2010.02.11 13:00 - just a thursday 1 pm

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
    Liza Deischer: hey Yaku
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    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye, the way, where are you from ?
    Liza Deischer: Holland
    Yakuzza Lethecus: germany here
    Liza Deischer: if that is what you mean
    Liza Deischer: yes I know
    Liza Deischer: there are some germans around her
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so are ppl from the netherlands :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am curious what pema feels like :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: japanese/us/netherlandish or just cosmopolitan :D
    Liza Deischer: I have no idea?
    Liza Deischer: I do talk Dutch with him though
    Liza Deischer: and he still speaks it very well
    Liza Deischer: and sometimes we speak about really Dutch things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, he got a nice dutch accent in his language :)
    Liza Deischer: wich is nice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: his english
    Liza Deischer: yes, very :-)
    Liza Deischer: I heard him talking at a time workshop
    Liza Deischer: he sounded like he just moved out of Holland :-)
    Liza Deischer: but to his generation, somehow they articulate not as well as younger generations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's really an advantage that not even all movies are with subtitles right away in the nl
    Liza Deischer: yes, I feal that as an adventage
    Liza Deischer: It is easier to get a grip on a language
    Liza Deischer: hungry?
    Liza Deischer: np
    Liza Deischer: ah, okay
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Liza Deischer: it was just funny
    Liza Deischer: but I think pema has become much of an american
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't know much about what it means to be american
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually i don't even try to understand what it means to be german :P
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: maybe that is the best thing to do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
    Liza Deischer: hey eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya, Liza :))
    Liza Deischer: but Americans do have a enthousiasm that is hard to imagine with a Dutchman
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and hey cal
    Liza Deischer: hey cal
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Does anyone mind my lowering the fountain?
    Liza Deischer: so I think he fits well in that society :-)
    Liza Deischer: now, that's ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I like to have a wide view which encompasses everyone :)
    Liza Deischer: you look......
    Liza Deischer: very elfish, I guess
    Liza Deischer: and beautful made
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thank you... I do think the person who made this is talented
    Liza Deischer: beatirully
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Calvnio must be in love... there are hearts emanating from him
    Liza Deischer: then he is in love for a longer time
    Bleu Oleander: hi!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu!
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Liza Deischer: hie Bleu
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
    Liza Deischer: somehow that feels like to be in contradition with the bald head and the 'tough guy'
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes I'm thinking the juxtopositions are intentional?
    Calvino Rabeni: "Do I contradict myself? ... I contain multitudes" in the words of an american bard
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Liza Deischer: Justopostions?
    Liza Deischer: juxto
    Calvino Rabeni: Not "justification-positions" :)

    Eliza Madrigal: odd angles all working against and yet with

     

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    Calvino Rabeni: More like "just-this-o-positions"
    Liza Deischer: ok thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Wol :) How are you doing?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey wol, anyone made an obervation he would like to share ?
    Liza Deischer: hi Wol
    Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
    Calvino Rabeni: :) the word juxtapositions means "things set next to one another"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you'll never be late :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: yeah, yeah, "there is no time" :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or you just adapted yourself to the maltese culture :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Actually Yakuzza, today I did find myself on a long walk, contemplating 'appreciations' today
    Eliza Madrigal: (strike one today-heh)
    Eliza Madrigal: many todays in one day
    Eliza Madrigal: What I noticed, was that getting quiet one can make out distinctions at finer and finer levels... all of which can open up...
    Wol Euler: hello fael
    Liza Deischer: right
    Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi fael
    Calvino Rabeni: That is good to see, Eliza
    Bleu Oleander: hi Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: and not just in what is seen but felt and heard... like cold, warm, breeze, skin, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael :)
    Liza Deischer: hi fael
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Fael, Dazzling :)
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: :))))
    Bleu Oleander: impressive!
    Calvino Rabeni: @@ dizzy @@
    Fael Illyar: You too Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: We look like we're from the same hometown now...
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but I have no fancy tricks... hehe
    Fael Illyar: well, aren't we? :P
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, anyway, so the walk itself was showing me so many things... like 'what is it like to be ground with someone walking on it?" and "Can I really appreciate something and yet not mind if it leaves?"
    Eliza Madrigal: It was interesting... all rather unintended. :)
    Fael Illyar just returned from the movie theater watching Avatar.
    Eliza Madrigal: OOOooh... you hadn't seen it Fael?
    Fael Illyar: nope :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fael Illyar: best movie ever!
    Bleu Oleander: fun, wasn't it?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking of Eliza's distinctions, with a new emphasis, and a little help from friends
    Fael Illyar: (and yes, this is the first time I say that I think)
    Calvino Rabeni: There are things "in the air" related to trust and to discrimination
    Eliza Madrigal: I noticed the avatarness of body while walking too...
    Eliza Madrigal: and did consider the film... how he reacted when first seeing the skin he'd get to step into...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, thats why the chinese restricted the movie @ cal
    Fael Illyar: the chinese restricted Avatar?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: by declaring htat it could only be shown in 3d equipped cinemas
    Wol Euler: of which there are roughly seven in China
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah =/
    Eliza Madrigal: What do you mean Cal, "with help from friends"?
    Fael Illyar: mmkay... they clearly don't want it to be seen.
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, friends are a kind of oracle - I listen to the sub text of what they are saying, kind of read between the lines
    Calvino Rabeni: if several of them are talking about a theme, then it is "in the air" and I take it as a message
    Fael Illyar: but the 3d effect was neat :)
    Calvino Rabeni: for something for me to look at
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: crowdsourcing your attention :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... yes that is definitely what I noticed today... in between... that space has a kind of charge
    Calvino Rabeni: Like trust and discrimination were themes in peoples' discussions
    Calvino Rabeni: And I realized - same in me too
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, interesting
    Fael Illyar: the current wave in the global mind ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: SO I call that "help from friends" to become aware of a signiificance I might have discounted
    Calvino Rabeni: because it floats around with all the other possibilities and chatter that are in the mind and imagination
    Calvino Rabeni: @fael, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: friends in the inbetween... I suppose that fits well with the film, too....
    Calvino Rabeni: the collective mind
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Fael Illyar: Hello Pegaso :)
    Pegaso Zadark: hello
    Liza Deischer: hello Pegaso
    Calvino Rabeni: and some traditions think there are spirit guides with intelligence - I'm western so I don't say that, but I kind of know what it means

    Wol Euler: welcome to SL, born today :)

     

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    Calvino Rabeni: non-distributed intelligence
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: (I meant "distributed intelligence, not-me & not-you)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, pegaso/mick
    Liza Deischer: hi mick
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick!
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Guys
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right click on a pillow and sit down pegaso
    Mickorod Renard: n gals
    Bleu Oleander: hi Mick
    Eliza Madrigal: It is an interesting idea Calvino
    Mickorod Renard: watzz the topic?
    Eliza Madrigal considers
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Pegaso :)
    Pegaso Zadark: ciao
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, Mick. the intelligent space between, and Avatar :)
    Wol Euler: ((could somebody else give pegaso an introduction, please, I'm just too tired))
    Mickorod Renard: grin,,not sure i understand
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Pegaso Zadark: i don't speak english
    Pegaso Zadark: sorry
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Pegaso, i will im you to save disturbing the chat
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    Mickorod Renard: italian?
    Pegaso Zadark: yes
    Mickorod Renard: french?
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Wol Euler: heh, where's Ara when you need her?
    Eliza Madrigal: Navi?
    Mickorod Renard: anyone speak italian?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i just posted everything in english for him :)
    Mickorod Renard: ara will arrive soon i am suere
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so that might haven't been the best idea :)
    Liza Deischer: somebody having a translator
    Wol Euler: yes, but they only work in open chat, not IM :(
    Liza Deischer: oh
    Mickorod Renard: ahh
    Eliza Madrigal: He'll figure it out I hope... maybe  the visitor center he was born in...
    Liza Deischer: I guess he draw hi own conlusios
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure :)
    Mickorod Renard: so,,can anyone elaborate on the topic please?
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: Let me give you a note, Mick :) One sec
    Mickorod Renard: cheers
    Wol Euler: sorry, I'm really too tired for this today. I'm going to go home and vegetate a little. Goodnight my dears.
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite Wol
    Bleu Oleander: nite Wol
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night wol
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Wol (( )) Rest well
    Fael Illyar: hm.. come to think of it, I'm rather tired.
    Fael Illyar: I'll follow Wol :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Nite Fael
    Liza Deischer: bye fael
    Bleu Oleander: bye Fael
    Fael Illyar: Have fun everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal watches Fael swim home....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nite fael
    Liza Deischer: and there is ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
    Liza Deischer: hi Ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you are a bit too late :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
    arabella Ella: late?
    Mickorod Renard: hi ara
    Eliza Madrigal: Anyway Mick, not really a topic, just sharing
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we just had an italian visitor :)
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,just reading
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but we couldn't help him since he wasn't able to understand english :)
    arabella Ella: oh
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: doesnt anyone here speak italian?
    Eliza Madrigal: We were tongue typing tied
    arabella Ella smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: I have to go soon - to a "playshop" in RL :)
    arabella Ella: sounds cool Calvino
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, what a neat idea... what kind of playshop?
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.meetup.com/Playformation/
    Eliza Madrigal: writers shop?
    Calvino Rabeni: Play As Transformation
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm... is this the first time you've attended?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, of this venur
    Calvino Rabeni: venue I mean
    Calvino Rabeni: But I like the "play" idea as a way to pursue out-of-the-box knowledge
    Eliza Madrigal: When I was little, staying after school, we would play this game where everyone put their head on someone else's stomach... and began a kind of laughing... First, one "ha", then around the circle... then "ha ha"... it was often so fun
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Why not
    Eliza Madrigal: Good for health, so they say

    Eliza Madrigal notices the deafening silence .. hehe

     

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    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out quietly - take care all beings
    Liza Deischer: bye Cl
    arabella Ella: bye Calvino enjoy!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Cal
    arabella Ella: this is a very quiet crowd here tonight!
    Mickorod Renard: I found myself getting a bi out of sorts today,,I needed to take time out and get back into a better frame of mind
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, odd
    Eliza Madrigal: How so, Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, cos I have been ok since halfwy through the retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, maybe beginning to feel a bit of the tension between retreat mode and real life?
    Mickorod Renard: I guess it was a culmination of little things,,just frustrating me
    arabella Ella: so what did you do Mick to get back into a better frame of mind?
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes after peaks we can feel dropped a little :)
    Mickorod Renard: just stop,,reverse myself out from the wrong track I was taking,,nd then start again
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: I was reading about Tibetan Buddhism today and how pain and suffering are a necessary part of life
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes its that simple
    Eliza Madrigal nods and smiles
    Mickorod Renard: yes maybe,,we need contrast
    arabella Ella: i bought an old book called 'Secret Tibet' written by an Italian (second hand) and it is a gem
    arabella Ella: he traveled to Tiber in late 40s
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, wonderful Ara
    arabella Ella: Tibet
    Liza Deischer: what were yu thinking while reading the book ara?
    arabella Ella: yes it is a translation in English but very well written and so interesting
    arabella Ella: i was thinking there is so much i would like to do, to learn, .... to drop too
    Eliza Madrigal: Tibetans also are very conscious that the body should be engaged in practice... breaks down a sense of ego I guess to do prostrations and such...
    Liza Deischer: it does
    Mickorod Renard: its funny how we spend so much of our lives learning what we think is important,,then the latter part trying to drop it all
    arabella Ella: yes i guess so but the author goes back to the origin of Buddhism and explains a lot of stuff in a clear manner
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: guess it is a bit of why 'suffering' are seen as necessary too
    Eliza Madrigal nods@ Mick :)))
    arabella Ella: the book also brings to mind parallels amongst some major world religions
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i can imagine thats interesting
    Liza Deischer: and how did you feel about the suffering part?
    Eliza Madrigal has definitely gone through a long season of accumulating, and is now shedding
    arabella Ella: I think suffering is a necessary part of life
    Liza Deischer: can you say more Ara?
    arabella Ella: it is how we approach suffering and pain that matters most
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Mickorod Renard: is much of the suffering , suffering what we may loose of our material things?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes we can attach suffering onto places it doesn't need to be... expectations, comparisons, wrong measurements
    arabella Ella: it could be physical suffering too Mick
    arabella Ella: illness, old age, etc too
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    arabella Ella: but as the English expression goes, life is what you make it
    Mickorod Renard: physical suffering is perhaps something we could all do to avoid if pos
    arabella Ella: i dont think it is avoidance which is key
    arabella Ella: it is our whole approach to life and to suffering that is important
    Liza Deischer: I don't think so either
    arabella Ella: sometimes it is inevitable
    Eliza Madrigal: A few brilliant and incredibly clear/vibrant friends and teachers are suffering with illness right now... and they seem to make it material wherever they can
    Mickorod Renard: but some physical suffering can also be due to our attachment to material things
    arabella Ella: should we be so attached to material things Mick so as to make them cause us suffering?
    arabella Ella: so sorry to hear about your friends Eliza, very sad
    Mickorod Renard: stress in the western world is often down to wanting to have high income and so forth
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, difficult certainly
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Ara
    arabella Ella: do you know any people in the Western world or elsewhere Mick who are content as they have achieved their goal of a high income? Would that be sufficient?
    arabella Ella: I dont think so ... there is then often greed for more
    arabella Ella: and no time to enjoy the simple pleasures of life
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,this is what I meant
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm... well this is where the appreciation comes in....
    Mickorod Renard: I am guilty of greed and have been more guilty of it in the past
    Eliza Madrigal: one can be satisfied with so much less than we think
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneakes to bed, cya tomorrow
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ya :)
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku
    Liza Deischer: nite Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: nite Yaku..gud to c u
    arabella Ella: well Eliza I got to see part of the chat log and seems like you went for a walk today

    arabella Ella: i went for a walk yesterday and it was such a lovely peaceful experience

     

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    arabella Ella: it was lovely to get wet in the drizzle
    Bleu Oleander: see you all
    arabella Ella: bye Bleu
    Liza Deischer: bye Bleu
    Mickorod Renard: bye Blue
    Mickorod Renard: what is so precious is so often free
    Eliza Madrigal: :) That walk was 'worth' a lot more than things I've fretted over not having ... deeply satisfying
    arabella Ella: mine too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Funny what we sometims shield ourselves from... drops of water...
    arabella Ella: with a few glimpses of amazing rainbows too
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... sounds like Malta is full of rainbows :)
    arabella Ella: well when it rains in winter there is often the sun over part of the island too, hence rainbows
    arabella Ella: (not always though but often enough)
    Mickorod Renard: I am determined to take full advantage of what I have available for free,,especially the countryside , thoughts,,and so forth
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, love that phrasing Mick....
    arabella Ella smiles
    Mickorod Renard: and also I am willing to give for free my love to anyone who would like some
    Eliza Madrigal: we can slow down and appreciate the space between thoughts, too... becomes like a flowing along....
    arabella Ella: i walked alone for just over an hour in the countryside and the peacefulness was amazing as was the great feeling i got as a result
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: your tellig us a lot of nice things Ara, as Eliza is
    arabella Ella: and to add to that there were lots of ancient burial sites in caves and other prehistoric monuments just lying there and triggering my imagination
    arabella Ella: ty Liza
    Eliza Madrigal: Ara... that is one thing I was greatly inspired by, in talks of the retreat...
    Eliza Madrigal: I have such a fascination with caves...
    arabella Ella: even the smell of the wild thyme was invigorating
    arabella Ella: it grows everywhere this time of the year
    Eliza Madrigal: MMMM
    arabella Ella: and the wild fennel standing high like sentinels
    Mickorod Renard: rosemary and lavenda is nice too
    Eliza Madrigal smiles.... I can feel the space in your appreciations...
    arabella Ella: then i came across a wonder ... a lonely wild bitter almond tree in full blossom
    Mickorod Renard: heather on the moors
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,nice
    arabella Ella: i had to touch the soft petals which were wet with rain but such lovely texture
    Eliza Madrigal: MM, sighs
    arabella Ella: and the colours ...
    Mickorod Renard: when we were children,,stuff like that was great
    arabella Ella: the pale pink flowers with crimson in the centre
    arabella Ella: we are still children Mick
    Mickorod Renard: I am becoming a child again
    arabella Ella: (at least i am)
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: "yes we are" says the fairy
    arabella Ella smiles to the fairy
    Mickorod Renard: I want to do things like feel stickibuds,,and pussy willows
    arabella Ella: (although I see you are more of an angel Eliza)
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of the rainbows the sprinklers would make when I ran through them as a child....
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    Mickorod Renard: yeaaaa
    Eliza Madrigal smiles @Ara :) Thank you
    arabella Ella: as i said yesterday (I think) when i stopped on a stone bench to meditate during my walk my attention was caught by sprinklers which looked so lovely which each drop visible as spray in the air ... together with the soft rain
    arabella Ella: the water from the sprinklers literally created dances in the air
    Mickorod Renard: I havea thin aboutwater
    Eliza Madrigal: :))))
    Eliza Madrigal: Water is nurturing for you Mick?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: its so special
    arabella Ella: Mick is an Aquarian ... makes sense right?
    Mickorod Renard: I love it more now than anytime in my life
    Eliza Madrigal: water is inspiring.... maybe now you are able to linger with it Mick...
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Mickorod Renard: and more
    Mickorod Renard: I sense water is living,,and the drops are like lovely inteligent creatures
    arabella Ella: like the waves (wild horses) Mick which we could see in the distance during the retreat
    arabella Ella: forever changing patterns
    arabella Ella: and the clouds too
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,water plying as horses
    Eliza Madrigal: life is a wonder
    Mickorod Renard: water playing as clouds
    arabella Ella: an infinite variety of patterns
    Eliza Madrigal: When I began to get older, I would look at the work that went into the gardens and house where I grew up ... and not really understand the value... not connect the myriad surprises around the corners as having been placed there thoughtfully...
    arabella Ella: Eliza will you be joining us for the i ching session on Monday?
    Mickorod Renard: water is sacred to many religions too
    arabella Ella: how lovely Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Ara, I admit I've not done much in the way of reading....
    arabella Ella: yes and symbolic too
    Mickorod Renard: yes nice Eliza
    arabella Ella: well Eliza most of us I guess have not done much and part of the purpose of the meeting is to help us to get going again ... i hope
    Eliza Madrigal: so I'm not sure. I stay on the list in hopes that it might weave together at some point
    arabella Ella nods
    Eliza Madrigal: but lots going on :)
    arabella Ella: yes i understand
    Mickorod Renard: there is no pressure Eliza,,I too have only touched on I ching a lil
    arabella Ella: it would be great if you could make it though as Pila would like it mainly to be for novices
    Mickorod Renard: like me
    arabella Ella: (not sure whether you are a novice too ... well)
    Eliza Madrigal: There is a little teaching Eckhart Tolle gives, where he says "You have never really experienced water"... and he goes on to talk about how our minds are always onto the 'next thing'...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I definitely know nothing about iching :)
    arabella Ella: ah ... join the rest of us then!
    arabella Ella: i must admit i know very little too
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay, will certainly try. :) Thanks for the encouragement
    arabella Ella: but i am curious to learn more
    arabella Ella: :)

    Mickorod Renard: if nothing else, I want to let the rolling of coins be more important in routine than some of the other things in my life

     

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    Mickorod Renard: it will be like a 9 second break
    Eliza Madrigal: What I generally tend to feel about 'signs', is that they are everywhere... and that it is a comfort to train in seeing them to a certain extent... and then there is also a point at which signs open up... are sheer...
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: ? are sheer ?
    Eliza Madrigal: so sometimes I hesitate to pay attention intentionally, because I may romanticize and get a bit stuck....
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i think i can understand that Eliza
    arabella Ella: do you mean it is important to maintain a sort of balance Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, yes sheer... like when you are noticing the loveliness of sensations and it all becomes kind of soft and noticeably transient
    Mickorod Renard: I want to change my ,,rut,,and the i ching may help me there
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, very much so Ara :) And to know ourselves/tendencies
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods... it is definitely interesting....
    arabella Ella: altho i feel signs are very important
    Eliza Madrigal: and Pila is a good teacher
    arabella Ella: yes he certainly is very knowledgeable and very sensitive too
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Pila was one of my first PaB friends... have always taken a lot of comfort in him :)
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    arabella Ella: I respect Pila very much myself
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,he is a great guy
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    arabella Ella: and he has so much patience with everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Indeed :) I still go back and read his paper about the light winds...
    Liza Deischer: thank you for the lovely evening
    arabella Ella: nite Liza
    Liza Deischer: but I'm going
    Liza Deischer: cu
    arabella Ella: the light winds?
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite Liza
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Liza :)
    Mickorod Renard: take care
    Eliza Madrigal: May I ask how you find signs important Ara?
    arabella Ella: i think some signs are messages ... and it is up to us to take them as such ... or to just not notice
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: I relate to that.. tend to be a real pattern maker...
    arabella Ella: and ... the older i get ... the more i tend to relate to synchronicity ...
    arabella Ella: so many things seem to happen for a purpose
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess lately I'm trying not to 'make' the patterns but rather just notice... so I guess like anything it is 'how' we see?
    Eliza Madrigal: OH, Yes I definitely agree Ara
    arabella Ella: but the purpose is like an opportunity and it is up to us to recognise it
    arabella Ella: sometimes we cannot help making the patters ... our mind helps us to recognise them
    arabella Ella: and some people are better at recognising patterns than others
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Mick fell off
    Eliza Madrigal: The i ching is very technical...
    arabella Ella: Mick crashed
    arabella Ella: do you really think the i ching is technical?
    Eliza Madrigal: do you find it that way? that it takes a bit to understand, or can it be understood intuitively?
    Eliza Madrigal: well, from outside it seems technical
    arabella Ella: what worries me about it is that our imagination may be a bit too free to interpret it as we wish
    arabella Ella: with little or no constraints
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting
    arabella Ella: that is my only concern so far
    arabella Ella: like when reading a horoscope ... we put our meaning into it ... sometimes a bit too much
    Eliza Madrigal nods...
    Eliza Madrigal: When we were talking about Storm's Kuan Yin oracle, what I thought about is that
    Eliza Madrigal: each having been sculpted as a poem there is a sense of space...
    arabella Ella: oh i would love to visit Storm's oracle
    Eliza Madrigal: Want to go now? I can go and teleport you...
    arabella Ella: i was just about to ask you if you had a few minutes to spare :)
    arabella Ella: that would be lovely thanks!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Sure.. let me find the link
    arabella Ella: ok
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