2010.04.08 07:00 - american trains and the meaning of pab

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Pema Pera: Hi Widget!
    Pema Pera: and hi Arch
    Widget Whiteberry: Hi! Good morning to you both
    Widget Whiteberry: brb
    Archmage Atlantis: Greetings, Pema, Widget
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: is wifi standart in american trains ?
    Pema Pera: American trains are few and not standard in general
    Pema Pera: it depends on the local trains
    Pema Pera: but I doubt it
    Archmage Atlantis: Commuter trains in the NE, or Amtrack trains accross country?
    Pema Pera: not in my commuter train
    Widget Whiteberry reads up-thread
    Archmage Atlantis: Then probably not in any trains
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so, how is everyone today ?
    Pema Pera: I'm happy to be in San Francisco
    Widget Whiteberry: I am well and ready for my day
    Pema Pera: Widget and I had a nice walk here, a few days ago
    Widget Whiteberry: we raced up and down hils
    Archmage Atlantis: Good, thank you, and you Yaku?
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Widget Whiteberry grins
    Pema Pera: breathtakingly so!
    Pema Pera: the view and the climb
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i hope you didn´t slip in the mud somewhere :)
    Pema Pera: not this time, no
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, arch i am also fine, i am showing pab to a friend of mine
    Pema Pera waves to Yaku's friend
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i forgot that i took over the slot before i made the appointment with himj :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so were there more appearances in SF so far ?
    Pema Pera: SF is full of appearances :-)
    Pema Pera: beyond imagination
    Pema Pera: but as far as guardians go, Stim lives nearby
    Pema Pera: I haven't seen other ones yet
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I wondered what you meant by "appearance" Yaku
    Archmage Atlantis: That is a broad word
    Pema Pera: Widget and I talked about "life as a lab" and how some people like the idea, while for others it sounds cold and strange
    Pema Pera: I wonder how you all view that idea
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes arch, appearance in the context of pab is for me related with we should maybe enjoiy (appreciate things more)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean pab is in general just a reminder on mindfulness and kind of carpe diem still to really think that way when the boss is jelling is the issue
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least that´s how i see it at this time
    Pema Pera: so how do you deal with that, Yaku?
    Pema Pera: when the boss is yelling?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just try to think how my intentions were when doing my job, so i never intentionally want to scew up so i go upfront and try not to hide anything from hin
    Yakuzza Lethecus: him
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right now that usually works best
    --BELL--
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so there won´t be yelling, at least i can´t remember for many month :)
    Archmage Atlantis: How do you deal with it spiritually and emotionally, Yaku.........I no longer am in the workplace, but I know I would be quite upset and angry.....and probably not able to escape into my mind as I would have been focused on "fixing" the situation
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't recommend that approach, btw
    Widget Whiteberry: 'escape into your mind,' Archmage?
    Pema Pera: (it feels great to use the 90 seconds to be still, in SL as well as in RL)
    Widget Whiteberry waves to Bleu
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
    Pema Pera: hi Bleu!
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone!
    Archmage Atlantis: ummmm..not in these sense of shutting out the situation or the yelling......more in the sense of reflection and new perception
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Widget Whiteberry: Sitting here with all you around this pool, I am focusing on being here - and not multi-tasking at my computer. When the 90 sec bell rang, I took a deep breath and noticed what all my senses were offering my mind
    Widget Whiteberry: If I can do that for 9 secs as I go about my day, I suspect I will 'come back to the moment' refreshed
    Pema Pera: yes, there is a huge difference between sitting here while multitasking and sitting here and actually being here fully, if virtually!
    Bleu Oleander: the same in rl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i still have the issue that i actually do the breathing but still have a problem to communicate little things that feel inimportant when in fact they aren´t
    Widget Whiteberry: if I think of my day as a dance, the 9 sec pauses are like the little moments when we stop and shift or hold our weight
    Pema Pera nods to Bleu
    Pema Pera: perhaps changes our partners, like in a square dance :)
    Pema Pera: switch to other worries . . . :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I think I actually understand the dance metaphor Widget >)
    Widget Whiteberry: or switch off worries for a moment and just attend to the music
    Pema Pera: yes, much better!
    Widget Whiteberry grins at Archmage
    Pema Pera: Yaku, in "have a problem to communicate little things that feel inimportant when in fact they aren´t" -- can you say more about that?
    Widget Whiteberry: yes, Yaku, please do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i often don´t know what to reflect here in the circle
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i have the tendency that it even feels easier to fall into general chat than talking about little perceptions, actually i was extremly unmindful crunching a chocolate cockie which also reminded me of the eating meditations which i ,,didn´t do"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i struggle with making mindfullness habitual
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because my behavior is different while i know what might be a better way to explore, in a way
    Widget Whiteberry: what way of exploring appeals to you, Yak?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know, that´s why i wait for glimes around second life
    Pema Pera: when you do the 9 seconds, by yourself, in RL, do you notice more of these "little perceptions"?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i usually just do them during the pab sessions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think about the topic more often, so i hear mp3´s
    Yakuzza Lethecus: about meditation and contemplative idea´s
    --BELL--
    Widget Whiteberry: Hello Sophia!
    Archmage Atlantis: My belief, and it is only my opinion, is that each entity is unique, therefore what a particular entity needs to receive from meditation, which is how I see the 9 seconds most of the time....is also unique
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning :))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so the last thing which was interesting was when zen arado talked about zen yesterday and his interest in it i liked that i knew about suzuki roshi for example the topic is really new for me
    Pema Pera: (during the 90 seconds, I found myself smiling at Yaku's picture of being too busy listening to tapes about meditation to do short meditations :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven´t had contact to contemplative idea´s
    Pema Pera: hi Sharon!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi ssl :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Sharon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am not to busy
    Pema Pera: yes, Arch, and that's why it's nice to let the 9 sec be open, to allow unique responses by anyone
    Archmage Atlantis: That is am amusing picture Pema.....it is a place I have been....trying to do meditation the "right" way
    Widget Whiteberry: During this past 90 sec. I watched the mist rise from the water ... then at the end I wondered if there is a bell sound and moved the sound slider
    Pema Pera: in that case, Yaku, it may be fun to try the 9 sec in RL, say for an hour a day, just four times
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just try to get into different idea´s somehow and pab is one of many elements for me
    Pema Pera: hi Eliza!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eliza :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i really like the idea of dropping and appreciation
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi Bleu, Pema, Widget, Sharon, Ya, and Arch :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry have a tewrrible connection again
    Pema Pera: would you like to share with us something you recently dropped, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i often get stuck when i engage new things i want to force something
    SophiaSharon Larnia: terrible*
    Pema Pera: sorry to hear that, Sharon!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the biggest thing is my fear of academics :)
    Pema Pera: boooh!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: (sorry, couldn't help myself :-)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: This is probably not a topic for a group discussion, but it fits so well for me, I will share it anyway.........when I think to much during physical intimacy, it becomes difficult to be intimate......when I think analytically during any form of meditation, it is difficult to meditate
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I know what that's like Pema :)
    Pema Pera trying very hard not to be scary :-)
    Eliza Madrigal pictures tweed coat nightmares .. but knows what Ya means :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i described you as a cute, funny impressive little man to someone after the retreat
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Widget Whiteberry: Archmage: I think anything that helps us to understand our experience of reality and our minds could be a useful topic
    Widget Whiteberry: 'thinking too much' to experience our bodies seems a big topic
    Archmage Atlantis: ty, Widget
    Widget Whiteberry: and an important one
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bleu is good for talking about the mind and neuroscience :)
    Pema Pera: Yaku, you said "i really like the idea of dropping and appreciation" -- can you get an example of something you dropped recently? I always find it much easier to talk about concrete examples
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: *give
    Pema Pera: (not "get")
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, actually i didn´t just wanted to flatter you with the academics example
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s really about my behavior towards ppl that somewhat seem out of my range and usually block me talking to those ppl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so being more communicative is an issue
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and not to get ,,stuck" all the time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i still don´t get ,,TSK" bye the way
    Archmage Atlantis: Was that an example of "falling into chat?"
    Widget Whiteberry: and not intimidating ourselves ... I can fall into that pattern ... SL has helped me to let go of it
    Pema Pera: but did you "drop" something specific in all that?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe yes arch :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in someway it is
    Eliza Madrigal: Great phrase, Widget... intimidating ourselves
    Widget Whiteberry: ty, Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s how i watch my thought around pab, falling into chat and fearing that i also contribute from drfting away from any pab related topics
    Widget Whiteberry: Yak, do you have a way of bringing yourself back (from that drifting away)?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no, i am floating i don´t know yet
    --BELL--
    Yakuzza Lethecus: especially when i have ppl in the circle whom i would like to stay in there and i usually like it when ,,other ppl share"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i don´t want it to be to boring for ppl and might even make it uninteresting for ppl in the way i do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: quiet stupid
    Archmage Atlantis: Yaku, I hope the focus on you in this conversation is useful and not offputting...I commend you on staying with the constant inquiries :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh you don't! I get what you're saying Yak!!
    Pema Pera: you are saying what many of us think, Yak, thank you for expressing those worries!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: actually in the case of widget i had that issue often, i see her posting on aw groupies all the time and then the public speaking events
    Widget Whiteberry: and?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so she´s often leaving early and i feel there is nothing around here for her
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you :L)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, damn
    Archmage Atlantis: chuckles
    Widget Whiteberry: Yak, would it help to know that I always feel in AW Groupies that I am lucky to be part of that group ... and barely understand half of what they say?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have no clue what they are saying too btw :)
    Eliza Madrigal admires the way Yakuzza exposes his fears and thinks that's a wonderfully adventurous quality.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Pema Pera: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have a question for all after yesterdays AM session, it has little to do with what we talked about at the time... sort of related to this topic.
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure... listens
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the word 'frame' was used, and it wasn't until later how much i resisted the idea of something being 'framed'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: how much i realized* i mean... what does the word mean to you all?
    Bleu Oleander: there are many ways to say something
    Eliza Madrigal: hm... setting a focus
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Widget Whiteberry: How was 'frame' used? It has more than one meaning
    Eliza Madrigal: cropping, as in picture editing I guess
    SophiaSharon Larnia: using it as a focus for meditation
    Eliza Madrigal: (which doesn't mean one doesn't keep other copies of the full picture and work with that too)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Widget Whiteberry: a number of years ago, 'frame' became popular in some branches of logistics
    Widget Whiteberry: and the meaning quickly degraded in popular usage
    Archmage Atlantis: To frame is to put structure around something....a picture, a concept......A frame can be a prison.....but it can also be a step on the way to greater freedom.....depends on how the individual view it
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I see it as just isolating for deeper focus or clarity
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i resisted putting that kind of frame on anything, i find
    Bleu Oleander: shaping the context of ideas
    Widget Whiteberry: 'frame' also refers to the way our minds create neural pathways
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods nods
    Widget Whiteberry: attached to ideas or experiences
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Yesterday we framed the pauses... concentrating on senses in particular
    Widget Whiteberry: I think Bleu may understand this concept more completely than I do
    Archmage Atlantis: Gotta go, sudden interruption.....great topics
    Widget Whiteberry: oh! 'framed' as in 'emphasized'?
    Bleu Oleander: no, only a student
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Archmage :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Arch :)
    Pema Pera: in general, everything has a context, there are no phenomena without context, so in that sense everything has a kind of frame
    Pema Pera: bye Arch!
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to arrive late and leave early today, glad to pop in for a bit though :) Thanks
    Bleu Oleander: frames can be consciously or unconsciously constructed?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care eliza
    Pema Pera: (and as an aside to Yaku, to wrap up an earlier thread, you've presenting a wonderful example of "dropping" -- dropping hesitance to talk about your own fears -- one of the most difficult things to drop; thank you!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Pema, I think I needed to add that to the picture
    Eliza Madrigal: I look forward to reading the end of the log... interesting :)
    Pema Pera: bye Eliza!
    Bleu Oleander: dropping hesitance ... nice idea
    Widget Whiteberry: yes, that's a new way of thinking of 'dropping' for me
    Widget Whiteberry: I like that
    Pema Pera: well, I have to get going too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema :)
    Pema Pera: great discussion, thank you all !
    Widget Whiteberry: Yak, I don't mind being an example; if it's helpful
    Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Widget Whiteberry: time for me to go too
    Bleu Oleander: bye all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone then :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles....bye!
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