2010.01.22 07:00 - It Appears that Way

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments were added by Eliza Madrigal.

    I sat alone but content in the pavillion for about twenty minutes, then was happily joined by Zen. We discussed "wiki pain" as well as appreciation and exploration of Art and its mediums. :) 

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen! :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: It has been a few days since I've seen you. How are things?
    Zen Arado: not too bad :)
    Zen Arado: how are you?
    Eliza Madrigal: Very well, thanks :)
    Zen Arado: I ust spent over an hour trying to post a chat log !
    Eliza Madrigal: Eeek!
    Eliza Madrigal: What happened?
    Zen Arado: forgot to put a hyphen in or something
    Eliza Madrigal: Oooh.. you mean you had dreaded title issues...
    Zen Arado: I'm not good at computer stuff where you have to be exact
    Eliza Madrigal: The wiki does not seem to like apostrophes...
    Eliza Madrigal: and when the title is changed after first saving it can be tricky
    Zen Arado: took me ages to find how to delete wrong page
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, but you figured it out on your own??
    Zen Arado: think so
    Eliza Madrigal: You cannot imagine how many times I've had to get help! :)
    Zen Arado: oh?
    Zen Arado: I thought you wre a wizard at this stuff
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh glad it appears that way
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I have learned a lot though
    Eliza Madrigal: People have been patient :)
    Zen Arado: my ego would hate ppl thinking I couldn't do this
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: isn't that terrible :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Well not terrible, the ego thinks that's its job...haha
    Zen Arado: so worried about what others think
    Eliza Madrigal: The wiki has strange moods, too... For instance I spent quite a while inserting a picture the other day... just refused.
    Eliza Madrigal: The next day, voila... easy
    Zen Arado: haven't tried that yet
    Zen Arado: scared to
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes I was too...
    Eliza Madrigal: I had Adams on google IM walking me through that one... so much goes on behind the scenes ... like icebergs....
    Zen Arado: I should be able to do it because I heve plenty of experience posting photos on websites
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, then yes should be simple
    Zen Arado: in theory :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I post paintings on Flickr
    Eliza Madrigal: In the 9 seconds approaching we could drop all that wiki anxiety...
    Zen Arado: good idea :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, would love to see your paintings, too
    Zen Arado: i'll dig up URL...
    Zen Arado: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjhtaylor/

    I encourage others to take a peek at the link above. I nearly copied a picture into the log today, but I suppose I should ask the artist's permission? :)

    Back to our story though, I was about to click the link when my avatar began going into convulsions (awake, asleep, awake, asleep... rapidly).


    Eliza Madrigal: My av is behaving strangely...
    Eliza Madrigal: Apologies, not sure what is going on

    --BELL--

    Zen Arado: looks like your AV was having a seizure:)
    Eliza Madrigal: nervous tick... talking about the wiki too much
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay.... let me see the link....
    Zen Arado: older paintings are more traditional
    Zen Arado: I have been experimenting with abstracts lately
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! yes, you're quite talented...
    Eliza Madrigal: 'play' is particularly interesting to me right away... as is "untitled 5'
    Eliza Madrigal is very fond of abstract art...
    Eliza Madrigal: I always try to paint abstractly but end up with an image....
    Zen Arado: the ones I paint fast seem to be the best
    Eliza Madrigal: but if I want to paint an image I end up with a mess
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Zen Arado: do you paint much?
    Eliza Madrigal: your technical skills are quite good too... impressive
    Eliza Madrigal: Lately not at all...
    Eliza Madrigal: a few weeks ago I started to work something out and pulled out all the materials...
    Eliza Madrigal: ended up with just a blurry wing, but it FELT great
    Zen Arado: abstracts seem to require speed for me ...otherwise too much thinking
    Eliza Madrigal: A fun process then!

    A different knowing...


    Zen Arado: they have to come from a different knowing..
    Zen Arado: or right brain you could say?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... you have to step aside
    Zen Arado: yes - but I get nervous before I start ...believe it or not
    Eliza Madrigal: Isn't that a positive ....
    Zen Arado: you can get bogged down in techniques and materials too
    Eliza Madrigal: like anxiety before getting on a stage
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: yes...maybe
    Eliza Madrigal: Unfortunately I've always wanted to get bogged down in techniques but they don't stick....
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: takes practice too I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: /me yes absolutely
    Zen Arado: perseverance so important in everything
    Eliza Madrigal: A dear friend is a wonderful abstract artist...
    Eliza Madrigal: and I love that I've taken many turns with her along the way...
    Eliza Madrigal: have watched each time there was a little shift or expansion...
    Eliza Madrigal: a deepening or building of more layers
    Zen Arado: I don't know many who paint abstractly
    Zen Arado: even though I am in 2 art clubs
    Eliza Madrigal: She works sometimes with encaustics.... really love those
    Zen Arado: mostly older age group
    Zen Arado: ah yes...never tried that
    Eliza Madrigal nods... well painting is one of those things people fear to do for a 'living' perhaps....
    Eliza Madrigal: put off?
    Zen Arado: have to heat the paint?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: its wax
    Zen Arado: I use so many mediums already
    Zen Arado: oil, pastel, acrylic
    Zen Arado: don't like water colour
    Eliza Madrigal: For yourself or at all?
    Zen Arado: at all :)
    Zen Arado: though loosely painted ones can be nice
    Zen Arado: it is a very restrictive medium I think

    Reading over the log, I think of a favorite children's book, "Old Turtle". It is a lovely story of harmony and understandings of God. The watercolor paintings in it are soft and simple, by Cheng Khee Chee.


    Eliza Madrigal loves water color but yes would find working with it daunting

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: Your pastels are particularly vivid, too...
    Zen Arado: you reading any Buddhist books atm?
    Eliza Madrigal: as I look through more pages..
    Zen Arado: yes I like colour as you can see
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: I tried a black and white abstract yesterday
    Zen Arado: but I don't like it...am going to add colour to it

    Eliza Madrigal: Pema said something yesterday which brought me to think about abstract art actually: " interestingly, in the Chinese/Japanese versions of the heart sutra, "form is emptiness, emptiness is form" the literal characters used can also be read as "color is emptiness, emptiness is color"

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no? Maybe just need to play a while
    Zen Arado: Zen sumi e painting is balck and white
    Zen Arado: grey shade too of course
    Eliza Madrigal: yes maybe that's why I am surprised....
    Zen Arado: yeah...maybe play a bit more with it
    Eliza Madrigal nods... nice when you have to plug away at something a while then it opens up
    Zen Arado: but Zen paintings are ....executed very quickly
    Zen Arado: to stp thinking I guess
    Eliza Madrigal: You build lots of skill, then you throw it away and jump
    Eliza Madrigal: so its there...
    Eliza Madrigal: but not hindered by 'you'
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess?
    Zen Arado: don't know
    Zen Arado: but 'don't know' is good :)
    Eliza Madrigal: it=skill
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, can be :)))
    Zen Arado: I like to just squeeze a lot of paint onto a canvas and the move it with a brush or knife
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I like working with a knife..
    Eliza Madrigal: I remember you showed us some of these before... how much do you paint, generally?
    Zen Arado: not many around today
    Zen Arado: you find it discouraging if no one else turns up?
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all
    Eliza Madrigal: Some days it rains, and some days it doesn't :)
    Zen Arado: good...I like that :)
    Zen Arado: it's my ego again...I worry nobody like me if no one turns up :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no... the nature of pab is that life is interwoven through and around...
    Zen Arado: we just perform the role with best intentions and that is all we can do..
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and enjoy whatever way it arises :)
    Zen Arado: equanimity...
    Eliza Madrigal: exactly!
    Eliza Madrigal: there is so much going on that sometimes it can be pleasant to just sit with the birds and fountain...
    Eliza Madrigal: and reflect...
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I'll read, etc
    Zen Arado: yes...I just sit and meditate
    Eliza Madrigal: I've got to sign off 'on time' today. Thanks for joining me for a bit, was lovely to go through your pictures :)
    Zen Arado: ah yes thanks for talking to me
    Zen Arado: hope I didn't keep you back
    Eliza Madrigal: We can talk about books soon.. would love to :)
    Eliza Madrigal: You and I seem to enjoy many of the same teachers
    Zen Arado: sure:)
    Zen Arado: I know
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    Zen Arado: ok bye Eliza :)

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