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*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Eden was sitting in the Playgoda as I arrived.

Wol Euler: hello eden! welcome home

Eden Haiku: Hi Wol!

Eden Haiku: Thank you ;-)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: I've loved reading your tweets from India

Eden Haiku: It was a pleasure to write them, thank you!

Eden Haiku: How are you doing these days?

Wol Euler: drowning in work. This is about the third PaB session I've attended in two weeks, because I am usually still at work at 10pm my time :/

Wol Euler: otherwise well, thanks :)

Eden Haiku: Just read about the depression you experienced after the retreat. I did experienced something like that after intense practice when I was living in an ashram. Strange phenomenon.

Wol Euler nods. Thank you, it's good to hear that one is not alone in that.

Eden Haiku: I have no understanding of why these things happen but to welcome them seems the only way.

Wol Euler nods again.

Wol Euler: knowing that they *may* happen is an advantage, one might be less dismayed if it does.

Eden Haiku: As to welcome being drowned in work ;-)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: As Elton John famously said, "I'd rather have ham in my sandwich than cheese, but complaining won't do any good."

Eden Haiku: I remember something called "pink cloud" in spiritual practice... Cheese sandwiches only ;-)

Wol Euler: :)

I launch straight into the most important question.

Wol Euler: how was the food in India?

Eden Haiku: So good!

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: mostly vegetarian/vegan?

Eden Haiku: A paradise for a vegetarian!

Wol Euler nods.

Eden Haiku: dal and bhasmati rice and chapatis and banana pancakes fopr breakfast.

Wol Euler: mmmmmmmm

Wol Euler holds out an empty plate with a pleading expression

Eden Haiku: And then momos in Dharamsala, mostly tibetan food at the end of the trip.

Eden Haiku: Yes, please have some more chai with samosas and rassmallah!

Wol Euler: ((haven't had breakfast yet, I slept through the alarm and barely made it here))

Eden Haiku: Oh, you are the GOC then?

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: um, if this is Friday I am. If not, I'm in trouble at the office :)

Eden Haiku: Yes, it is Friday, I know that much...

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: you must be deep in some exotic kind of jetlag?

Eden Haiku: I,m in the middle of the night, went to bed so early that I woke up.

Wol Euler: heh

Eden Haiku: But I will have to catch up sleep, I have an appointment this afternoon.

Eden Haiku: But please, feel free to fix yourself some breakfast while I sit here a while.

Wol Euler: thank you :) tea is ready, I'll butter some toast and be right back

Eden Haiku: Sure dear!

--BELL--

Wol Euler: back, nomming

Eden Haiku: wb

Wol Euler: ty

Eden Haiku: nomming?

Wol Euler: internet-speak for "eating" :)

Wol Euler: as in mmmmmm nom nom nom nom

Eden Haiku: oh!

Wol Euler grins. One of those odd things that develop in communities

Eden Haiku: Nom nom well, Wol!

Wol Euler smiles. It isn't chai and dal, but it'll keep me going for a while

There is no tsampa.

Eden Haiku: My eating pattern is disrupted by jet-lag. I crave breakfast at all times of day!

Eden Haiku: Tsampa mostly.

Eden Haiku: And there is no tsampa here ;-)

Wol Euler: :(

Wol Euler: could you make it yourself?

Eden Haiku: What time to you start at your job?

Eden Haiku: I would need to find the barley flour, and then yes.

Eden Haiku: I discoverd tsampa very recently, a few days ago only.

Wol Euler: I googled and found a Swiss supplier. I'm sure it exists in Canada too, but if not I could order it for you

Eden Haiku: They serve it with dried fruits and nuts in Dharamsala, a wonder!

Wol Euler: and you can make polenta with it too:)

Wol Euler: (it says here)

Eden Haiku: Oh thanks, I will certainly find some here.

Eden Haiku: Looks like polenta a bit but whitish and sweet,

Eden brings up a memory of tsampa that gives me a title.

Eden Haiku: When I took Avalokiteshvara empowerment with His Holiness in Montreal around 1992

Eden Haiku: He said: we usually give Avalokiteshvara some tsampa but as we don,t have it here, we will give him cookies.

Wol Euler: heheheheheh

Eden Haiku: I'm still laughing...

Wol Euler: me too.

Wol Euler: but he's right, surely. The point is to share what you have, to give of what is available.

Eden Haiku: I was then concerned beacuse we were supposed to visualize Avalokiteshvara and I had then never seen any picture of him...

Eden Haiku: So I substitute some other Toibetan deity (Manjushri) as a cookie replacement... I supposed it would work as well...

Eden Haiku: I'm so "by the book" sometimes, it was a good lesson for me!

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: I want to hear all about India, and about Dharamsala, but I feel greedy asking you questions when there's only me to hear the answers

Wol Euler: the others will want to know too

On to the second great topic.

Eden Haiku: Is it sill snowing in Stuttgart?

Wol Euler: yes, alas.

Wol Euler: again/still

Eden Haiku: No?

Eden Haiku: It was so bitterly cold in Amsterdam two days ago, I could not believe it!

Wol Euler nods

Eden Haiku: Europe had a very difficult winter!

Wol Euler: this is almost unprecedented.

Eden Haiku: And here, my friend is telling me it has been mild and spring-like!

Wol Euler: it hardly ever snows in Stuttgart, and the snow never lasts this long on the ground

Wol Euler: it was mild here, for nearly two weeks.

Eden Haiku: And in Delhi they suffer terrible cold in January.

Wol Euler: two saturdays ago, we sat outdoors in the garden in just sweaters, drinking coffee in sunshine

Wol Euler: and now this!!!!?!?

Eden Haiku: Must be disconcerting

Wol Euler: annoying :)

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: And must make things difficult to go to work? Streets? Shoveling?

Wol Euler: and I feel sorry for the birds, hopping about hungry looking for the food that's buried 3 inches deep

Eden Haiku: Poor birds, yes. Nature suffers too.

Climatic change: just because it's cold right now doesn't mean global warming isn't happening.

Eden Haiku: These are warning signs of something so wrong and yet...we do mainly nothing about it.

Wol Euler: agreed!

Wol Euler: my fear is that people look at the cold weather and think "well, global warming is a crock" and go out and buy another big car

Eden Haiku: We will wake up and it will be too late...

Wol Euler: we need to rename GW to something like "irreversible unpredictable catastrophic climatic change"

Wol Euler: because that is the point

Eden Haiku: Yes, big cars. In India, in small small country roads, they have these big big cars!

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: heh, an image came to me. Us telling them not to build/buy huge gas-guzzling cars is like a notorious drug-user, now grown old and wise, telling kids not to do drugs

Wol Euler: they just laugh

Eden Haiku: They do just laugh yes...

Eden Haiku: Understandable.

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Eden Haiku: And yet, they are more than one billion...

Eden Haiku: Wondering where all this is going...

Wol Euler: nowhere nice, I fear.

Wol Euler: it's the tragedy of the commons on a global scale

Eden Haiku: Individullay, it is hard to find a starting point. What could I do?

Wol Euler: oh, there are things that people can do. Buy locally grown food, walk or take the bus

Wol Euler: it's probably easier for city dwellers

Eden Haiku: I do not own a car and I don't drive, so I feel I'm doing something.

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: the next big thing is to stay out of airplanes :)

Eden Haiku: But then I fly and I drink bottled water...

Wol Euler: in terms of "carbon footprint"

Eden Haiku: Could buy my carbon footprint yes. I did not...

Wol Euler: I'm not sure about the validity of applying the carbon footprint to flying.

Eden Haiku: But we feel silly don,t we, trying to do somethiong at our tiny level when the whole picture is so wrong...

Wol Euler: if there is a plane is going from Frankfurt to Toronto anyway, then it makes no appreciable difference to the world whether I am on it or not

Wol Euler: so I might as well be there.

Eden Haiku: Ah yes... ;-)

Wol Euler: but I will take the train to Berlin and back, and give up an entire day to a 90 minute meeting, rather than flying there

Wol Euler: that one can do.

Eden Haiku: They are supposed to create environmental friendly programs with this carbon footprints money...

Wol Euler: in Germany there are federal programs to retrofit insulation and better windows and solar heating/power to housing

Wol Euler: the government will pay half of the costs, basically

Eden Haiku: Yes, we have those around here too.

Wol Euler: and if your solar roof panels produce more electricity than you consume, the grid buys the excess from you

Building for the environment.

Eden Haiku: That is a start. As an architect, you must deal with these plans a lot?

Wol Euler: actually, no, we don't do housing.

Wol Euler: but energy effiency is important.

Eden Haiku: Ah! Buildings?

Wol Euler: triple glazing, 8 inches of high-density insulation, waste heat recovery ...

Eden Haiku: Oh oh...

Wol Euler: we are working on a swimming pool complex right now, about the least energy-efficient type of building there is :)

Wol Euler: but we try.

Eden Haiku: Especially in a snowbound Germany...

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: btw you asked earlier when I start work. I've been working 9:30 to 11:00 for two weeks

Wol Euler: including weekends

Eden Haiku: Was nice talking with you, I better try to catch some sleep...

Wol Euler: yes, eden, you have some catching up to do!

Eden Haiku: Yes, I heard about that. That is a lot of work Wol, take care of your health...

Wol Euler: it's lovely to see you again, welcome back.

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: I had some burn out years ago and it is really tough to come back from it...

Wol Euler nods.

Eden Haiku: Thank you . Have a very nice day!

Wol Euler: I'll try

Wol Euler: and I hope you find some tsampa

Lisa arrives as Eden leaves.

Wol Euler: hello liza

Liza Deischer: hi Wol, Eden

Eden Haiku: Will keep you posted about tsampa! hello Liza, I was on my way back to sleep!

Liza Deischer: bye eden

Liza Deischer: bit late I guess

Wol Euler: sleep well

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: heh

Wol Euler: not to worry :)

Liza Deischer: I'm afraid I just got up :-)

Wol Euler: good for you!

Wol Euler: wish I could say the same.

Liza Deischer: I can imagine

Wol Euler: I nearly missed my session, slept through the alarm

Liza Deischer: then you must be very tired

Wol Euler nods.

Liza Deischer: which isn't a surprise I guess

Liza Deischer: You're okay?

Wol Euler: I think so, yes.

Wol Euler: and you?

Liza Deischer: yes

Liza Deischer: I was very tired last week

Wol Euler: mmm?

Liza Deischer: having asked too much form myself

Liza Deischer: but slowly feeling better

Wol Euler: good

Liza Deischer: and starting to sleep better too :-)

Wol Euler: very good :)

Liza Deischer: but if I sink through my physical resistents, it also has consequences on the psychological level

Wol Euler: oh yes, definitely.

Liza Deischer: so I'm glad I passed that

Liza Deischer: you don't need to work today?

Wol Euler: yes, I do, just not yet. The office accepts my Friday mornings off for SL

Wol Euler: though they probably think I'm mad

Liza Deischer: oh, thats great

Liza Deischer: heheh

Wol Euler: well they can hardly complain given the amount of overtime that I'm doing.

Liza Deischer: no, they can't

Wol Euler: I would love to work to the rule of my contract! to start and finish exactly on time

Liza Deischer: yes, I understand

Liza Deischer: Except for the times that you really have something different to do

Liza Deischer: like today

Liza Deischer: you never know what your day is going to look like

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: which is good in a way, I don't think I'd be happy as a worker on an assembly line

Liza Deischer: true too

Wol Euler smiles. Although, actually, I have done that before, and it wasn't bad at all :)

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: because after a half hour or so your body does the work by itself,and your mind is absolutely free

Liza Deischer: so there is something in it for you, you like

Liza Deischer: okay.....interesting

Wol Euler: oh yes, I love the job, it's only the excess of hours that upset me

Liza Deischer: what is it you do exactly?

Wol Euler: I'm an architect

Wol Euler: right now we are producing tender documents (lists of instructions and quantities of materials basically)

Wol Euler: for a project which started on site in January

Wol Euler: so there is a significant deadline pressure to get them finished

Wol Euler: the following trades have to be ready to go as soon as the concrete is poured

Wol Euler: and many of them have very long lead-in times, steelwork has to be cut and welded etc

Liza Deischer: Yes, I understand

Wol Euler: six and a half tonnes of tiles have to be ordered and delivered :)

Liza Deischer: wow :-)

Liza Deischer: how big is the project?

Wol Euler: it's fascinating, I am learning so much

Wol Euler: a swimming pool/health complex, two big pools + kiddies' pool, saunas, solarium, a little restaurant

Liza Deischer: learning is always a nice component of a good job

Wol Euler: the budget is only 10 million Euros, which is very tight for a building of this scope

Wol Euler: so a lot of our effort goes into reducing costs, finding cheaper materials and faster building processes

Liza Deischer: and ask a lot of tiles :-)

Liza Deischer: Ah, yes, that can be fascinating

Wol Euler: :)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: the paradox is that architects are paid a percentage of the building cost.

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: so the harder we work to reduce costs, the less we earn!

Liza Deischer: ouch

Wol Euler: really :)

Liza Deischer: but at the same time, because of doing so you got the job

Wol Euler: well, we won the job in a competition, but yes.

Liza Deischer: oh okay

Wol Euler: we won the competition in part because our proposal was cheaper than other firms' projects

Liza Deischer: ah

Wol Euler: and prettier too, of course, but the money was the key factor

Liza Deischer: :-)

A third topic: avatars and identities.

Liza Deischer: something completely different Wol

Wol Euler grins hopefully

Liza Deischer: do you wear white hair or is it my viewer

Wol Euler: my hair is white :)

Wol Euler: but everyting else is black

Liza Deischer: great because it looks good on you :-)

Wol Euler: ty :)

Liza Deischer: sorry Isuppose I haven't got a good topic today :-)

Wol Euler: I used to wear white hair all the time when I first rezzed

Wol Euler: but switched to that dark red about a year ago

Liza Deischer: ah, so back to basics

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: also: I made another alt recently and have been experimenting with aesthetics with her

Liza Deischer: both are looking good on you, but white is a little bit more different

Wol Euler: very pure and minimal

Wol Euler: a nearly-white skin, she wears only black and white clothes, hair, accessories

Wol Euler: and her appearnce is rubbing off on me :)

Liza Deischer: yes, obviously

Liza Deischer: alts do influence each other

Liza Deischer: I noticed

Liza Deischer: myself

Wol Euler: ah :)

Wol Euler: it's funny how distinct they are from each other

Liza Deischer: yes, that too

Liza Deischer: but parts I work out with one alt, I see it getting imbedded (in a different way though) in other alts

Wol Euler: it's like they teach each other what they learn :)

Liza Deischer: yes :-)

Wol Euler: brb, tea

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: I forgot that it was stewing

Liza Deischer: I do that a lot of times, forgetting about things like that :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: how many alts do you have?

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: I was talking about alts :-), but it is actually one, male

Liza Deischer: I have a strong male-side in me

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: I guess it feels very different being him?

Liza Deischer: It gives me the opportunity to get to know that side better

Liza Deischer: yes it does, in a way that suprised me

Wol Euler: :)

Liza Deischer: he is so more relaxed

Liza Deischer: the kind of guy that like to take his shoes off and walk along the beach feeling the sand under his feat

Wol Euler smiles.

Liza Deischer: sensitive though, but in a different way

Wol Euler: and normal-you doesn't do that?

Liza Deischer: well, not enought

Wol Euler nods

Liza Deischer: my live hasn't been easy

Wol Euler: perhaps you will, now that he has shown you how

Wol Euler: that happens a lot

Liza Deischer: and because of my fatigue I'm very limited in what I can do

Wol Euler: there's even a word for it: backformation

Liza Deischer: yes, it reflects on me, definetely

Liza Deischer: backformation, hmmm

Wol Euler: oh, sorry, I wrote across your last lines. Liza, I'm sorry to hear it

Liza Deischer: that's okay

Liza Deischer: To me sl is also a new window on live

Wol Euler nods.

Liza Deischer: in which I can do things that aren't possible in real life

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Liza Deischer: so for now, I settle with the sand and the beach on sl :-)

Wol Euler: many people do that here

Wol Euler: but to go back a step, almost everyone I speak to says that their alt is more relaxed than their original av

Wol Euler: calmer, more open, more experimental

Wol Euler: braver

Liza Deischer: yes, I have been trying to understand why, but actually it is obvious

Wol Euler: I think that our first av here is *ourselves* projected into the world

Wol Euler: the second (third fourth …) is free of that baggage

Wol Euler: it doesn't have the burden of being us, as it were

Liza Deischer: exactly, my thoughts too

Liza Deischer: but it is nice to see that if you 'split' that part from yourself, how strong it can be

Wol Euler: I would never have suspected the strength and the depth, and the joy, of my other-gendered personality side without SL

Liza Deischer: YES :-)

Wol Euler: splitting, yes, like taking a shoot from a crowded pot and giving it a pot of its own to grow in :)

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: it allows us to focus on that other bit, which in the normal daily life is such a small voice

Wol Euler: Maxine talks about "minority personalities"

Wol Euler: that is what a successful alt is, the expresssion of a minority personality

Liza Deischer: yes, in by doing so, making it stronger

Wol Euler nods.

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: I have a feeling you have quite a number of alts :-)

Wol Euler: five :)

Wol Euler: but only three of us are really active

Wol Euler: one is purely for business, she never really developed into a person

Liza Deischer: three of 'us' :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: yes, we are an Us.

Liza Deischer: hmmm, maybe you're right

Wol Euler: me and the business one are alts of my original, but the other two are definitely MY alts, they feel no relation to my original

Liza Deischer: only aspects of yourself

Wol Euler: sure :)

Liza Deischer: because it is still an 'us'

Wol Euler: but why "only"? :)

Wol Euler: they are aspects of various Me's

Liza Deischer: that is because you confused me a bit: 'no relation to my original'

Wol Euler: oh, I see, sorry. I was thinking of that like family structures

Wol Euler: original is grandparent, business and I are the children, the new two are grandchildren

Liza Deischer: :-)

Wol Euler: they are only distantly related to grandparent, whereas I feel more attached to him

Liza Deischer: you probably refering to the 'growing' part

Wol Euler: ah, yes, good idea.

Wol Euler: they reflect the changes in RL-Me since I began in SL

Wol Euler: that feels true.

Liza Deischer: that should be right I guess

Liza Deischer: thinking of it, I think my alt is younger too

Wol Euler smiles

Liza Deischer: more 'fresh' :-)

Liza Deischer: still 'crispy' hahah

Wol Euler: heheheheheheh

Liza Deischer: well, I hope to see my grandchildren to grow up one day :-)

Wol Euler nods. I wish you that, Liza.

Wol Euler: are you working on the step inbetween? :)

Liza Deischer: the step in between?

Wol Euler: the children

Liza Deischer: ah, no not yet

Wol Euler: or did you mean SL grandchildren?

Liza Deischer: yes, the latter

Wol Euler sighs. Misunderstood that, sorry.

Liza Deischer: I don't have children, I'm too old to get then, and never wanted them

Wol Euler nods.

Liza Deischer: that sounds a bit rude

Liza Deischer: but I never I had the feeling of wanting a child

Wol Euler nods

Liza Deischer: it is just not there

Liza Deischer: how about you?

Wol Euler: no children, but did and do want them.

Wol Euler: I am very good with kids, I think I would have made a good parent

Wol Euler: so perhaps I will be a good aunt instead

Liza Deischer: :-)

Liza Deischer: no chance anymore of getting them :-)

--BELL--

Wol Euler: Liza, I'm sorry, but time is passing and I do need to get to work

Liza Deischer: sure, no problem

Liza Deischer: but I liked our chat

Wol Euler: me too, I'm glad to have seen you again

Wol Euler: take care, be happy

Liza Deischer: same to you wol

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What a wonderful session and how tickled am I to get to meet Wol in a month! :D