2010.04.10 19:00 - It goes Oops oops oops

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Eden Haiku: Hello Pëma, good evening!
    Pema Pera: hi Eden!
    Pema Pera: Good evening to you too!
    Pema Pera: Thanks for the note on your poetry reading
    Pema Pera: so that's tomorrow, 7pm -- I'll see whether I can make it!
    Pema Pera: welcome back, Eden
    Pema Pera: unstable internet connection?
    Eden Haiku: Soory, SL crashed... This is so unusual...
    Eden Haiku: Was moving my camera to look at your hair! :))
    Pema Pera blushes
    Pema Pera: should have put a flower in it . . .
    Eden Haiku: Never sat so close to you before :)))
    Pema Pera: after all I'm in San Francisco now
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, flower power!
    Pema Pera: even though 43 years too late for "flower power" . . .
    Pema Pera: but I do remember listening to the songs, as a teenager in Holland
    Eden Haiku: Well, it is still in the air somewhere...
    Pema Pera: and dreaming about visiting SF some day . . . .
    Pema Pera: yes, it is
    Eden Haiku: We all lived in San Francisco in those years!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eden Haiku: I remember hearing about the hippies and the flower power from my philosophy teacher!
    Pema Pera: oh? what did he/she say about them?
    Pema Pera: Hi Lucinda!
    Eden Haiku: I don't remember exactly but I wanted to in San Francisco. I did, a few years later :)
    Eden Haiku: It sounded fascinating!
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Pema, Eden
    Pema Pera: it took me 13 years :)
    Eden Haiku: HI Lucinda.
    Lucinda joined us, soon to be followed by Pila
    Pema Pera: and how fascinating was it in reality, when you visited?
    Eden Haiku: I had to cross a continent but you had to croos the Atlantic also!
    Pema Pera: hi Pila!
    Eden Haiku: Hello Pila!
    Pema Pera: yes, quite a trip
    Pila Mulligan: hi Pema, Eden and Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Pila
    Eden Haiku: Well it was mainly over, the hippies. But I was still in the air.
    Eden Haiku: People building fires on the beaches...
    Pema Pera: much needed in chilly San Francisco :-)
    Eden Haiku: What about your experience when you finally got there?
    Pila Mulligan: hi Cal
    Lucinda Lavender: hi Cal!
    Eden Haiku: Hi Calvino.
    Pema Pera: actually I was spending more time in Berkeley, that was in 1980
    Pema Pera: hi Cal!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone!
    Eden Haiku: Visited Berkeley too. Saw a Somerste Maughan play there. Beautiful campus.
    Pema Pera: yes, amazingly constructed to let you feel like getting lost on what really is a tiny area
    Pila Mulligan: I was there in 1970 -- during antiwar rallies -- and liked it much
    Pila Mulligan: it felt fresh
    Eden Haiku: It was still buzzing with Ferlinghetto and Burroughs and Ginsberg then...
    Pema Pera: so Pila and Eden, you may have passed each other 40 years ago!
    Eden Haiku: *Ferlinghetti
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: oh, you were there then Eden?
    Eden Haiku: No, in 1975.
    Pila Mulligan: close :)
    Eden Haiku: Just for a month or so, travelling.
    Pila Mulligan: I was just there for a week :)
    Pema Pera: oh, that was a long "few years", Eden, from 1967 to 1975 :-)
    Eden Haiku: 1967?
    Pema Pera: yes, the flower power time was right then
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pema Pera: so when you said a few years after, I assumed 1970
    Eden Haiku: I thought it ws even earlierv than that, 64 or 65, no?
    Pema Pera: well, there was a longer period of similar interest, but the peak, and I think the name flower power was in 1967
    Eden Haiku: Well, time is elastic so...
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pila set the history straight:
    Pila Mulligan: "In January 1967, the Human Be-In in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco popularized hippie culture, leading to the legendary Summer of Love on the West Coast of the United States, and the 1969 Woodstock Festival on the East Coast. " wiki
    Eden Haiku: So only you here will be in the retreat isn'it Pema?
    Eden Haiku: You are the new hippies!
    Pema Pera: there will be six of us, and yes, from this group I'll be the only one
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Eden Haiku: Is it the first time the retreat is 5 days long?
    Pema Pera: yes, the longest so far AND an Urban retreat, rather than off in the boondogs
    Pema Pera: with cafe visits and all that :-)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, urabn makes a difference for sure. Looking forward to hear your reports :)))
    Pema Pera: me too!
    Pema Pera: a whole new experiment
    Pema Pera: Stim, Gaya, Eos, Eliza, Wol, and me
    Pila Mulligan: nice group
    Pema Pera: a six pack of guardians . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Eden Haiku: It reminds me of Leonard Cohen's song : 'First we take Manhattan" For PaB, it wil be : "First we take San Francsico"!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: starting with Japan Town
    Pema Pera: where our hotel happens to be, the Hotel Kabuki
    Eden Haiku: yes, that looks very nice.
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah yes, there are so many fabulous vistas for outdoor sits
    Pema Pera: yes
    I decided to get back to basics, and my question was followed by a relatively long silence :)
    Pema Pera: on another topic, does anybody like to share some of their observations while doing the 9-sec breaks (if anyone is still doing them?)?
    Calvino Rabeni: That is a good question to ask Pema
    Pila Mulligan: I still do the variation I had been doing for many years before I found SL
    Pila Mulligan: yesterday evening, ELiza dn Cal and I had this exchange:
    Pila Mulligan: Eliza Madrigal: even in the pauses at times... stretching... checking posture... though I've often done that Pila Mulligan: yep :) Calvino Rabeni: There is a certain lengthening of the spine that I feel, has to arise from within it Pila Mulligan: to me that is the actual value of the 9 second pause Pila Mulligan: like a yoga Pila Mulligan: not the only value, but most actual to me
    Pila Mulligan: = kind of a physical adjustment
    Pema Pera: thanks for sharing that exchange, Pila, interesting!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: but I came into it from a physical anglke, so unsurprisingly I still treat it thus
    Calvino Rabeni: It is the same with me also
    Pila Mulligan: similar to when PaBers comment on th sense of the shoulder relaxing
    --BELL--
    Lucinda Lavender: I feeI feel a softening and breathing in the body and a spaciousness in the mind...I stop listening to words for that time since I am new to this I wonder if I am doing what makes sense...
    Pema Pera: absolutely, Lucinda!
    Pema Pera: there are many ways to do it, and many of us explore different ways and aspects
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that's true, I have some various things to do within that pause, but they are not "how it should be done"
    Lucinda Lavender: I have read at the wiki about 9 sec and 90 sec...not sure I understand there
    Pema Pera: oh, the 90 seconds is just an extra long pause, same idea as the 9 sec
    Pema Pera: and really there is no set way
    Lucinda commented on the felt sense of reality within this virtual world.
    Lucinda Lavender: I think it is interesting that when I sit on the virtual pillow...I see the others sitting and I feel this immediate settling
    Pema Pera: yes! quite amazing, isn't it?
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The other day I found it was relaxing to have the avatar "lie down" :)
    Pema Pera: how this sense of immersion can extend to relaxation
    Pila Mulligan: maybe it is somewhat like a dream
    Pema Pera: a shared dream :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...that would be one way I relate to it
    Lucinda Lavender: I dreamed of a small dish in which objects are built in 2l
    Pila Mulligan: sounds like biology lab
    Lucinda Lavender: LIke a petrie dish in which a liquid is stirred by the finger.
    Lucinda Lavender: 2L is entering the dreams
    Pema Pera: ah, you mean Second Life?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eden Haiku: ah, 2L as in Second Life! Was wondering what you meant!
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, during the 9-second pause, the attention can be like a finger stirring the contents of the mind to new creations
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Pema Pera: it is interesting to see Second Life entering our dreams sometimes
    Lucinda Lavender: as close as ones hand
    Calvino Rabeni: There is the MInd's Eye, traditionally - and here we have the Mind's FInger
    Eden Haiku: I had the 'sharing the media' feature of Viewer 2 happening in a dream...
    Pila Mulligan: well, while scientists are awake they do dream lab work with sleeping subects, maybe there is a corollary where SLs dreamlike citizens do waking lab with avatars
    Eden Haiku: Waking labs , yes:))
    Calvino Rabeni: The figures in dreams appear to have an intelligence of their own, separate from the dreamer-self
    Pila Mulligan: and, as Maxine once said, dreams seem to have rules of their own too
    Calvino Rabeni: So far, our SL avatars can't do anything "on their own" - but that can't be too long in coming, I think
    Pema Pera: oh, they can dance on their own!
    I should have known that this innocent remark would lead to an onigokko episode . . . :)
    Calvino Rabeni: When the Calvino avatar starts to "talk back" to Me, then we'll be in to interesting territory
    Pila Mulligan: but with the lsightest prompt they can seem so alive, such as onigokko
    Calvino Rabeni: We know they are danced by a script - they don't do their own dancing yet :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pila Mulligan: ah, Pema same same
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: ... would anyone like to dance?
    Pila Mulligan: onigokko
    Eden Haiku: Thnak you for the caht, I need to go now,,,,
    Pema Pera: bye Eden!
    Pila Mulligan: bye Eden
    Pila Mulligan: stop
    Pema Pera: a well-timed "stop" Pila!
    Pila Mulligan: there, got some energy movgin :)
    Pema Pera: makes me thirsty!
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Eden...
    Pila Mulligan: getting Cal loosened up for his travels
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Prep for sitting on the plane all day
    Pema Pera: how long will you be gone, Cal?
    Pila Mulligan: do NOT smoke int he plane's bathroom :)
    Calvino Rabeni: two weeks, back for 2 days, then to oregon for a few weeks
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll be connected somewhat while traveling via my little traveling netbook
    Pema Pera: oh, you can smoke, but no joke about the smoke!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: lest you send the world to DEFCON 1
    Calvino Rabeni: Ait travel is a Joke Free Zone now
    Pila Mulligan: sn't it
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pila Mulligan: isn't*
    Pila Mulligan: except when you are in the air
    Pema Pera: wish that was a joke . . . .
    Pila Mulligan: then it is periolus to have humor
    Calvino Rabeni: But, every now and then one can charm the stewardess out of a free drink
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, time for dinner!
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care everyone - I'll send a pic from time to time :)
    Pila Mulligan: bye for now Cal, bon voyage
    Pema Pera: bye Cal!
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks :) and bye
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Cal! safe travels!
    Pila Mulligan: he's arriving in the middle of their new years celebration
    Lucinda Lavender: wow!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: April 10th-15th
    Lucinda Lavender: I see...
    Lucinda returns to a central topic for PaB.
    Lucinda Lavender: I would like to learn more about dropping.
    Pema Pera: One exploration I like to do is to switch between direct and indirect ways of "dropping" what I'm doing.
    Pema Pera: the simplest form is to just stop what you're doing
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Pema Pera: but you can also continue and stop the usual attachment to what you're doing
    Pema Pera: and instead watch yourself doing what you're doing
    Pema Pera: for example, while talking with someone
    Pema Pera: it is interesting to spend a little while listening to yourself
    Pema Pera: your tone of voice, your body posture and tension, etc
    Pema Pera: can be very revealing, I find :)
    Pema Pera: and helpful
    Pila Mulligan: and then in broader terms there's Tao Te Ching Verse 48 ... "In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired. In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped. Less and less is done Until non-action is achieved. "
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Pema Pera: yes, that's the ideal
    Lucinda Lavender: there is alot of action happening in my dialy life
    Pema Pera: but in the middle of action, you may be able to discover a kind of calm or stillness
    Pila Mulligan: does the action flow smoothly or is it more bumpy?
    Lucinda Lavender: mostly smooth
    Pila Mulligan: nice :)
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: so a sense of calm or stillness may be germinating already
    Pila Mulligan: by contrast, Lucinda, very little action happens in my dialy life ... my stress comes form scheduling naps
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: nice...
    Pila Mulligan: Pema is now departing from Gate 1 :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: see you both next time!
    Pila Mulligan: smooth flying Pema San
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Lucinda Lavender: I am remembering a song...bye Pema! Safe travels!
    Alas, I departed just before the title song for this session appeared.
    Lucinda Lavender: The song is called Oops!
    Pila Mulligan: hmm, Oops ... I do ont rememer it
    Pila Mulligan: is that the one with the vers "oops there goe a million kilowatt dam"
    Lucinda Lavender: It goes Oops oops oops I 'm always dropping oops,oops,oops, I always spilling. oops Oops oops do I have to pick it up/ I don't want to pick it up!
    Lucinda Lavender: For kids
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: nice lyrics
    Lucinda Lavender: Yes
    Lucinda Lavender: It has a new meaning!
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I leaned a way of jumping
    Lucinda Lavender: learned
    Lucinda Lavender: would you like to try?
    Pila Mulligan: how do you do it?
    Pila Mulligan: is it a gesture?
    Lucinda Lavender: no the e button
    Pila Mulligan: that was just tapping the fly button once lightly
    Pila Mulligan: e
    Lucinda Lavender: It started happening accidentally
    Pila Mulligan: hmm
    Lucinda Lavender: oh.
    Pila Mulligan: mine does not do it :)
    Lucinda Lavender: It happens in the viewer 2
    Pila Mulligan: do oyu have a Ma
    Pila Mulligan: MAc*
    Lucinda Lavender: as a shortcut
    Pila Mulligan: I'm using version 1 still
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Pila Mulligan: and I have a PC, they may have different keyboard functions
    Lucinda Lavender: I find tho that when it happens I get happy
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: whqt is the object over to my right?
    Pila Mulligan: ooops, jump, oops, jump
    Lucinda Lavender: in mid air
    Lucinda Lavender: yes! oops jump
    Pila Mulligan: several people (myself included) have aksed and wondered what that obect is
    Pila Mulligan: so far no one knows
    Pila Mulligan: it belongs to Wol
    Pila Mulligan: and Wol does alot of the geek stuff for this pavaillion
    Pila Mulligan: so it coud be anyhtiing :)
    Lucinda Lavender: something to ponder
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    Pila Mulligan: do you do much formal meditation Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: not right now, just at yoga class and for a while at a Buddhist temple my friend joined
    Lucinda Lavender: I did it for quite some time many years ago
    Lucinda Lavender: tm
    Pila Mulligan: :) dropping seems to be one of those terms used yb several contempltive traditions, but somehow noetheless remains a bit ambiguouos
    Lucinda Lavender: and do you?
    Pila Mulligan: ah Maharishi ... nice
    Pila Mulligan: I do Chines
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: but I once meditated in MAharishis golden dome
    Pila Mulligan: it was nice
    Lucinda Lavender: I was being regular about it this last fall tho
    Lucinda Lavender: Every morning I take some time tho in my waking
    Pila Mulligan: I think meditation is really helpful for those doing it
    Pila Mulligan: yes, waking is a special time :)
    Lucinda Lavender: if I wake up a bit earlier I can have my coffe and some quiet time
    Pila Mulligan: http://goldendome.org/roof/GoldenDomeFix0.jpg <- Maharishi University's Golden Dome (meditaion place)
    Lucinda Lavender: cool thanks for the link
    Pila Mulligan: L)
    Pila Mulligan: yes, when people say they canont find time ti meditate I suggest they try making half an hour bu waking up a little easrlier
    Lucinda Lavender: In the US?
    Pila Mulligan: yes, Fairfile dIowa
    Pila Mulligan: Fairfield*
    Lucinda Lavender: Right I remember!
    Pila Mulligan: :0
    Pila Mulligan: they do a lot of sicence there researching meditation
    Pila Mulligan: quite interesting
    Lucinda Lavender: yes, I heard that the students are very creative
    Pila Mulligan: I think much of the ultimate value of meditaion is available through any consious or consientious practice
    Pila Mulligan: but meditaion is kind of the consolidated route to that end value
    Lucinda Lavender: do you do taichi her in second life?
    Pila Mulligan: no, but I do it daily in real life :0
    Pila Mulligan: I have done it in SL too
    Pila Mulligan: not regularly :)
    Pila Mulligan: nice scripts
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not know how to do it in SL but am wondering. I took a class onece in college and loved it.
    Pila Mulligan: yes, it is one of those elegant exercises that really works
    Pila Mulligan: in SL you need to find a tai chi pose ball -- a script object
    Lucinda Lavender: I have see the tai chi floating things...odes on click on the,?
    Pila Mulligan: then it is like sitting on a cushion, click an g
    Pila Mulligan: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: *them
    Pila Mulligan: and go*
    Lucinda Lavender: I will try.
    Lucinda Lavender: I have been doing yoga for several years now and it has really helped my body
    Pila Mulligan: they will not work in the pavillion
    Pila Mulligan: it overrides them
    Pila Mulligan: oh, they are working :)
    Pila Mulligan: try cllcking one
    Lucinda Lavender: I click but then what?
    Pila Mulligan: right click and then clicik "sit here"
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: ... and they are synchronized :)
    Lucinda Lavender: nice:)
    Lucinda Lavender: It might help me remember it
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: it is a nice script
    Pila Mulligan: brb
    Lucinda Lavender: brb?
    Lucinda Lavender: what does that mean?
    --BELL--
    Pila Mulligan: = 'be right back' BRB :)
    Pila Mulligan: now I'm back
    Lucinda Lavender: In dream ciah
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Lucinda Lavender: this reminds me of dreams kind of
    Pila Mulligan: it is interesting how relaxing just watching this script can be
    Lucinda Lavender: yes and I am reminded of scooping ice cream
    Pila Mulligan: :0
    Lucinda Lavender: moving energy along...
    Pila Mulligan: that may be the hidden name of one of these tai chi movements. "Scooping the Ice Cream"
    Lucinda Lavender: i am trying it with my arms here
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for the snapshot
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: well thanks Lucinda, that was a peaceful interlude -- I must be getting on to RL now
    Lucinda Lavender: I will have to go now!
    Pila Mulligan: see yu next time
    Lucinda Lavender: me too. thanks tho.
    Pila Mulligan: :0 bye for now
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Pila...
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