2009.11.26 13:00 - Happy Thanksgiving to all Corvis!

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera, standing in for Storm. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi there Eden!
    Pema Pera: And hi Yakuzza!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good day,evening everyone
    Pema Pera: I expect we'll see few people from the US this afternoon :)
    Eden Haiku: Hi Pema, Yaku...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: happy thanksgiving pema :)
    Pema Pera: all eating, or digesting, Thansgivings dinner
    Pema Pera: And indeed, anoher European! Hi Vendy!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i also already learned that kanada had it a few weeks ago
    Eden Haiku: hello Vendy!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so that was my first mistake today and i won´t repeat that eden :)
    Vendy Walpole: Hello all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello vendy
    Vendy Walpole: I am so happy I was able to teleport myself finaly today
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Vendy Walpole: I was suffering with sl whole day
    Pema Pera: SL has had some difficulties the last few days, it seems
    Vendy Walpole: :)
    Eden Haiku: I also had problems logging yesterday...
    Vendy Walpole: today is my worst in sl
    Pema Pera: Hi Synergy!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello synergy
    Vendy Walpole: but this time tp worked
    Pema Pera: Fee free to join us!
    Eden Haiku: Hi Synergy.
    Vendy Walpole: Hello Synergy
    Vendy Walpole: I invited my friend Synergy to attend
    Wol Euler: hello invisibles
    Eden Haiku: Cornuscova, nice to see you again!
    Pema Pera: Nice to meet you, Synergy!
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: nice to see you, Eden!
    Eden Haiku: Wol, how are you?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: please call me Corvi, cause it's easier.
    It seemed that Corvi was the only US citizen in our midst, even though we would get 11 avatars in total; not surprising, given that it was Thanksgiving afternoon.
    Pema Pera: hi Wol !
    Pema Pera: and hi Corvi!
    Wol Euler: hello eden, vendy, pema
    Vendy Walpole: Hello Wol
    Vendy Walpole: Hi Fox
    Eden Haiku: Ok Corvi, much easier yes ;-)
    Pema Pera: Syn, did Vendy tell you about our group? We get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fox
    Vendy Walpole: Syn please take a seat
    Eden Haiku: Bonjour Fox!
    Pema Pera: hi Fox!
    Vendy Walpole: I did not say all
    Fox Monacular: hello everyone
    Pema Pera: and hi Qt!
    Wol Euler: hello fox
    Vendy Walpole: about recording did not
    Wol Euler: eden, I'm well thanks, and you?
    Qt Core: hi all
    Eden Haiku: Hello Qt...
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Eden Haiku: Good, thnaks ;-)
    Eden Haiku: It is fun to see so many people!
    Pema Pera: yes, indeed!
    Vendy Walpole: Syn is busy in his kitchen
    Pema Pera: more than I expected during/after the turkey
    Vendy Walpole: until next time
    Qt Core: just wait we start to talk, then the fun begin ;-)
    Wol Euler: ah yes, happy turkey day to the Americans :)
    Vendy Walpole: Happy Holiday
    Synergy Watanabe: hope you don't mind if I just sit, I will be back
    Pema Pera: Is Corvi here the only real American today?
    Wol Euler looks around.
    Eden Haiku: Happy Thanksgiving to all Americans!
    Pema Pera: to all Corvis!
    Eden Haiku: To all Corvis!
    And so the title of our session spontaneously appeared. :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles.
    Qt Core: just seen a pic of a turkey filled with a duck filled with a chicken (quite a medieval kind of recipe the multi filling)
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Vendy Walpole: hmmm
    Fox Monacular: wow
    Fox Monacular: was there an egg in the chicken?
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Pema Pera: and a very small chicken inside the egg?
    Qt Core: i remember a lesson where the history teacher read us about a medieval lunch, the external animal was a ox
    Qt Core: and ended with an eggs or something like that
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that would take a long time to cook.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: by the time the egg was done the ox would be charcoal!
    Wol Euler: absolutely.
    Qt Core: i hated it as it was about 1pm and we haven't eaten yet
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: much better to have a little bird and cook the stuffing on the side.
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: then we vegetarians get to eat it too.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: giggles.
    Wol Euler: I liked Thanksgiving turkey but I hated the week or 10 days of leftovers and soup made from it.
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Wol Euler: really, these are **huge** birds.
    Pema Pera: the neverending turkey
    Corvi came up with a pretty amazing notion:
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we used to eat turkey popsicles for lunch sometimes.
    Pema Pera: ?!?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: slices of white meat still frozen!
    Fox Monacular: turkey popsicles? really?
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I rather enjoyed it, feeling it melt in my mouth
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: odd but true.
    Eden Haiku: Popsicles. Yak...
    Wol Euler: wow
    Vendy Walpole: Just talked with Syenrgy about this holiday, it is his holiday as well, and I like the meaning...It is folk's wisdom, to be grateful to what we have, which we all should practice, no matter whera are we from
    Qt Core: the biggest turkey you can find here is less than half the standard one in USA
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it is a beautiful meaning this holiday.
    Pema Pera: yes, indeed
    Vendy Walpole: think we talked at some of previous sessions abot gratefulness
    Vendy Walpole: and it's connection with love and Being
    Wol Euler nods
    Synergy Watanabe: Wol, that is a funny sign
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: a fellow ex-Canadian sent that to me
    Pema Pera: Hi Zon!
    Pema Pera: And hi Mick!
    Wol Euler: hello zon, mick
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hi.
    Vendy Walpole: Hello
    Qt Core: i once tried to cook mediavel style, well, more precisely, ante 1492 style, with no american foods
    Eden Haiku: Hi Zon, hi Mickorod!
    Qt introduces an even more amazing notion . . .
    Qt Core: can you imagine italian cusine without tomatoes ?
    Wol Euler shakes her head.
    Eden Haiku: Funny sign yes... Thanks!
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Everyone
    Wol Euler: :)
    Qt Core: hi mick
    Zon Quar: talking about food ?
    Eden Haiku: Rounds of Happy Thanksgivings to you two.
    Mickorod Renard: busy today
    Mickorod Renard: ahh..ok thanks
    Pema Pera: Zon and Mick are also European, far removed from the turkeys here . . . .
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Pema Pera: or are you Zon?
    Eden Haiku: Oh they are ;-)
    Zon Quar: no turkeys here
    Vendy Walpole wonders how long last the privileges of being new guardian and blinks
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: Vendy, last week you asked about PaB practices, and we talked a bit about YSBS and absolute/relative, both in sessions and also in email. Have you explored some of those themes further, or do you have any other questions about them?
    Eden Haiku: This is European parliament here today !
    Pema Pera: almost yes!
    Vendy quickly took the bait, and launched into an interesting set of questions.
    Vendy Walpole: I do have Pema :)
    Vendy Walpole: thank you for the chance to ask
    Vendy Walpole: well
    Vendy Walpole: I have one very very basic question
    Vendy Walpole: i know the Being can't be defined
    Vendy Walpole: but since it is our goal
    Vendy Walpole: can we try to explain it through our experiences?
    Vendy Walpole: perhaps you could?
    Pema Pera: it has to be related to experience, yes, otherwise it would be just theory, ideas
    Zon Quar: inexplainable is the tao
    Pema Pera: but the way in which it is related to experiences is radically different from anything we are familiar with . . . . .
    Pema Pera: it is not a goal, for example
    Synergy Watanabe: when you say the Being, do you mean 'you' or what many refer to as 'god'?
    Pema Pera: and as long as there seems to be an "I" there is no "Being" in sight
    Pema Pera: The notion of God is somewhat similar, but not the same, as "Being"
    Pema Pera: the Trinity would come a bit closer
    Pema Pera: but different traditions have different language
    Vendy Walpole: Can we say Being is life?
    Zon Quar: isnt I only noticed after u notice there r Yous
    Pema Pera: more than that, Vendy :)
    Eden Haiku: Chi?
    Fox Monacular: would you say that Being is more of a process than a thing?
    Pema Pera: beyond any of all that, I'm afraid :)
    Eden Haiku: Shakti?
    Vendy Walpole: beyond is not very clear to me
    Zon Quar: Shiva and shakti
    Pema Pera: to be practical, when we do the 9 sec breaks, we try to drop what we have to see what we are
    Pema Pera: so we drop whatever we can
    Pema Pera: we wipe our windows
    Pema Pera: and see more and more
    Pema Pera: when we say "it is shakti" or "it is god" we are painting a nice painting on the window
    Pema Pera: looks very pretty perhaps
    Eden Haiku: just let being flow...is that what you mean?
    Pema Pera: but better to open the window
    Pema Pera: and let the sunlight in
    Eden Haiku: Open the window, yes...
    Pema Pera: that's part of it, yes, Eden
    Zon Quar: bath in the light
    Pema Pera: to let be . . .
    Vendy Walpole: this is the point where I am confused, not life, not God
    Vendy Walpole: what is more?
    Pema Pera: one other practice we sometimes explore may answer that, Vendy
    Eden Haiku: You are a hippie Pema ;-)
    Zon Quar: mind wants more
    Back to APAPB.
    Pema Pera: it is called Appreciate the Presence of Appearance as a Presentation by Being
    Pema Pera: APAPB for short
    Eden Haiku: Let it be...
    Pema Pera: I used to be, yes, Eden :-)
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Pema Pera: so if we drop all words and labels and concepts then still something appears
    Pema Pera: we see, feel, hear, think
    Pema Pera: and we can appreciate that fact
    Pema Pera: or more precisely the presence of all that appears
    Pema Pera: and being grateful for that as a present from the Universe
    Pema Pera: or from Being
    Pema Pera: (the Universe as a "local" representative of Being in our realm)
    Pema Pera: does that make some sense?
    Vendy Walpole: Is it true that universe has limits?
    Pema Pera: I don't know, Vendy, let's find out :)
    Zon Quar: no..didnt find any limits
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it makes a lot of sense Pema. Good or bad, whatever the Universe is sending is always a blessing?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: well, we can choose to appreciate it
    Vendy Walpole: I have read somewhere that someone claims that universe has limits
    Pema Pera: while trying not to judge
    Vendy Walpole: This is not proved Pema in the science? About the borders of the universe?
    Pema Pera: as for the physical material universe, we can only see so far as the light has traveled since the Big Bang; most of it is still beyond that horizon
    Pema Pera: but I wasn't so much thinking about the material universe, rather our whole world in the widest sense
    Mickorod Renard: I read that it was turtles all the way down Pema
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zon Quar: is there matter ?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: does it matter?
    Zon Quar: lol
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I think there are two different things.
    Zon Quar: no if u dont try to measure it
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: one is what I do and the other is what is.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: if I sit and just don't do for as much as I can.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that is important.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: and the rest is a game..
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: what "is?"
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: we can tackle that with stories and science.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but it is just the game we are playing this moment.
    Pema Pera: yes, we have to explore for ourselves, Corvi
    Pema Pera: much better than losing ourselves in speculations and theories
    Pema Pera: we have our own mind to watch
    Pema Pera: terrible as it is, remember :-)
    Harking back to August . . .
    Pema Pera: (running joke with Corvi)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire grins.
    Pema Pera: ((Corvi, please explain the joke!))
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: a mind is a terrible thing to watch....from an old commercial about education..." a mind is a terrible thing to waste."
    Zon Quar: smiles
    Pema Pera: it was a comic in a book that Corvi and I read during the RL retreat in August in California
    Pema Pera: was pretty hilarious
    Pema Pera: (but hard to explain a joke!)
    Zon Quar: better get out of our minds then
    Eden Haiku: But is there matter?/ Does the vast universe ends?/And does it matter?/
    Wol Euler smiles
    Pema Pera: or let the mind get out of "us"
    Pema Pera: hahaha, Eden, perfect!
    Pema Pera: always ready for a Haiku
    Zon Quar: it matters if we think so
    Vendy Walpole: I just thought how naive is to try to see closer what Being is as I did
    Eden Haiku: Mickorod is slipping away...
    Pema Pera: the trick is more to let Being see . . . .
    Mickorod Renard: sorry
    Vendy Walpole: It is like a microbe try to see what si the world
    Eden Haiku: Welcome back dear!
    Mickorod Renard: ;)
    Zon Quar: we thought we lost u
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: its not Naive Vendy
    Synergy Watanabe: our universe could be an atom on another microbe
    Vendy Walpole: yes, i have that thought too
    Synergy Watanabe: our conscious mind will never know
    Synergy Watanabe: we can only speculate
    Vendy Walpole: we can experience Being
    Pema Pera: as for "beyond" -- to say that something is "beyond concepts" simply means that further arguing and analyzing won't get you closer, but still there are ways to explore, just not by using logic -- rather by doing a kind of practice, like APAPB, YSBS, etc
    Synergy Watanabe: meditation
    Pema Pera: or Being can present experience, Vendy :-)
    Vendy Walpole: yes, it helps
    Pema Pera: if we try to experience Being, we make it into an object, that can't work
    Zon Quar: watching---
    Zon Quar: melting...
    Pema Pera: (even "presenting" is not quite right as an expression; none of the words capture it)
    Vendy Walpole: I You mean we can appreciate the appearance of the being?
    Pema Pera: (small detail, it may be better to leave out "the" in front of Being)
    Pema Pera: (there is only one Being :-)
    I didn't say that quite right, I realized later.  I should have said: All is Being, Being is beyond any duality, including the duality of "one versus many".  So there is no "the Being" as supposed to something else; there is nothing outside of what Is.  Being is beyond everything, even beyond being "one."
    Synergy Watanabe: we see the results of it
    Zon Quar: if u appareciate someting..its separate of u
    Pema Pera: what we can appreciate is what appears
    Pema Pera: and we an appreciate what appears *as* Being
    Pema Pera: or a bit more precise:
    Pema Pera: we can appreciate the presence of that appearance as a presentation by Being, in some sense
    Pema Pera: but we have to jump into it to taste the sense :)
    Fox Monacular: (quetly leaving, bye everyone)
    Mickorod Renard: bye Fox
    Synergy Watanabe: tc Fox
    Vendy Walpole: Bye
    Vendy Walpole: To be honest, can't say this is clear yet, probably will be in time
    Vendy Walpole: through practice
    Zon Quar: not in time..only in now
    Pema Pera: it can't be clarified in words, so I'm glad it isn't clear :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye Fox...
    Mick points to a central obstacle for all of us.
    Mickorod Renard: as a child I used to feel and sense so much,,the smells,,the touch,,but as an adult, I am shielded from this in a regular way because my mind is full of urgent thoughts about,,well,,stuff
    Vendy Walpole: The words are limited and the truth is infinite. We believe we can describe and capture the truth by words, but it is impossible. Vendy's pic
    Synergy Watanabe: it's a journey in many ways
    Pema Pera: yes, Mick, we have to retrace our steps in some sense
    Mickorod Renard: but how one can recapture the richness by allowing the thoughts to drift away,,does open things up
    Pema Pera: Vendy, you may like to read our last meeting's transcript for the phenomenology workshop in Kira: http://sites.google.com/site/phenome...ngs/2009-11-20
    Pema Pera: there is a lot of overlap with what we're talking about today
    Vendy Walpole: Thank you Pema, I will do it
    Vendy Walpole: what was the topic?
    Pema Pera: and yes, for you too, Mick: I was talking there about the "epoche"
    Pema Pera: an experimental method to see closer what is
    Pema Pera: rather than what we impute
    Pema Pera: it was introduced by Husserl
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Micko, like a veil being drawn...
    Pema Pera: German philosopher of a hundred years ago
    Pema Pera: unusually practical philosopher!
    Mickorod Renard: I have felt a mix of sensations recently by just being able to alow into my conciousness,,the real nature of what I was born into,,rather than what I have stained with my imagination
    Pema Pera: yes, Mick, isn't nice to drop those layers?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,it can be momentarily frightening too
    Mickorod Renard: like a vertigo
    Pema Pera: it almost should be, to be real :-)
    Pema Pera: I think Stim's workshop is about to start, right?
    Pema Pera: In the Kira Cafe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,thanks for reminding me,,I am so ,,erm,,forgetful these days
    Wol Euler nods
    Zon Quar: on which subject ?
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: Ways of Knowing -- living the good life :)
    Zon Quar: tha sounds..essesntial
    Pema Pera: is, yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye for now everyone
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,nice seeing you all,,must go to wok,,for my realignmeent
    Wol Euler: goodngiht all, take care
    Pema Pera: thank you all for coming here!
    Synergy Watanabe: nice to meet you all
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye all for now.
    Pema Pera: nice to meet you, Syn!
    Vendy Walpole: Thank you for answers
    Mickorod Renard: bye
    Synergy Watanabe: ty
    Vendy Walpole: Bye
    Zon Quar: i go to wshop,,bye all
    Qt Core: 'night all
    Pema Pera: thanks for your questions, Vendy!
    Wol Euler: bye everyone
    Synergy Watanabe: \o/
    Eden Haiku: Bye! I have to leave also...
    Vendy Walpole: Bye
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