2010.04.13 13:00 - half silence half solving all the problems :)

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Mostly while I was there during the session we were sitting in silence and this was exactly what I needed that evening, just calm down, slow the thoughts and do nothing. Qt had the same feeling.

    After I left Ara and Mick came and Darren joined the group again and had a lively discussion.

    Lia Rikugun: hello darren
    Darren Islar: hi Lia
    Darren Islar: I'm will working on the log, didn't found much time and it is quite some work
    Darren Islar: hope to finish it today
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Darren Islar: sorry about the delay
    Lia Rikugun: dont worry
    Qt Core: hi Lia, Darren
    Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
    Darren Islar: hi QT :-)
    --BELL--

    silence and  nothing happening

    Lia Rikugun: silence.. :)
    Qt Core: and pc's fan sound... trying to imagine it like an artificial Om ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe :)
    Lia Rikugun: for me it is good to come down
    Lia Rikugun: nothing happening :)
    Lia Rikugun: there does not have to happen anything
    Qt Core: when nothing happen is easier for someone to happen
    Lia Rikugun: ?
    Qt Core: just being ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: yes

    Darren is working on a chat log and Fox joins us too for just a second to go to the dream workshop.

    Darren Islar: I'm working hard here !!!
    Lia Rikugun: on letting being happen?
    Darren Islar: no,on the log
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: oh :)
    Darren Islar: own choice
    Lia Rikugun: thanks darren
    Darren Islar: no problem, after all the confusion I brought upon you, it is the least I can do :-)
    Lia Rikugun: :) there is always confusion for me from everywhere, so no worries
    Lia Rikugun: hello fox
    --BELL--
    Qt Core: hi Fox
    Darren Islar: h Fox
    Darren Islar: ah, dream workshop
    Darren Islar: right
    Darren Islar: I think I'll go with you
    Fox Monacular: hi everyone, sorry, just passing by:)
    Fox Monacular: yes, dream workshop:)
    Lia Rikugun: have fun :)
    Darren Islar: no worries Lia, I can well understand that I confused you :-)
    Fox Monacular: you too:)
    Darren Islar: following Fox
    Lia Rikugun: bye darren
    Darren Islar: bye, see you
    Qt Core: bye Darren
    Lia Rikugun: hello bleu

    silence and practicing nothing when Bleu joins Qt and me to stay a little.

    Lia Rikugun: qt and i are practicing doing nothing
    Bleu Oleander: Hi Lia, Qt :)
    Bleu Oleander: oh very nice!
    Qt Core: Hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: enjoy your nothingness :)
    Bleu Oleander: c u
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Qt Core: bye
    Lia Rikugun: bye bleu
    --BELL--

    I had to leave at this point to get a good night sleep. But somehow this silence changed something. Very nice experience.

    Lia Rikugun: Qt thank you for being in silence with me
    Lia Rikugun: i think it was ther prefect thing to do tonight for me
    Qt Core: :-) no problem i also needed to quiet down a little
    Lia Rikugun: how powerful a silence can be
    Qt Core: and everywhere else rl or sl i would found something preventing it
    Lia Rikugun: I think I need to leave you now, I am sorry, but I need to sleep
    Qt Core: np, sleep well :-)
    Lia Rikugun: I claimed the log so no need to do that
    Lia Rikugun: thanks again
    Lia Rikugun: the silence changed something
    Qt Core: ty
    Qt Core: good
    Lia Rikugun: :) good night
    --BELL--
    Qt Core: Hi Ara
    arabella Ella: Ciao Qt
    Qt Core: this was a mostly silent session
    Qt Core: but still a useful one ;-)
    arabella Ella: oh ... have you been all alone right through the session?
    arabella Ella: and are you guardian?
    Qt Core: no, that was Lia
    arabella Ella: ah ... and she's gone
    arabella Ella: shall we have part of the chat log in italian then?
    arabella Ella: come stai?
    Qt Core: non male, tu ?
    arabella Ella: bene grazzie
    arabella Ella: ho fatto degli esercizzi oggi ... mi sento bene
    arabella Ella: ho fatto aqua aerobics (come si dice in italiano?)
    Qt Core: molti la chiamano acquagym, sai in inglese tutto suona meglio ;-)
    arabella Ella: ah ... per te forse ... ma sai che la tua lingua e una dei piu belli nel mondo ... la lingua italiana
    Qt Core: bhe, io sono di parte
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: allora Qt ... hai imparato anche il Latino a scuola?
    Qt Core: l'ho studiato un paio di anni, riesco a leggere qualcuna delle iscrizioni dei monumenti e poco altro
    arabella Ella: davvero ... wow ... interessante
    arabella Ella: l'iscrizzioni con la 'V' invece di 'U' e tante cose diverse anche per leggere
    Qt Core: basta sempre e solo usare consonanti dure e si sbaglia poco
    arabella Ella: strong consonants?
    arabella Ella: never heard that expression before?
    Qt Core: k instead oc c sound
    Qt Core: of
    arabella Ella: ah i see
    Qt Core: for example
    Qt Core: non sempre ma quasi
    arabella Ella: yes
    --BELL--
    arabella Ella: Hiya Darren
    Darren Islar: hey
    Qt Core: rehi Darren
    arabella Ella: How are you Darren?
    Darren Islar: tired, but okay
    Darren Islar: thanks
    Darren Islar: you?
    arabella Ella: i am fine thanks
    Qt Core: how was the workshop ?
    Darren Islar: interesting
    arabella Ella: not too fearful at the moment ... since we often discuss fear
    Darren Islar: but because I am so tired, I like the laziness of this pavilion at the moment :-)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Darren Islar: fear is something that is always part of me
    Darren Islar: going up and down
    arabella Ella: yes
    Darren Islar: but I need to say that it took a while before I understood that a lot I was feeling was actually based on fear
    Darren Islar: a lot of emotions can be very strong, but also disguided
    arabella Ella: yes and as humans we tend to be very subjective with our thoughts and our rationality
    Darren Islar: yes
    arabella Ella: (we are always subjective ... but even more so when dealing with ourselves)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Qt Core: mostly are a mix of desire and fear, with even some of the first masquerading as the second and viceversa
    Darren Islar: right QT
    arabella Ella: i would add 'guilt' there too
    Darren Islar: yes guilt is an important factor, especially with women
    --BELL--
    Darren Islar: anger seems to be more a guy thing
    arabella Ella: however i think with time and patience and determination and motivation we can move away from those attitudes
    Darren Islar: slowly, but yes
    Qt Core: hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya
    Darren Islar: (excuse me for the rude differentiation I make between men and women)
    Darren Islar: hey Mick
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Mickorod Renard: Hi
    arabella Ella: i think i tend to agree with that distinction in general Darren ... i personally find anger a difficult emotion
    Darren Islar: dfficult in what sense?
    Darren Islar: in connection with guilt I mean
    arabella Ella: it is not an emotion that comes easily to me
    Darren Islar: ah, yes, right and guilt does
    arabella Ella: i could be annoyed, frustrated, etc
    Qt Core: you have too few cars going around in Malta then, Ara :-)
    arabella Ella: guilt ... in the past yes ... today much much less
    Darren Islar: :-) QT
    arabella Ella: ah the men all get angry driving Qt
    arabella Ella: we have more cars than people
    Darren Islar: but being annoyed and frustration are actually pieces of anger, but not expressed
    arabella Ella: yes i know
    arabella Ella: but rather minor compared to (some males) other expressions
    Darren Islar: but when they are not expressed, you start to ask yourself questions about yourself and then guilt kicks in
    arabella Ella: not any longer though Darren
    Darren Islar: nice to hear :-)
    arabella Ella: i mean ... who can escape guilt as a child when raised in a catholic country?
    Darren Islar: I only mention it as the way the patern could work, withoug noticing yourself
    arabella Ella: yes of course
    Darren Islar: having built up an emotion wondering where it is coming from
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: but for example
    arabella Ella: a simple example
    arabella Ella: what is the point of getting angry if stuck in traffic?
    Darren Islar: non whatsover
    arabella Ella: exactly
    Darren Islar: so where does it come from? :-)
    arabella Ella: yet so many people get really mad
    arabella Ella: could anger come from impatience?
    Qt Core: i usually have a lot more lazyness in me that anger ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Darren Islar: yes, but why being imptaient
    Darren Islar: because something is coming up between you and reaching your goal ?
    arabella Ella: yes the gap between the real and the ideal
    arabella Ella: dissonance
    Darren Islar: what makes the goal so important (doing groseryshopping for instance)
    arabella Ella: perhaps the frenetic race against time which today's way of life seems to have ingrained in so many people ... plus also ...
    arabella Ella: a sense of self gratification i guess
    Qt Core: doing something you want after that against that being something you have to do
    Darren Islar: since I'm more layed back, live has become more easy :-)
    arabella Ella: cool
    Darren Islar: *life
    Darren Islar: becoming more aware I should say
    Qt Core: about grocery shopping... how many people spend more in term of time gasoline,stress searching for deals ?
    Darren Islar: but the demands of the outside world are big
    Darren Islar: yes, we want the best without spending money :-)
    arabella Ella: i never search for deals Qt ... hardly ever .... doing shopping in smallest shop which is then fastest ... and closest to home too
    arabella Ella: and i hate going to huge supermarkets ... some ppl tend to go to supermarkets just to go out
    Mickorod Renard: we need something like environmental communism
    --BELL--
    Darren Islar: environmental communism?
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,where everyone regardless of wealth,,gets rations of fuel and holiday flight miles etc
    arabella Ella: what if you dont need them ... could you sell them to me please?
    Mickorod Renard: maybe gets re employed at a more local to home place,,offering similar rates and roles
    Mickorod Renard: perhaps
    Qt Core: making CO2 a currency (like for states) ?
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Darren Islar: seel the to you :-)
    Darren Islar: *sell
    Mickorod Renard: the problem will never sort itself out when there are sufficient rich people to burn the resourses
    Darren Islar: you can have my flight miles
    arabella Ella: thanks Darren that is really kind :)
    Mickorod Renard: I dont advocate making everyone poor,,but the burden of change seems to be being piled onto those who restrict their consumption because of rising prices
    Darren Islar: I putted up a smiley, because some things are better to get as little of as we can, I think
    Darren Islar: CO2 and all
    arabella Ella: depends on how precious or not that thing is to you
    Darren Islar: true Mick
    Darren Islar: also true Ara
    Darren Islar: I should have winked ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Darren Islar: and you are living not exactly in the middle of the world
    Qt Core: but then there is a issue, what would you accept to loose to be greener now, not if/when good ecopolitics are in place
    arabella Ella: yes true
    arabella Ella: altho i personally think it is not individuals like us who are wasteful
    Qt Core: i have to sadly say that i will not lose one sleep hour in the morning to go work with public transportation
    Mickorod Renard: I am gradually being forced to loose now,,due to rising prices,,but I dont see that effecting the wealthy
    Darren Islar: hmmm, I happen to disagree Ara
    arabella Ella: Qt agree with you about sleeping
    arabella Ella: and Darren ... i personally see so much waste in organisations, especially publicly funded ones
    arabella Ella: but not only
    arabella Ella: one example comes to mind
    Darren Islar: true, but I think we use a lot more then we think
    arabella Ella: why do for example public toilets in international airports not have lights with sensors that only go on when someone enters? as things are they are all lights on 24/7
    Mickorod Renard: much waste in public ones due to the accountability expected from the public
    Darren Islar: we use a hudge amount of litres of water, only 2 % used in the house
    Darren Islar: the rest is for production of clothing, food, etc.
    arabella Ella: well Darren i was raised in times when water here was very scarse so i am accustomed to being careful with water
    Darren Islar: yes but that happens only to be a small part of what we really use
    Darren Islar: I think that what we do now and what is possible is so little
    Mickorod Renard: sea water could be used for toilet flush
    arabella Ella: oh yes someone told me recently it is amazing how much water is required to produce a kilo of beef for example ... but i dont eat beef ... only very rarely
    Darren Islar: I think we really need to change our attitude and reconsider the way we live
    Darren Islar: yes but it also goes for vegetables
    --BELL--
    Darren Islar: for clothing, for plastics for everything we use
    arabella Ella: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I think its time we scrapped plastic in food packaging
    Qt Core: my beloved rice...
    arabella Ella: well i suggest that each building block ... residential ...should have either solar panels or wind turbine on top to provide energy for the block
    Darren Islar: hmmm, good ideas :-)
    arabella Ella: also ... more teleworking from home
    arabella Ella: (avoid commuting)
    Darren Islar: and traficjams
    Qt Core: here there are laws requiring public building to install solar power if they do whatever to rooftop... you should see how resurceful they are in renewing everything but the roof
    Mickorod Renard: restrict population growth by only allowing half a child per family
    Darren Islar: ah.... yes
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Darren Islar: halfa child?
    Mickorod Renard: joking
    Darren Islar: I understood :-)
    Qt Core: that would solve babysitting problems, a child for two family...
    arabella Ella: invent a way for females to have their hair done 'instantly' without using a hair drier and other electrical stuff
    Mickorod Renard: thats a good idea Ara
    Qt Core: one word for that... razor ;-)
    arabella Ella: communal kitchens in blocks of flats where people take turns cooking for the whole block ... avoid lots of cooking meals for one or meals for two
    Mickorod Renard: restrick women to only 50 pairs of shoes per houshold
    arabella Ella: i like that Qt ... razor ... would be so convenient!
    arabella Ella: noooooooooo Mick ... make it 52 at least :(
    Qt Core: i've been prohinited to that to me, but i hope to lose my hair fast ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Qt Core: hi Bert
    Darren Islar: hi Bert
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Bert
    arabella Ella: not prohibited by work Qt surely?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Bert
    Darren Islar: we are counting arabella's shoes :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody - am only short here - with rl friends - rl in holiday in ireland (!) :-)
    Qt Core: no, family, thet say i will look to similar to Benito ;-)
    arabella Ella: yes .. unless you allow me to keep 52 pairs i would have to very painfully give a few pairs away :(
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,that sounds fun Bert
    arabella Ella: he he .... Qt .... no way!!!!
    arabella Ella: oh you are in Ireland now Bert ... cool!
    Qt Core: nice Bert!
    arabella Ella: say hi to your friends if they are with you now
    Darren Islar: sounds great Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: ty :-))
    Darren Islar: how's the weather in Ireland
    Bertram Jacobus: ha ! i´m so lucky - only sun, the whole week ! :-))
    Mickorod Renard: wow,,amazing
    Darren Islar: ah great, here too
    Bertram Jacobus: very unusual, very lucky ...
    Bertram Jacobus: but leave again - sry - now ...
    arabella Ella: bye Bert enjoy Ireland!!!!
    Darren Islar: bye Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: cu soon again - have a nice time please
    Qt Core: bye, have fun!
    arabella Ella: i must go too
    arabella Ella: nite all and thanks for the chat!
    Darren Islar: nite everyone
    Mickorod Renard: i will nip off thanks for chat
    Qt Core: 'night ara
    Darren Islar: well, I need to finish a few things
    Darren Islar: so I better get going too
    Darren Islar: see you QT
    Qt Core: and i need to start one... sleeping ;-)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Qt Core: bye Darren
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