanksgiving?


    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, almost tomorrow here

    Eden Haiku: I'm not sure if you meant connection with all-others, but I tried that, on a a very small scale. Interesting to see how small it was.

    Calvino Rabeni: Late for bird watching :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Eden Haiku: Bye Steve, always nice to see you.

    Calvino Rabeni: It worked for me...

    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, thanks for dropping in

    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Stevenaia

    stevenaia Michinaga: night

    Calvino Rabeni: YW

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