2010.01.19 07:00 - Aiki PaB

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

    Yakuzza and Calvino were waiting for me when I took so long getting from the last place I left SL to the sesssion.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal, riddle
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Yaku-san and Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: good morning, YaK and Cal
    Riddle Sideways: In RL we are having pretty nice storm and I may lose electricity
    Riddle Sideways: or internet down the chain

    Trees down in my neighborhood and lost power twice yesterday, but I made it through the whole session.

    Calvino jumps right into today's topic.

    Calvino Rabeni: Riddle, your skirt looks like a hakama - is it?
    Riddle Sideways: Yes, I at least I tried to make it look like a hakama
    Riddle Sideways: still can't make a belt
    Riddle Sideways: Obi
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you have them in RL also?
    Riddle Sideways: Yes, but don't wear as much
    Riddle Sideways: I have stopped teaching kids classes
    Riddle Sideways: getting old and my knees, back, stamina etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: What classes were you teaching?
    Riddle Sideways: Aikido
    Riddle Sideways: was mostly the kids classes
    Riddle Sideways: but many times the adult teacher might not show up
    Riddle Sideways: how about you?
    Calvino Rabeni: Was this in an ordinary school or a dojo?
    Riddle Sideways: in a dojo
    Riddle Sideways: but did outreach to schools
    Riddle Sideways: am now doing more Aiki extension works
    Calvino Rabeni: It was long ago - I used to teach in the college, even though my rank was only ikkyu - because it was far from the dojo
    Calvino Rabeni: I still have the hakama and other things
    Calvino Rabeni: I enjoyed doing that instruction
    Riddle Sideways: I was ikkyu for about 20+ years
    Calvino Rabeni: I was for 6
    Calvino Rabeni: I felt no hurry for some reason
    Riddle Sideways: me either
    Riddle Sideways: seemed like a big step
    Riddle Sideways: ha, and it was
    Here is a link to just an intro into what is being done.
    Riddle Sideways: http://www.aiki-extensions.org/
    Riddle Sideways: where do you / did you train?
    Calvino Rabeni: when I got older I switched from aikido to tai chi / boxing, because of body issues
    Riddle Sideways: yes, I am about to start tai chi
    Calvino Rabeni: USA, west coast, Seattle and Oakland, California
    Riddle Sideways: ah, I know many of the Oakland and Seattle Aikidoka, Sensais and Dojos
    Calvino Rabeni: Tai chi partner practice is a lot of fun, besides being a good art
    Not sure how to get this idea across to you the reader.  There is a 'Time' thing going on in both arts.  Aikido starts fast/big movements and with practice it becomes almost slower.  Tai chi starts being learned at a slow rate and over years becomes faster and bigger.  Both arts reach a place where time can stand still (or more correctly, has no bearing/meaning/control anymore).
    Riddle Sideways: That link above is what many of us are doing with Aikido ideals into the RL
    Riddle Sideways: the body ages, the mind needs to pass it on
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes true
    Riddle Sideways: the realization of a dojo for palestinians and isralis to train, grow, Be together
    Riddle Sideways: for an hour or so the walls come down
    Calvino Rabeni: good work
    Riddle Sideways: another branch is bring introduction to alternatives to school kids
    Riddle Sideways: show teenagers that there is an other alternitive to stand and fight or run away
    Riddle Sideways: for a person to "know" they can 'Blend" with
    Calvino Rabeni: I understand - it is useful for that to be available to some teenagers
    ah, the tie in
    Riddle Sideways: PaB is almost backward method of teaching the very same thing
    Riddle Sideways: in dojo we throw each other around and gently learn harmony/reality
    Calvino Rabeni: So do you mean we will learn to throw each other around in PAB :)
    Riddle Sideways: here we chat/discuss things/ideas that matter and gently take them into RL conflicts

    1. I did not say that right.  In RL dojos we use physical means to learn mental.  In SL/PaB we use virtual/mental means to learn real, physical, RL, reality, useful.
    2. Not as much a joke.  The ideas, practices and quips/typos here throw me many times.  I really do think we do learn to throw each other around, off, into and within in PaB/  I try to "throw" every person I meet here.

    Riddle Sideways: A third branch of Aiki Extensions is taking principles into Business
    Calvino Rabeni: The second dojo I attended was about halfway between these two poles you mention
    Calvino Rabeni: Like a PaB / Dojo mix
    Calvino Rabeni: Here is a quote - to get a feel for that mix:
    Calvino Rabeni: The core of Cheng Hsin is increasing the depth and sensitivity of our conscious awareness through contemplation and experiential investigation of mind, perception, self and Being. Often such pursuits are limited to belief systems and dogma. We aim for a direct personal experience of the truth regarding everything we encounter.
    Calvino Rabeni: Some PaB similarities, yes?
    Please take 90 seconds to re-read the above quote.
    It is well worth the study.

    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: over a hundred people come to PaB
    Riddle Sideways: from many/all of different beliefs, dogmas, points of view, etc.
    Riddle Sideways: through direct global personal experiance have produced our shared truths
    Riddle Sideways: the opposite side is
    Riddle Sideways: being amid a business day
    Riddle Sideways: and a 15 min gong goes off
    Riddle Sideways: you relax and loosen up
    Benedizione joins us for a while.
    Riddle Sideways: hi Bene
    Calvino Rabeni: There's still such a gulf between mind and body in the thinking of most people
    Riddle Sideways: I see you can walk on water
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Benedizione
    Benedizione Vita: at the time I was a cloud haha
    Benedizione Vita: hello all
    Calvino Rabeni: All the word / being issues we talk about in PaB were intimately familiar to the martial ways also
    Riddle Sideways: ah, and when you encounter one of those persons with their mind and body separated?
    Riddle Sideways: how do you help them blend
    Calvino Rabeni: Good question Riddle
    Calvino Rabeni: By being calm and physical, they get it on some level
    Calvino Rabeni: And by not being dogmatic where it looks like there are splits in thinking
    Riddle Sideways: not being there for their mental or physical attack
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not thinking about attack
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking about attitudes
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I use word attack in a loose/general way
    Riddle Sideways: it is loaded word
    Calvino Rabeni: For example, someone holds themself back unnecessarily
    Calvino Rabeni: That could be considered an attack on self, loosely speaking
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: But, I prefer to think of it as a positive opportunity not taken
    Calvino Rabeni: for lack of an imaginative appreciation of the possibilities
    Riddle Sideways: and the sharing thereof
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Riddle Sideways: was looking at your profile Benedi
    Riddle Sideways: how do you do the Qwaq to SL liason?
    Benedizione Vita: oh that is an old thing
    Benedizione Vita: a dinosaur, really :)
    Riddle Sideways: I have not been to Qwaq since the block Avs
    Benedizione Vita: it isn't a software thing
    Benedizione Vita: I see
    Benedizione Vita: yes, qwaq has some new avatars these days
    Benedizione Vita: also, it is now teleplace
    Riddle Sideways: see, I still only know the old name
    Riddle Sideways: I think I got that memo :)
    Benedizione Vita: what memo?
    Riddle Sideways: name change email
    Benedizione Vita: oh I see
    Riddle Sideways: I remember experiencing the extreme demo of what we were talking Cal
    Riddle Sideways: Robert Nadeau Shihon was speaking on the things that mater. From all points of view at all times
    Riddle Sideways: being grounded in the clouds
    Riddle Sideways: while 2 big 250 pound guys were attacking him and they kept sailing across the room
    Riddle Sideways: the attitudes you present... splat
    Riddle Sideways: the total present of not being there... whish
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: It is dramatic for a demonstration
    Calvino Rabeni: When I was a beginner, the subtle things captured my interest
    Riddle Sideways: now that I am a beginner again and an aged expert they captivate me again
    Calvino Rabeni: like the "no touch throw", or the throw while holding with a feather light grip
    Calvino Rabeni: in which the experience of "mass" seems to change

    I read a book that said mass was.  Declared to be the same if at the same spot and temperature.  I both believe it and not.  I have known the mass to be different.
    Another book said it would take Q amount of energy to move that mass.  I have used less and moved it further.
    Personally, I love books...  They tell me thinks I do not know.

    Riddle Sideways: to see it done, to feel it donw to me, to try it, to do it
    Riddle Sideways: stages along the way
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, nice progression, it makes things get realer
    Benedizione Vita: time for me to split--just wanted to pop in and listen for a bit :)
    Benedizione Vita: good day, all--happy play
    Riddle Sideways: please come back more
    Riddle Sideways: bye

    Calvino Rabeni: And then later enters, the ontological stuff, but after it is a little grounded in physical reality
    Calvino Rabeni: for example a quote:
    Calvino Rabeni: All these things are difficult to form into words. If a person gives a name to something and then holds fast to that name, he will miss the real meaning. Yet if no name is given, then he floats about in empty space and does not attain awareness. Chozan Shissai - Master Swordsman, Japan 1728

    Riddle Sideways: ah, that balance
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that one :)
    Riddle Sideways: the name is not the thing
    Calvino Rabeni: It is discovered along the developmental progression you stated just before
    Calvino Rabeni: But the name and thing actually one, or intimate, when held in presence
    Calvino Rabeni: and only then
    Riddle Sideways: yet now... (maybe I develop) I have so many friends, essences, ____ that have no names
    Calvino Rabeni: the "real meaning" referred to - neither name nor thing, but their relationship in being
    Riddle Sideways: oooo that is what I meant
    Calvino Rabeni: That is a very rich world you are talking about
    Riddle Sideways: my friend that foggy type image that spreads across the pool
    Riddle Sideways: that is just a Sl / computer / virtual construct
    Riddle Sideways: that reminds me I must gravitate toward the next phase of life
    Riddle Sideways: in other words... go to work now

    Calvino Rabeni: good talking to you Riddle
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye riddle
    Riddle Sideways: thank you. I could talk this all day
    Calvino Rabeni: It is rare I make this time slot
    Calvino Rabeni: another time :)
    Calvino Rabeni: have a great day :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when do you usually start working cal ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni says - what is "work" :)
    Calvino Rabeni: But today I am at the computer early
    Calvino Rabeni: The Sun just rose above the horizon
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