2010.04.15 13:00 - full circle plus 1

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    We were quite a few people during this session and could create a complete circle around the fountain :)


    Lia Rikugun: hello eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lia :))
    Lia Rikugun: how are you?
    Eliza Madrigal: Quite well, thanks :) You?
    Lia Rikugun: yes very good today :)
    Lia Rikugun: but i didnt do any sallies :) in the last week or so i think
    Lia Rikugun: :(
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm... maybe this week
    Lia Rikugun: hello sophiasharon
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi everybody :)
    Eliza Madrigal: When you sally, there seems a bit to work with for a while, so maybe it is like I heard Fox says about dreams, that if one has a strong one maybe won't remember some for a few days...
    Lia Rikugun: oh interesting
    Lia Rikugun: for me i guess i have to be in the correct mood
    Eliza Madrigal: that makes sense :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (watches dots converge on the pavilion haha)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello everybody :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Agatha :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Darren, Agatha :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Darren
    Lia Rikugun: hello agatha
    Lia Rikugun: and hello darren
    Darren Islar: hi everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: now we connect the dots....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Agatha you look quite smashing :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: Can you guess what it is yet? :0
    Agatha Macbeth: TY Liz :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: guess what Agatha? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ye-e-sssssss?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Yakuzza
    Eliza Madrigal: the dots are forming as....
    Lia Rikugun: hello yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh! hmm a puzzle
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Guess what....what?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs sorry I must be confused. again
    Eliza Madrigal giggles....
    Agatha Macbeth: You and me both hun :))
    Darren Islar: I think Agatha is :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: you saw dots converge, Sharon. Then I tried to connect them.... then Agatha puzzled...
    Darren Islar: hi Yaku again
    Agatha Macbeth: I always am!
    Agatha Macbeth: Have your eyes changed colour Sharon?
    Darren Islar: that's a good starting point :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in rl or sl? giggles
    Darren Islar: hi Zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi zen and zon
    Agatha Macbeth: In SL silly! ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Hi Zon, over there :))
    Lia Rikugun: hello zen
    Darren Islar: and Zon, but he seemed to be very laggy
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, why is he over there?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I change things all the time, my shape whatever, although this alt gets more or less ignored
    Zen Arado: I'm an olld lag too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Alt?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon
    Lia Rikugun: hello zon
    Darren Islar: hi Zon
    Zen Arado: Hi Zon :)
    Zon Quar: heya all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Hi Zon
    Agatha Macbeth: Zon arrives! (early in the morning?)
    Zon Quar: early in the night ..lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Same difference :)
    Eliza Madrigal: wow... look at all of us...
    Agatha Macbeth: I am!
    Zen Arado: and....?
    Zon Quar: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: And....?
    Agatha Macbeth: +

    The cirlce is not full yet, 4 seats are open at one side and for Eliza the dots above your heads look like a smiley face :)

    Eliza Madrigal: we are a smiley face... if one connects the dots
    Eliza Madrigal: and stands at a particular angle... haha
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Where are the eyes?
    Zon Quar: depends what way u look at it
    Lia Rikugun: i can see it too
    Agatha Macbeth: PaB Rorschach test
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh noos
    SophiaSharon Larnia: teehee
    Darren Islar: besides oni gokko, we now have another game to play :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: We do?
    Zen Arado: you even spelled it right Aga !
    Zen Arado: spelt?
    Agatha Macbeth: What?
    Darren Islar: the positions we take in, in the circle
    Zen Arado: Rorschach
    Darren Islar: some are looking for smilies :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, i thought you meant....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: life is a big rorschach test
    Eliza Madrigal: Isn't that the guy on welcome back kotter?
    Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
    Darren Islar: others for symmetry
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hahaha didnt know i had it on
    SophiaSharon Larnia: stop
    Zon Quar: oh no
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth grins

    serious to appear wise ;)

    Zon Quar: shoudnt we be serious
    Agatha Macbeth: No
    Zen Arado: somebody turned my oni gokko off :(
    Zon Quar: to appaear wise
    Eliza Madrigal: who is serious?
    SophiaSharon Larnia adjusts her glasses and tries to look serious
    Agatha Macbeth: The world is full of serious people
    Zon Quar: serious ppl r respectable
    Agatha Macbeth: What was the topic again Liz?
    arabella Ella: Hiya
    Lia Rikugun: hello arabella
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Ara, Hi Mick
    Lia Rikugun: hello mick
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara :)
    Darren Islar: hi Ara and Mick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: here come the eyes
    Zon Quar: ara hi
    Agatha Macbeth: Mick too!
    Zen Arado: Hi Ara
    Zon Quar: mick hi
    Eliza Madrigal: Hellloooo Mick and Ara eyes
    arabella Ella: eyes?
    Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye
    arabella Ella: what is that about?
    Eliza Madrigal: you need to sit on the cushions in the middle of the spaces...
    Eliza Madrigal: to make a smiley face
    Agatha Macbeth: Being seeing?
    Eliza Madrigal: we're the smile
    Zen Arado: Hi Mick:)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were commenting on how the dots converged on the pavilion and how our seating looked like a smile, but no eyes
    Darren Islar: oooohhhhh
    arabella Ella: still rezzing
    Agatha Macbeth: Eyeless in Bieup....
    arabella Ella: ;)
    Lia Rikugun: one eye
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: seeing being needs no eyes
    Eliza Madrigal: sigh
    Eliza Madrigal: True Sharon!
    Agatha Macbeth: You eyes can deceive you young Jedi, don't use them!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or 'I's?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi everyone,,sorry,,slow rezin
    Eliza Madrigal: !! Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zon
    Lia Rikugun: hello sitar
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zon, and Hi Sitar
    Sitar Ishelwood: hi!
    Darren Islar: hi Sitar
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sitar :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Sitar
    Lia Rikugun: sitar have you been here before?
    Agatha Macbeth: Give us a tune :)
    Eliza Madrigal: This is Sitar everyone... not sure how many of you have met...
    Zen Arado: a Raga?
    Mickorod Renard: I recall meeting him before
    arabella Ella: Hiya Sitar!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to see you here
    Lia Rikugun: nice hair!
    Sitar Ishelwood: howdy ho

    we start talking a little bit about music

    Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't Ravi Shankar 90 recently?
    Sitar Ishelwood: are we talking about music?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
    Zen Arado: remember hin in the 60's
    Zen Arado: so he could be
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he remember you too Zen
    Zen Arado: Beatles made him famous I think
    Sitar Ishelwood: zakhir hussian, who used to play tabla with ravi, is coming to town next month
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brbr i hear a weird noise in house eek
    Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Ag
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Eliza Madrigal: Darren is tapping....
    Mickorod Renard: I am hoping to see Ravi Shanka's daughter play soon
    Agatha Macbeth: I hear weird noise here....
    Sitar Ishelwood: anoushka?
    Agatha Macbeth: Baboushka?
    Mickorod Renard: bless you
    Sitar Ishelwood: anoushka shankar
    Agatha Macbeth: Thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oooh is that it, i have speakers set up in my house to listen to music and set up comp speakers to it, your freakin me out LOL
    Sitar Ishelwood: freak out? frank zappa?
    Agatha Macbeth: Too techie SSL :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yay, good ol' Frank
    Agatha Macbeth: God bless 'im
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I didnt do it, I have a nice friend ^.^
    Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you
    Zen Arado: George Harrison ..sigh
    Agatha Macbeth: Where?
    Zen Arado: just remembering him
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Sitar Ishelwood: dont blame me, i still vote for frank zappa
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: John Lennon's been dead 30 years this year
    Eliza Madrigal: hums...still my guitar...
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Bleu:)
    Mickorod Renard: hi blu
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Bleu
    Zen Arado: really !
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu
    Sitar Ishelwood: blue!
    Sitar Ishelwood: party girl
    Lia Rikugun: hi bleu
    Zen Arado: Here comes the sun
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, nearly a full circle :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Nearly
    Sitar Ishelwood: hare krishna
    Sitar Ishelwood: hare krishna
    Agatha Macbeth: Brings back memories
    Sitar Ishelwood: krishna krishna
    Sitar Ishelwood: hare hare
    Eliza Madrigal hands Ag a flower
    Mickorod Renard: hare krishna
    Agatha Macbeth: Why thank you Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal grins and bows
    Agatha Macbeth puts it in her hair
    Agatha Macbeth: And goes to san frasisco
    Agatha Macbeth: Or San Fransisco even
    Eliza Madrigal: oh... if you're going to san francisco... be sure to wear a flower in your hair...
    Sitar Ishelwood: from california to the new york isles

    flight cancellations in europe and the volcanic eruption and searching for patterns

    Eliza Madrigal hopes wol and gaya are able to fly without complications!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome arch
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Arch
    Agatha Macbeth: California dreaming?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed Eliza!
    Zen Arado: don't you worry darling I'll be there ... I wish
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just seeing ore of that on tv
    Bleu Oleander: have they cancelled flights?
    Eliza Madrigal: as I understand it Bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, because of the vulcano erruption on iceland
    Mickorod Renard: hi Arch
    arabella Ella: yes lots of flights cancelled today
    Lia Rikugun: hello arch
    arabella Ella: mainly in UK
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even in germany they closed a few airports
    Eliza Madrigal: (we've come full circle now)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,all flights here cancelled
    Agatha Macbeth: Iceland is *very* volcanic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: all?!?! wow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hamburgt and berlin are closed
    arabella Ella: due to ask cloud from volcano eruption in Iceland ... according to media
    Bleu Oleander: is it haz to breath the air?
    Mickorod Renard: supposedly the volcano in iceland is linked to another on the other side of the world
    Zen Arado: Hi Arch
    Agatha Macbeth: No more than usual Bleu :)
    Bleu Oleander: true
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting Mick, hadn't heard that
    Agatha Macbeth: Get some fresh exhaust fumes in yer lungs....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me either Mick
    Archmage Atlantis: You cannot see, the moment of our fate as a planet is upon is
    Sitar Ishelwood: the vog, they call it in hawaii
    Sitar Ishelwood: volcanic fog
    Agatha Macbeth: Vog?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I wondered if it was anything to do with the earthquake in the solomon islands the other day
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Eliza Madrigal is obsessive about patterns... gotta drop that ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes... Pila deals with that a lot
    Agatha Macbeth: Why Liz?
    Agatha Macbeth: Patterns are cute
    Zen Arado: love Mandelbrot
    Eliza Madrigal: why drop it Agatha? Hm... just sometimes a distraction... guess there are levels/layers
    Agatha Macbeth: Love his set
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: cute set
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat a good fractal
    Archmage Atlantis: Patterns are accur ate
    Mickorod Renard: even chaotic
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of Eden's poem about 'ractal wings'... so pretty
    Sitar Ishelwood: so are generalizations
    Eliza Madrigal: *fractal
    Zen Arado: fascinating things
    Agatha Macbeth: That's Eden for you
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

    with Fael we are a full circle plus 1! Fael in the middle of the fountain! :)


    Agatha Macbeth: And here comes Fael!
    Eliza Madrigal: !
    Zen Arado: Hi Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: Now we are full circle + one
    Eliza Madrigal: Delightful :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael
    Sitar Ishelwood: can we put him in the middle?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Bleu Oleander: hi Fael
    Lia Rikugun: hi fael
    Agatha Macbeth waves to cutie Fael
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fael
    Archmage Atlantis: Sitonmy lap lve
    arabella Ella: Hiya Fael
    Agatha Macbeth: Jump in the fountain
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I didn't mean YOU Fael!
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Bleu Oleander: where's a camera when you need one
    arabella Ella: who then Aga?
    Agatha Macbeth sighs
    Fael Illyar: Hi Everyone :)
    Zen Arado: will it interfre with recording?
    Agatha Macbeth: (Wet knickers...)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah zen
    Agatha Macbeth: PaB becomes Trafalgar Square
    Mickorod Renard: hang on,,did someone mention wet knickers?
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Agatha Macbeth looks innocent
    Sitar Ishelwood: you must feel so fresh and clean
    Agatha Macbeth: And wet
    Zen Arado: remind you of a story Mick?
    Sitar Ishelwood: so we can all go in a circle, and tell fael what we like about her
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs!!
    Eliza Madrigal: thinks that's a great idea!
    Agatha Macbeth: What, a wet bottom?
    Mickorod Renard: my memory is doing all sorts now
    Sitar Ishelwood: we call it 'sweet buttering pills'
    Agatha Macbeth: ???
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ill start i like how Fael is always nice enough to listen to my whines and give me a hug
    Zen Arado: pab bidet?
    Agatha Macbeth: BWAHAHAH Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: LMAO
    Eliza Madrigal likes that when Fael gets an idea she often begins to work on it right there, immediately... and that she exudes hearts :)
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Heart is where the home is
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    arabella Ella: Fael has some lovely wings and uses 'meep' is such an adorable way :)
    arabella Ella: (meeps i mean)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (is this the opposite of aroast LOL)
    Zen Arado: she wears the most gorgeous dresses
    Agatha Macbeth: Where are the wings though?
    Mickorod Renard: a roast?
    Mickorod Renard: count me in
    Darren Islar liked it when she showed how to get my feet in the pool
    Eliza Madrigal: don't say roast to mick
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes a roast is when you say really bad things about someone, the the person shows up to hear it, weird
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Sitar Ishelwood: well, its usually comedic
    Mickorod Renard: ahh,,it has other meanings here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i meant to say that Sitar thanks!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha!
    Archmage Atlantis: Plato
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Plato had wings?
    Archmage Atlantis: the dog in disney
    Agatha Macbeth: A wing ding
    Eliza Madrigal: Fael's might have lighted the cave
    Zen Arado: in his realm of forms maybe
    Mickorod Renard: flying plato,,diferent from flying saucero
    Sitar Ishelwood: so i dont know fael very well, but i think the objects in her store are beautiful, and i admire that she wears a female avatar and admits to being male in rl, i think that is brave and honest and challanging to backwards culutral norms
    Eliza Madrigal: plato isn't a planet anymore, Arch
    Darren Islar: oh and I'm impressed by the way se is just sitting there in the middle
    Agatha Macbeth: That's Pluto Liz
    Fael Illyar smiles happily.
    Zen Arado: wonders what Plato would have made of SL
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    arabella Ella: lovely aura Fael :)
    Zen Arado: wonders about cultural norms
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Aliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sitar Ishelwood: did everyone go?
    Agatha Macbeth: Where to?
    Sitar Ishelwood: to butter up fael?
    Zen Arado: sometimes we just sit
    Sitar Ishelwood: ok, ill sit
    Mickorod Renard: butter up Fael,,mmm interesting
    Eliza Madrigal: breathe and smile....
    Agatha Macbeth: With jam
    Mickorod Renard: and cream?
    Archmage Atlantis: Get down off those wings girl, and sit with me
    Zen Arado: we need a catwalk
    Fael Illyar grins widely.
    Agatha Macbeth: We need a cat
    Mickorod Renard: yeh,,any cats here?
    Agatha Macbeth: From Cheshire
    Zen Arado: to display latest styles of pab
    Archmage Atlantis: Of couraw
    Agatha Macbeth: Cheshire Neko
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have to go for now, bye all :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sharon :))
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
    Mickorod Renard: bye SSL
    arabella Ella: bye SSL
    Zen Arado: bye Sharon :)
    Lia Rikugun: bye sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :)
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya SSL :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Sharon

    the retreat group

    Zen Arado: how many are going to the retreat?
    Agatha Macbeth: What retreat?
    Eliza Madrigal: Of here, just me Zen
    Zen Arado: all together?
    Agatha Macbeth sounds the bugle
    Eliza Madrigal: :) we're a small group this time, but I'm really happy
    Lia Rikugun: (I am sorry, i think i am leaving too, very tired.. you all take care!)
    Zen Arado: more intimate maybe
    Fael Illyar: Good night Lia :)
    arabella Ella: nite Lia
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lia
    Zen Arado: bye Lia
    Lia Rikugun: good night!
    Bleu Oleander: bye Lia
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Lia :)
    Mickorod Renard: nite Lia
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm looking forward to seeing pema, stim, and eos again... and meeting gaya and wol
    Zen Arado: retreat I was going to had about 50
    Mickorod Renard: I didnt see Lia,,she was still fog

    I left at this point and wont try to comment the following of the chat

    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, and way more structured I'm sure, zen
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: very
    Sitar Ishelwood: ok, who wants a tofu sammich?
    Mickorod Renard: I would love to meet everyone going too
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you attend the very disciplined zen retreats with all the particular rituals?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe Tofu does
    Mickorod Renard: :(
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: what is the name for the way you deal with food/bowls at the table?
    Zen Arado: doesn't seem all that disciplined to me though
    Agatha Macbeth: Is it Cafh tonight?
    Zen Arado: oriyoki
    arabella Ella: what does that involve Zen?
    Zen Arado: we don't do that here
    Eliza Madrigal: well I was surprised that in zen there are as many mantras as in tibetan buddhism, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Think I'll pop to Kira and take a look
    Zen Arado: it is more simplified here than in San Francisco zen center
    Eliza Madrigal: it must be going on, Ag... Pila is on, prob there :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I like tofu slcd aaaabd fried
    Eliza Madrigal apologizes to the bell again and promises to be good after retreat
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: cu everyone
    Fael Illyar: Have fun Bleu :)
    Zen Arado: bye Bleu :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu, nice to see you
    Mickorod Renard: bye blu
    arabella Ella: bye Bleu
    Mickorod Renard: say hello to victor 4 mwe
    Zen Arado: Tibetan chanting is more elaborate though
    Zen Arado: and melodic
    Eliza Madrigal: Is it? I wasn't sure....
    Zen Arado: well...in my experience
    Darren Islar: I'm not sure if Tibetans do chanting
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: sure they do, Darren... or would you call it something else?
    Zen Arado: I went to a Tibetan temple for a weekend couple of years ago
    arabella Ella: i think tibetans do recitations
    Eliza Madrigal absolutely loves to be submerged in a room of what I'd call chanting
    Zen Arado: well...whatever they call it ...it is nice
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Darren Islar: I think chanting is a different technique then singing, which seems to be a more appropiate word for Tibetans
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting... must be so many ways
    Zen Arado: I watched them do a Mahakala ...
    Darren Islar: but whatever, I guessed I just woke up by seeing those words :)
    Zen Arado: it took over an hour and used cybbals, horns etc
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Darren Islar: oh yes,
    Archmage Atlantis: Fael has heard the dhrma, chated in Sanskit
    Zen Arado: we do a Pali chant
    Zen Arado: Buddham saranam gacchami...
    Archmage Atlantis: By a Gernan cantor
    Zen Arado: the 3 refuges they call it
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so that would be the base
    Zen Arado: it is a beautiful chant I think
    Eliza Madrigal: there are actually really nice u-tube videos with chants and mantras...
    Darren Islar: refuge to Buddha, dharma and sangha/
    Eliza Madrigal: was really impressed to browse around
    Darren Islar: ?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Zen Arado: could do it for you sometime
    Zen Arado: it's easy to do
    arabella Ella: you mean you could chat and we could listen some day Zen?
    arabella Ella: would be lovely
    Zen Arado: sure
    Eliza Madrigal: yes it would be!
    Zen Arado: prefer if others joined in though
    Zen Arado: never done it on my own
    arabella Ella: how can we join in .... if we dont know the chant?
    Zen Arado: I cna write the words
    Darren Islar: what are they en?
    Darren Islar: Zen
    arabella Ella: would be cool
    Eliza Madrigal: uh oh, lost mick...
    arabella Ella: maybe you could organise it as a theme session?
    Zen Arado: ust mean I take refuge in the Buddha, I take refuge in the Dhamma, in the Sangha
    Darren Islar: I was just curious to the
    Zen Arado: then you say Dutiyampi Buddham gacchami
    Darren Islar: actual words u use
    Zen Arado: means twice I talke refuge...
    Zen Arado: then Tatiyampi ...three times...
    arabella Ella: wb Mick
    Mickorod Renard: hi..i didnt know i had crashe d
    Archmage Atlantis: It is no fair for a
    Fael Illyar: wb Mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: ty
    Darren Islar: I don;t know that kind of refuge, it is new to me
    Darren Islar: but there are a lot of different schools in Tibet
    Archmage Atlantis: computer to dec9d,,,,,,,I chose;;;;ajavatarI I canbe,
    Darren Islar: or in Tibetan buddhism
    Zen Arado: we do this in Zen Darren
    Darren Islar: okay
    Zen Arado: at Zen retreats
    Darren Islar: that explains it
    Archmage Atlantis: It is an aspect
    Darren Islar: is chanting not a part of Zen actually?
    Zen Arado: usually last thing at night
    Zen Arado: oh yes
    Zen Arado: we don't do that many though
    Darren Islar: no but it is not Tibetan
    Zen Arado: we chant the Metta Sutra
    Eliza Madrigal: Zen, have you seen "How to Cook your Life" ?
    Darren Islar: they have more a tradition of reciting
    Zen Arado: yes I have read it
    Zen Arado: Uchiyama
    Darren Islar: and sometimes singing
    Darren Islar: but that is a diferent quaility
    Darren Islar: but I would like to meet with the Zen tradition
    Zen Arado: yes Zen is more guttural like Japanese
    Darren Islar: so it would be neat to do a session about it
    Darren Islar: and I will chant with you Zen :-)
    Zen Arado: some don't lime chanting
    Zen Arado: thanks Darren :)
    Archmage Atlantis: As will I
    arabella Ella: would be nice to organise it as a theme session as then it would attract those interested who are available
    Zen Arado: gosh - getting nervous now
    Darren Islar: yes and who has a buddhist interest
    Darren Islar: hahah
    Zen Arado: I am not an expert on it
    Darren Islar: I think non of us are
    Eliza Madrigal: If there is interest I don't see why not... maybe can be a group effort, a few traditions together
    arabella Ella: but maybe you can ask someone else to join you ... maybe Bertram?
    Darren Islar: there is so much to learn about all the aspects of buddhism
    Eliza Madrigal: yes bert would be great
    Zen Arado: I can do 3 chants only I think
    Zen Arado: maybe 4
    Darren Islar: taking refuge, you can write books about it
    Archmage Atlantis: I am a learner from Sidharta
    Darren Islar: what is that Arch?
    Eliza Madrigal: and chanting/mantras are not only buddhist... certainly
    Zen Arado: yes we can demonstrate the aspects we know about
    arabella Ella: yes
    Darren Islar: no, buddhisme is in a way based on hinduism
    Archmage Atlantis: and from Raddhi Hillel
    Darren Islar: I mean it is imbedded in that cultural background
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Archmage Atlantis: And from Lao TSe
    Eliza Madrigal: Also, even in Catholicism, if you consider "hail mary"s
    Darren Islar: yes
    Zen Arado: Zen is greatly influenced by Taoism
    Darren Islar: true Eliza
    arabella Ella: there is a lot in common amongst the major religions
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Darren Islar: there is
    Zen Arado: I told a Catholic woman that once but she wasn't impresased :)
    arabella Ella: unfortunately tho there is generally more emphasis on divisions and iffereences rather than commonalities
    Eliza Madrigal: it shows how 'personal' practice can be I think....
    Darren Islar: :-) Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: well, some dont like to see it...
    Zen Arado: exactly
    Eliza Madrigal: and I suppose all religions share that, too
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: it is often 'conditioning' i guess and ignorance too
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Darren Islar: yes, and cultural
    Zen Arado: the Lords Prayer is a kind of chant I think
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure, can be
    Zen Arado: and the Anglican creed
    Darren Islar: yes and the hail mary's where Eliza was talking about
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: and think of music in our lives... there is something in us that wants to 'sing out'..... repetitively
    arabella Ella: or the litany after a rosary
    Darren Islar: you even use a same kind of device as in Buddhism, only half as short
    Eliza Madrigal: I hoped Sitar might jump in... having just given a talk in SL about mantras and such actually :)
    Zen Arado: yes - something deep in voices in unison
    Darren Islar: the string with the beats
    Darren Islar: what is that called in Catholisism?
    Eliza Madrigal: rosary
    Eliza Madrigal: like a mala
    Darren Islar: ah, yes, rosary
    Zen Arado: same thing really
    Darren Islar: yes
    Darren Islar: in Tibetan it is called a mala, but same thing
    Darren Islar: and the islam is using it too
    arabella Ella: yes prayer beads
    Fael Illyar: Well, it's time for me to start preparing for bed. Good night Everyone :)
    arabella Ella: and islam seems to use them in similar way to greek orthodox
    Eliza Madrigal: and another parallel is that Catholics talk about 'offering up suffering for the souls in purgatory" at times... which has some parallels in other traditions
    Darren Islar: ah, with a 'd' beads :-)
    Mickorod Renard: nite Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Fael :)
    Zen Arado: bye Fael
    arabella Ella: nite Fael :)
    Darren Islar: is there, I didn't know
    Darren Islar: I'm raised as a protestant
    Zen Arado: me neither
    Archmage Atlantis: My ,,,,,,,, newsa eiaiwwo
    Darren Islar: you go straight to hell there
    Zen Arado: Mormons practice Baptism for the dead I know
    Eliza Madrigal: so am I, but married into a deeply Catholic family...
    Darren Islar: but there is certainly something like that in Buddhism
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Zen Arado: I'm a protestant too
    Eliza Madrigal: more parallels that we realize
    Darren Islar: but fighting wars over it
    Darren Islar: actualy misussing the meaning of religion
    Eliza Madrigal: I remember when I would be told that, "offer it up" when annoyed, I would feel more annoyed... but somehow within a different context it seemed a kinder and more open practice
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Zen Arado: to God presumably
    Eliza Madrigal: guess that's another tendency too... of religion to deal with pain with 'advice' or something out of a book....
    Eliza Madrigal: its powerful when personal... someone just being there, listening...
    Eliza Madrigal: and when something fits ... offering that...
    Eliza Madrigal: donno... just musing :)
    Zen Arado: yes...listening.....
    Darren Islar: nice musing :-)
    Mickorod Renard: I think religion can help un clutter some unanswerable questions too,,
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting idea Mick.. like have a focus?
    Mickorod Renard: one can lock the unexplained away in the cupboard marked,,Gods
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, neat idea
    Zen Arado: and 'answers'
    Eliza Madrigal: 'beliefs'
    Zen Arado: yes
    arabella Ella: 'mysteries'
    Mickorod Renard: answers are for man
    Darren Islar: to me that won't do, I'm afraid
    arabella Ella: 'dogma'
    Eliza Madrigal nods... hmmm
    Zen Arado: easy believism
    Eliza Madrigal: yet when one is coming from that kind of direct place, then all of those things might be loving and useful
    Darren Islar: but letting go of the meaning of the unkown and working on what I do know is
    Darren Islar: maybe a bit of the same thin
    Zen Arado: yes darren
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes
    Zen Arado: getting tired
    arabella Ella: altho we also need to keep in mind that things have changed so much in these past years
    Zen Arado: better go
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Night Zen
    arabella Ella: nite Zen
    arabella Ella: look forward to your chanting!
    Darren Islar: night Zen and thanks :-)
    Zen Arado: night all
    Zen Arado: have a nice retreat Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: true Ara, being able to share across wide boundaries certainly has changed
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Zen!
    Darren Islar: I hope the eropeans can take a plain
    Mickorod Renard: I think its good to question,,and search for answers,,but I know my enquiring mind would go crazy if I had nowhere to stash the dificult connundrums
    Mickorod Renard: nite Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that's where 'offer it up' might be most helpful Mick....
    Mickorod Renard: scuse me..phone
    arabella Ella: well Wol is not on line tonight so it is likely she is travelling
    Eliza Madrigal: Wol is travelling Sunday, or hopes to be
    Darren Islar: the airports are shut down
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :::sending clear vibes::::
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: oh I hope Wol does not encounter problems as there were enough when she came to Malta!
    Darren Islar: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, true... was late
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I really hope no delays on Sunday
    Darren Islar: I don't know how fast that clowd is moving
    arabella Ella: that was due to closed airports in Germany ... they were snowed in in January
    Darren Islar: well lets see
    arabella Ella: yes
    Darren Islar: and now there is a cloud
    arabella Ella: so Eliza i guess you will be about six people?
    Eliza Madrigal: the volcano is not still errupting is it?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes Ara :)
    arabella Ella: nice
    Eliza Madrigal: it should be... wonderful rate Pema got for the hotel too, which seems very nice
    Darren Islar: I don't know actually
    Darren Islar: will look at the news tonight
    arabella Ella: coming to think of it though
    arabella Ella: it is really weird
    Mickorod Renard: I dont know how they can judge whether the volcano has stopped,,not this close to its activitty
    Darren Islar: but i guess there are other ways to get to SF for Wol
    arabella Ella: how is it possible for a volcano in iceland to emit clouds so huge and dense that they cause airports all over UK to close?
    arabella Ella: very fishy i think
    Darren Islar: I hope
    Mickorod Renard: its a long swim
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
    Darren Islar: there was this volcano on the other side of the world
    Darren Islar: erupted
    Darren Islar: and made the global warming getting less
    Mickorod Renard: I guess before global warming wol cud have made it by foot via the atric circle
    Darren Islar: by not letting the sun in
    Mickorod Renard: artic
    Darren Islar: for years over the whole world
    arabella Ella: he he
    Darren Islar: :-) Mick
    Darren Islar: but big volcanos can have a big effect on the world
    Mickorod Renard: well,,there is much debate on the effects of atmospheric polution
    Mickorod Renard: on one hand it cuts the sun out,,but on the other,,like as with venus,,it keeps the heat in
    Darren Islar: hmm, yes
    Eliza Madrigal should sign off ...
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been really being indulgent since I won't be here next week... hah
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: careful Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh the ways we justify :))
    arabella Ella: you got to look out for withdrawal symptoms
    arabella Ella: and they involve
    arabella Ella: itchy fingers
    Darren Islar: see you tomorrow I hope :-)
    arabella Ella: itching to get to a keyboard
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll be pacing... back and forth...
    Eliza Madrigal: hhahah
    arabella Ella: dreams about SL
    arabella Ella: part of withdrawal
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, I do that anyway...
    arabella Ella: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but maybe they'll be different....
    arabella Ella: and meeting avis rather than ppl at the retreat :)
    Eliza Madrigal: typing... "Cat Log Reminders" in my sleep
    Darren Islar: oh, but you will be there with friends, lots to do
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, indeed :)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: *chat log too
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Darren Islar: so I think you will be okay :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: cat logs seem more fun
    arabella Ella: or imagining saying 'smiley' or 'winks' or 'nods' or 'giggles'
    Eliza Madrigal: Definitely... but Im sure we'll do that there too....
    Eliza Madrigal: "Me nods"
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Darren, looking forward to tomorrow, won't miss it! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay... here I go
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye guys :)
    Mickorod Renard: have u an i phone eliza?
    Darren Islar: hahah
    Mickorod Renard: bye and nite Eliza
    Darren Islar: oh Mick, just stop :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, no mick... am very old fashioned :)
    Eliza Madrigal: will have to use telepathy....
    Eliza Madrigal: listen for me
    Darren Islar: bye Eliza, sleep well
    Mickorod Renard: ok..u cud have used sparkle,,thats all
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye :) thanks
    Mickorod Renard: bye Eliza
    arabella Ella: bye Eliza
    arabella Ella: Mick about sparkle
    arabella Ella: it is not free on i phone
    Darren Islar: need to go too,
    Mickorod Renard: no,,but its not much
    Darren Islar: cu
    Mickorod Renard: bye dARREN
    arabella Ella: nite Darren take care!
    Mickorod Renard: c u soon
    arabella Ella: bye Mick gotta go too!
    Mickorod Renard: and me,,bye
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