2010.04.17 01:00 - The ping heard 'round the world

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, filling in for Scathach.


    Wol Euler: good morning calvino

    Wol Euler: are you still in Thailand?

    Calvino Rabeni: Ahh,,, hello Wol, I am there now

    Wol Euler smiles

    Wol Euler: hence your "slow link" title, I guess

    Calvino Rabeni: :) is is thus

    Wol Euler: how is Thailand?

    Calvino Rabeni: WIth te slowlink ad slow computr Im pleased it works atall

    Wol Euler nods

    Wol Euler: are you hanging out at the beach?

    Calvino Rabeni: Travel hint - don't bother to pack socks for your trip to the tropics

    Calvino Rabeni: No, I have not been to the beach

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Calvino Rabeni: :) It is a place with lots of hot sun and a gritty substance known as "sand"

    Wol Euler: yeeeeeeeesss.

    Wol Euler: that does fit the generally acknowledged definition

    Calvino Rabeni: I think it would be fun to go out there a night, but this is an urban area - various dicey things go on there at that time

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Calvino Rabeni: In a couple days I will take a boat tripp to remote iislands, and get the "Beach" experience as known to travel postcards :)


    Wol Euler: sounds good

    Calvino Rabeni: It occurred to me, I can have the "urban retreat" experience here as easily as it is going to be had in SF next week

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: sure, retreating is an inner experience not a place

    Calvino Rabeni: Hint - make sure to take a nap in the afternoon, then the bedlam at night will be easier to tolerate or even blend in with

    Wol Euler: :))))

    Wol Euler: er, was that about SF or about Thailand?

    Wol Euler: good morning yaku

    Calvino Rabeni: EIther :) As in, appreciating the appearance of Being in "nightlife"

    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning

    Calvino Rabeni: In tropical places the night is when everyone hits the street - the early-to-bed types will zig when life there zags

    Yakuzza Lethecus: any updates on the appearance of dust in the atmosphere ?

    Calvino Rabeni: Good morning Yakusan

    Wol Euler: there's still plenty of it.

    Wol Euler: buongiorno qt

    Qt Core: Hi all

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey qt

    Wol Euler: hello crusty

    Yakuzza Lethecus: crutsy

    Qt Core: Hi Crusty

    Crusty Goldshark: hi guys - sorry I am early for the next session - ok late for this one oops

    Crusty Goldshark: are we doing emergency fountain staring again?

    Calvino Rabeni: Heh

    Calvino Rabeni: Doing "bits coming from thailand" routine

    Calvino Rabeni: By the way, anyone know where to get buddhist robes in SL?

    Crusty Goldshark: ah ok

    Calvino Rabeni: I feel overdressed

    Wol Euler: there is a store near the Zen Retreat place,some are even free

    Wol Euler: but I don't have a LM

    Crusty Goldshark: good plan I would wear them

    Calvino Rabeni: TY Wol

    Crusty Goldshark: zen retreat reuil? OK goona find some clothes

    Wol Euler: that's the one.

    Calvino Rabeni: I keep getting asked on the street "are you from Sweden"? Apparently I have that look to people, a fact previously unbeknownst to me

    Wol Euler: heheheh

    Wol Euler: your ancestry, perhaps?

    Calvino Rabeni: No, no such known ancestry.

    Wol Euler: well, it

    Wol Euler: it's a wise child that knows what its great-grandmother got up to :)

    Calvino Rabeni: Relationship terms vary over the world - perhaps they could be defined mathematically?

    Calvino Rabeni: Then your brother would be your 0th cousin


    Calvino Rabeni: ping -t

    Wol Euler rubs her elbow.

    Calvino Rabeni: :) oops, wrong window!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

    Wol Euler: ah, so your laptop is either Linux or Mac OSX :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ping wird ausgeführt für mit 32 Bytes Daten: Antwort von Bytes=32 Zeit=1219ms TTL=51 Antwort von Bytes=32 Zeit=1133ms TTL=51 Antwort von Bytes=32 Zeit=1158ms TTL=51 Antwort von Bytes=32 Zeit=1143ms TTL=51

    Qt Core: you can't even imagine how hard is not to do a nslookup for that ;-)

    Wol Euler laughs. What a bunch of geeks we are.

    Calvino Rabeni: No, it's a gateway light netbook running Windows 7

    Calvino Rabeni: A suitable piece of traveling gear

    Wol Euler: oh, w7 has a "ping" command? Well well, live and learn.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: you never lost the console in windows

    Calvino Rabeni: Nice and light. Actually "sort of" does SL

    Yakuzza Lethecus: but nobody knows how to script and use the console anymore

    Qt Core: i think all windows have it

    Qt Core: (ping i mean)

    Wol Euler: maybe I mis-remember. I thought XP had that functionality but not a *command* by that name, I remember it being in the network services app

    Calvino Rabeni: RIght Wol, maybe a "theme session" on IP would be in order?

    Wol Euler: :)

    Qt Core: every time i have to type more than a couple command on windows console i swear i will install cgywin ;-)

    Calvino Rabeni: Well it *is* part of Being

    Wol Euler: definitely.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least one of the appearancs

    Wol Euler: even if a mostly-hidden-from-view part

    Calvino Rabeni: Instead of the TSK big body exercise, imagine your body being broken down into packets, then bytes, then bits, sent every which way, and reassembled in half a dozen places

    Wol Euler grins

    Calvino Rabeni: Before making its appearance as a manifest avatar

    Qt Core: now that is multi.... being?

    Wol Euler: this explains why your shoe sometimes gets attached to your arse instead of your foot!

    Calvino Rabeni: Its a genetic code - something left out, then the assembly process goes awry

    Wol Euler nods.

    Qt Core: a couple days ago i had a revelation/weird feeling

    Wol Euler: mmmm?

    Qt Core: i tried to use another editor to code and felt i had to push my mind into the code

    Qt Core: while when i was back to my beloved Vi/Vim the code was coming into my mind


    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni is now operating on battery due to a neighborhood power outage

    Wol Euler: oh wow

    Calvino Rabeni: How odd, the routers still work

    Wol Euler: "all part of Life's rich tapestry" as they say.

    Calvino Rabeni: Even if the air conditioning is out

    Wol Euler: perhaps the hotel has its own generator?

    Calvino Rabeni: Which seems like a proper priority to me :)

    Wol Euler: absolutely :)

    Wol Euler: wb crusty

    Calvino Rabeni: My AC and lights are out

    Qt Core: re-hi crusty

    Calvino Rabeni: Power out, but data lives on - thus the world is in order :)

    Crusty Goldshark: hi guys - found robes

    Wol Euler: but didn't wear them?

    Qt Core: wonder in wich mode the AC was this time of the year, warm or cold ?

    Crusty Goldshark: however efforts to wear resulted in me wearing the message board they came on . . .

    Wol Euler grins and points to the concept of "un-boxing"

    Calvino Rabeni: 36 degrees outside - here inside a thick cement uilding it doesn't take long to seep inside

    Wol Euler: has a literal meaning as well as the philosophical/metaphorical one

    Calvino Rabeni: Un-boxing - a non-violent thing to do with fists ?

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni thinks of the song "Don't Fence Me In" updated

    Wol Euler places her fist slowly and very gently against your lips. Like that :)

    Crusty Goldshark: just getting phone in rl

    Crusty Goldshark: I will try the wu wei of unboxing - many thanks

    Wol Euler: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: I got that set up yesterday - 2 cell phones that work here

    Calvino Rabeni: Addicted I suppose

    Wol Euler: let's back up a moment, I would like to hear more of Qt's editor revelation

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes *must*

    Qt Core: i have to understand if there is something about it or just my ancient ways of coding (the new editor was Eclipse, quite different from Vi)

    Qt Core: probably it is only an aftereffect of the many years of Vi use

    Calvino Rabeni: What you say makes sense to me Qt

    Wol Euler nods.

    Wol Euler: our tools affect our thinking, there's no doubt about that

    Calvino Rabeni: As with such editors the characters are placed there by your intimate actions

    Qt Core: i may have to find a plug-in that would make vi commands avaiable in eclipse

    Wol Euler: having to pick up a new tool pushes us out of the "flow" state, because we have to look at and think about the *tool* not about what we want to use it for

    Calvino Rabeni: While with Eclipse you are confronted with a wall of text and images

    Calvino Rabeni: I'd say it is partly the "too many windows" phenomenon

    Qt Core: and the to few inches phenomenon too (this phrase has to be read only in context ;-) )

    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

    Qt Core: (i tried eclipse on a 15 inches monitor, that's claustrophobic)


    Wol Euler: bye qt, enjoy your coding despite eclipse

    Qt Core: rl calls, bye all (and i should love it if only for its name ;-) )

    Crusty Goldshark: guys gonna try wear these robs - - do't wish to be eclipsed

    Calvino Rabeni: I will try the robes yes

    Wol Euler has just realized why an old Laurie Anderson song is running through her head this morning :)

    Crusty Goldshark: robs= robes - do not want bad karma from stealing from virtual monks . . .

    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, then I will need to take the vows

    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, Wol, if I look back on my chhat log, all 7 Meg of it, I see many "Wol EUler raises an eyebrow" but never "Wol Euler lowers eyebrow" - it must be pretty high by now, or you have some invisible eyes

    Crusty Goldshark: I have not used SL in a while - new sidebar interface is doing my head in

    Wol Euler: it's halfway down my back by now.

    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    Crusty Goldshark: good plan I will take virtual precepts too

    Wol Euler: oh, I loathe and despise the sidebar

    Wol Euler: I'm sticking with emerald

    Calvino Rabeni: Is emerald available on WIndows

    Crusty Goldshark: whatever emaralsd is I mitght just use the menu for now . . .

    Wol Euler: yep, and linux too

    Calvino Rabeni: Never tried it.

    Wol Euler: http://modularsystems.sl/downloads.html

    Crusty Goldshark: who thought we would have to learn getting dressed again . . .

    Crusty Goldshark: okdownloading that emerald thing now

    Wol Euler grins.

    Crusty Goldshark: many thanks wol - I am using Ubuntu - normally I use Puppy Linux - so a lot of new things for me

    Crusty Goldshark: must have rl breakfast

    Crusty Goldshark: brain slowly disintegrating . . .;

    Wol Euler: oops, calvino's router died after all.

    Crusty Goldshark: I have broadband - without proper connection it must be - not fun :(

    Wol Euler: yep

    Wol Euler: to be honest, I was surprised that it worked at all.

    Crusty Goldshark: People are resourceful

    Yakuzza Lethecus: where do you live crusty ?

    Crusty Goldshark: listen - I am gonna go and strip off in some secluded spot - or whatever I do to get dressed

    Crusty Goldshark: thanks gus - CU again

    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye crusty

    Wol Euler: bye crusty, take care

    Crusty Goldshark: :)

    Wol Euler: so, yaku, gibt's was neues bei dir?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Oh, gestern abend mit Pila und Gaya I Ching Münzen ausprobiert :).

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Sonst eigentlich nicht viel substanziell neues.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich 2 neue nette Kontakte aufgebaut diese Woche in SL.

    Wol Euler: schön

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Australien und China bzw. Irland.

    Wol Euler: drei länder für 2 kontakte?


    Yakuzza Lethecus: Jep die Chinesin lebt zur zeit in Irland und besucht in SL "thephilosopyclass".

    Wol Euler: ach so :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Das wäre auch zu spät für China.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Mich schockt es nur wie gut einige Chinesen Englisch sprechen können, es ist ein wenig beängstigend gerade da viele China noch als "qualitativ minderwertig sehen"

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Aber ipod's, iphone's, ipad's usw. kommen auch alle daher :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: naja

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Und auch die benutzen Maschinen zur Bestückung da Menschen nicht so präzise sind.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Naja aber das wusste ich auch schon vor dieser Woche.

    Wol Euler grinst

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Dennoch denkt man anders wenn man Leute kennt oder "niemanden von dort kennt".

    Wol Euler: anderseits haben die Chinesen anscheinend grosse Probleme mit Qualitäten in anderem Sinnen

    Wol Euler: giftige Zusatzstoffe in Kinderkleider zB

    Wol Euler: neulich von Markt zurückgezogen

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Jep, man denke an Mattell

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Die ganzen Spielzeuge mit den Giftstoffen letzes Jahr.

    Wol Euler: yep

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Gestern habe ich 2 neue Headphones bekommen aus China, für 4,50€ incl. Versand.

    Wol Euler: O.O

    Wol Euler: fast beängstigend

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Jep, wer weis was da drin ist aber in Deutschland kostet das der Versand.

    Wol Euler: wie kann das (a) umweltverträglich und (b) mit menschenwürdigen Lebensstandards (gehalt) zusammen gehen?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Vollmaschinelle Massenproduktion von commodities.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hmm

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Es ist schwer

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Wenn man bedenkt das mein Sennheiser Headset auch in China gefertigt wurde.

    Wol Euler: heh

    Wol Euler: den Verdacht liegt nah...

    Wol Euler: jetzt kannst du die beiden direkt vergleichen

    Wol Euler: wenn qualitätsunterschiede existieren, würdest Du das aushören

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Die neuen sind In Ear Headphones

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich hatte schon ein Set von denen die ich bestellt habe, ich benutze die Headphones nur ständig und die haben auch länger gehalten als die orginal Apple.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich bin ja mal gespannt ob du ende nächster woche ein IPad besitzt :)

    Wol Euler: ich bin eher gespannt ob ich mitte nächster woche überhaupt in SF bin.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Gaya vorraussichtlich Dienstag wie ich das verstanden habe.

    Wol Euler: ja, vorausgesetzt daß die Vulkan bis dahin aufhörte.

    Wol Euler: kann ja niemandem wissen...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Naja wenigstens hast du eine Story wie die erdgewalten deine play as being retreats zu verhindern versuchen :)

    Wol Euler: heheheheheh

    Wol Euler: zweimal!


    Yakuzza Lethecus: Was bist du aktuell am lesen ?

    Wol Euler: huh, wegen überarbeit lese ich leider wenig

    Wol Euler: das Handbuch zu Dragon Age: Origins :)))

    Wol Euler: Terry Pratchett, "Truth"

    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol, hast du Dragon Age gespielt ?

    Wol Euler: yep, bin gerade in den Anfangen

    Wol Euler: habe das Kampspiel noch nicht wirklich im Kopf

    Wol Euler: habe den Eindruch daß ich etwas von der Gameplay nicht wirklich begreife

    Wol Euler: bin trotzdem im Spiel vertieft und verliebt :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich hab mir zuletzt Battlefield Bad Company 2 gekauft um den Kontakt zu meinen alten Bekannten zu halten.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Das ist allerdings ein gewaltshooter...

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Mick hat's auch gespielt :)

    Wol Euler: DA?

    Wol Euler: oder BBC?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Aber bei ihm kannte ich das schon da er mit seinem Sohn auch CoD spielt.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: DA ?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: BBC ?

    Wol Euler: Dragon Age

    Wol Euler: Battlefield Bad Company

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Bad company

    Wol Euler: ty

    Yakuzza Lethecus: So eigentlich war es klar aber BBC hat zu stark die "BBC" bedeutung

    Wol Euler: ja, habe ich schon beim schreiben gemerkt, war aber zu spät

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Schaust du Doctor Who ?

    Wol Euler: nee, ich schaue seit mehrere Jahren nicht fern

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich schaue die episoden auch nicht im Fernsehen.

    Wol Euler: ah :)

    Wol Euler chuckles

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hast du denn noch einen Fernseher ?

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Die Gebühren sind ja auch nicht ganz ohne in Deutschland.

    Wol Euler: ja, habe ich; allerdings gilt ein Computer mit Internetanschluss als "Fernseher" im Sinne der Gebüreherhebung :/

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Nein als Radio.

    Wol Euler: da es wie du eben machst Fernsehprogramme empfangen kann

    Wol Euler: bist du da sicher? ich wurde neulich kontrolliert.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ich meine es wird als Radio eingestuft also günstiger.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...ig-976231.html

    Yakuzza Lethecus: naja, aber ich arbeit nicht nur daran :)

    Wol Euler: oho

    Wol Euler: eben, tut auch gar niemandem

    Wol Euler: juristerei :/

    Wol Euler: sowie die Zigarettenfirmen sich von Krebsprozessen sich freilügen

    Wol Euler: "hast du ein einziges mal Grass geraucht? ja? denn kannst nicht beweisen daß deine 45 jahren tabakrauchen die ursache ist"

    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Nein ich habe noch nie Grass geraucht :)

    Wol Euler: ah so! les mal: "ob für den PC im Arbeitszimmer GEZ-Gebühren fällig sind, wenn im privaten Bereich des Hauses betriebene Radio- und TV-Geräte bereits angemeldet sind."

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Evtl. war aber eine meiner Schulen mit Asbestplatten kontaminiert :)

    Wol Euler: also die frage kommt nur dann auf, wenn du sowieso schon geld einrichtest

    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ja, aber da steht auch mit drin das da nur die 5,52 fällig werden

    Wol Euler: hmmm, soll ich mal kontrollieren

    Wol Euler: anyway, ich muss langsam los, einkaufen und danach wieder an die arbeit


    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, take care

    Wol Euler: you too, enjoy the weekend

    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i wish you clear information on ur flight

    Wol Euler: ty :)

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    Originally written on 09:59, 23 Apr 2010
    @Yakuzza@Wol:I enjoyed reading your conversation in German.I know very few words but could recognize proper names and it was fun reading, like watching a ping pong game. I could feel the ease and the fluency for Yaku and and I could feel your pleasure talking some geek stuff Wol! English is very useful but is nice being reminded that life goes on in other languages all over the world. Merci beaucoup, c'??tait fascinant de vous "??couter" m??me si je n'ai ?? peu pr??s rien compris.Mais j'ai senti votre complicit?? et c'??tait bien agr??able.
    Posted 01:06, 28 Apr 2010
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