2010.04.18 0800 - Topics for Guardian Sessions .. or .. structured spontaneity AND free-form structure

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    Eleven guardians were present for this week's session... which is a great number, considering some guardians are traveling for the next retreat.... and I do hope they are faring well!!  Present for this session was: Adams Rubble, Agatha MacBeth, Bleu Oleander, Calvino Rabeni, Eos Amaterasu, Maxine Walden, Paradise Tennant, Riddle Sideways, SophiaSharon Larnia, Stevenaia Michinaga, and Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Maxine summarizes the delicate balance when discussions like this take place.... "seems we may be experiencing two strands of experience here: Adams about the value of thought, others the value of playing/flying together". As we all experience these strands of experience, we can hopefully blend them into a meaningful whole.

    Topics covered: A mix of structure and socializing during sessions, and field trips and their logistics.


    Riddle Sideways: morning sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Maxine, Hi Riddle
    Maxine Walden: no, I am not in SF, but trying to appreciate the difficulty for some to get to the SF retreat
    Maxine Walden: hi, Sophia
    Riddle Sideways: one of my other pasttimes is writing aviation software
    Riddle Sideways: and we were having trouble getting ash related network messages until this week
    Maxine Walden: oh? WOW so you may have a unique vantage point about these things
    Maxine Walden: hi, bleu and steve
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Riddle Sideways: morning Bleu, stev
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bleu, Hi Steve
    Maxine Walden: we were just musing about the effect of the ash cloud on the SF retreat
    Bleu Oleander: too bad
    stevenaia Michinaga: how many has it affected other than Wol?
    Bleu Oleander: I'm sure Wol and Gaya were looking forward to it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh yes, how disappointing for Wol and Gaya, Storm's email was so nice this morning
    Maxine Walden: yes, the everpresence of the unexpected
    Bleu Oleander: yes it was
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello everybody
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Agatha
    Bleu Oleander: hey Agatha
    Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha
    Riddle Sideways: Genesis might be affected too
    stevenaia Michinaga: quite an affect a little country can have on the world
    Maxine Walden: seems so, Riddle. And these unexpected developments likely affects the whole emotional space of those at the retreat
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed Maxine
    Riddle Sideways: which might be good?
    Maxine Walden: always the possibility of new opportunities emerging from the unexpected, as well as facing the disappointments, it seems to me
    Riddle Sideways: but, enough of this free-form chat.... I came today to make sure we stay structured (as the email agenda said)ay
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Maxine Walden: :), care to say more, Riddle?
    Bleu Oleander: hey Eos
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello eos
    Riddle Sideways: A subject near and dear to ... Hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Gang
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eos
    Maxine Walden: eos, hi!
    Maxine Walden: we were just musing about all of you in SF
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: All of us minus a few :-)
    Bleu Oleander: "Topics for Guardian Sessions"

    -What do guardians see as a good balance between
    structure and free-form?

    -Are there ideas for bringing focus while also honoring
    'the space for spontaneity' out of which great ideas often
    arise?

    -How will topics be chosen? Email? Suggestions to the
    Working Group? Previous guardian sessions?

    -What about a ritual of "News" announcements?

    -Field Trips?

    Bleu Oleander: Eliza posted this suggested agenda
    Maxine Walden: yes, sadly, we were also thinking about them.
    Maxine Walden: yes, thanks for reminding us of Eliza's posting
    Bleu Oleander: so perhaps we could talk about the structure of the guardian meetings
    Bleu Oleander: what do you all think?
    Bleu Oleander: have they been too structured or not enough?
    Maxine Walden: Bleu, what are your thoughts about re structure?
    Riddle Sideways: is the choice one or the other.
    Riddle Sideways: can't it be just right?
    Bleu Oleander: I would like to see a mix of some structure and some socializing
    Bleu Oleander: what do you think Maxine?
    Maxine Walden: I am of similar mind, bleu


    Riddle Sideways: you are my dear friends that I don't see very often
    Riddle Sideways: so I need to hear your questions, problems
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Bleu Oleander: an idea of also including "field trips" was suggested
    stevenaia Michinaga: in SL?
    Agatha Macbeth: Field trips?
    Riddle Sideways: ah, Field trips are very nice,
    Bleu Oleander: like the time we visited art
    Riddle Sideways: except for late joiners
    Riddle Sideways: and dropins
    Agatha Macbeth: Which particular fields did we have in mind?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe field trips after the meeting, or on a certain day?
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe
    Bleu Oleander: maybe the first half of the mtg is biz and second half trip/socializing?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice
    Eos Amaterasu: Play as Being in the great big SL world
    Bleu Oleander: yes Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good Eos :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: guided fieldtrips provide a focus
    Agatha Macbeth: We need to get out more!
    stevenaia Michinaga: someone familiar with the location
    Bleu Oleander: plus open our minds to other ideas
    Riddle Sideways: art musiums, labs, tesseracts
    Riddle Sideways: there are so many neat places you know of that I don't
    Agatha Macbeth likes the sound of that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) first few minutes for greeting, next maybe pab news announcements, followed by topics to be determined?
    stevenaia Michinaga: last night I had the opportunity to meer a new SL'er who came to our group
    stevenaia Michinaga: he was asking me about other meditative places here
    stevenaia Michinaga: as well as PaB
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Adams
    stevenaia Michinaga: field trips here would help fill answers to those questions too
    Bleu Oleander: hi Adams
    Riddle Sideways: morning, adams
    Maxine Walden: hi, Adams
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Adams, good to see you
    Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Adams. been a while
    Maxine Walden: Steve, were you mid-sentence ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no I think I finished
    stevenaia Michinaga: scrolling back
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was suggesting one focus of the field trips could be to places related to meditative practices
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Bleu Oleander: yes Steve and also places very different
    stevenaia Michinaga: again, with someone familiar with those locations meeting us to explain
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes as well as the many unique places in SL
    Bleu Oleander: giving us a broader perspective


    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi everyone
    Bleu Oleander: Hi Yaku
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Yakuzza
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Yaku
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Yak
    Agatha Macbeth: Yaku! :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)
    Riddle Sideways would need to learn to give teleports to others :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: that
    Bleu Oleander: that's easy Riddle
    Bleu Oleander: we can just put the TP in the chat
    Riddle Sideways would have to spend days research the interesting places in SL
    Riddle Sideways would have to learn that search box
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if you find an artist thats compelling to you, that would be a great place too
    Bleu Oleander: I already have lots of places I could suggest
    Bleu Oleander: as I'm sure others have
    Eos Amaterasu: Ditto (1)
    Riddle Sideways: please not those clubs :)
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Which clubs?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I've had my pole dancing moment
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Really...
    Bleu Oleander: funny pic in my mind's eye ....
    Agatha Macbeth is intrigued
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think I've deleted all the worthy pictures
    Riddle Sideways: Many of the live music shows, clubs, spotlights are great, but you never know who will turn up
    Eos Amaterasu: A while back I visited a 3D medicine wheel that someone had constructed over the course of almost a year - a walk through sacred space


    SophiaSharon Larnia: Would these field trips be mentioned in the log? Because if so, some sort of permission should be considered
    Bleu Oleander: so how would we choose the field trips? the meeting prior? in email?
    Agatha Macbeth: Good point Sharon
    Riddle Sideways: wiki
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
    Maxine Walden: hi, Cal
    Adams Rubble: Hello Cal
    Riddle Sideways: hi cal
    Bleu Oleander: do you need permission to suggest a location in sl?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, wiki, thanks Riddle
    Bleu Oleander: hi Cal
    Riddle Sideways: permission to log the chat
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, if the name of the artist is mentioned in the wiki
    Bleu Oleander: can't imagine an artist not loving that
    Adams Rubble: I seem to be out of the loop. Are we discussing field trips at PaB sessions?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Adams
    Agatha Macbeth: I think
    Maxine Walden: think so, Adams
    Adams Rubble: People tend to come and go
    Bleu Oleander: we talked about having the biz subjects at the beginning of the mtg and a field trip/socializing thingy on the second half
    Riddle Sideways: or special announced times (10 and 4?)
    Bleu Oleander: what do you think Adams?
    Adams Rubble: ohh the guardian meetinngs
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Adams Rubble: is this because we don't feel we have anything to say here?
    Bleu Oleander: no
    Agatha Macbeth: Not necessarily ;-)
    Riddle Sideways: because we are toooo free-form
    Eos Amaterasu: Field Trips could also be at other times, especially considering scheduling may need to be arranged with "tour guide" at the field, so to speak
    Bleu Oleander: just a bit of organization
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive thought of the field trips as exploring being in an interactive way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (in world i mean)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes SS!
    Eos Amaterasu: Like urban retreat :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that sounded confusing sorry :)
    Riddle Sideways: no it sounds right
    SophiaSharon Larnia: as we are exploring interactively in rl :)
    Bleu Oleander: good pt Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    SophiaSharon Larnia whispers: but as far as the guardian meeting goes, any furthur thoughts on that?


    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Paradise
    Riddle Sideways: welcome paradise
    Bleu Oleander: so perhaps at the end of each mtg someone could volunteer to choose a field trip for the following week
    Bleu Oleander: hey Paradise
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Paradise :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello PAradise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah nice idea
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi paradise again :)
    Eos Amaterasu: The field trip a few yards away to the arts playground was fun, and convenient
    Paradise Tennant: waves all round
    Eos Amaterasu: ~~
    Bleu Oleander: we're talking about the structure of the guardian mtgs, P
    stevenaia Michinaga: even to each other homes to see what ideas each of us brought to out little plots
    Eos Amaterasu: yes!
    Bleu Oleander: sure, nice idea steve
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I would have to clean the place up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Bleu Oleander: needs to clean up also
    Adams Rubble: One issue with field trips is communication while there. Voice changes volume depending how people are turned and it is easy for people to wander out of chat range
    Adams Rubble: so the trips need to be planned
    Eos Amaterasu: hold on to a rope
    Maxine Walden: :) eos
    Riddle Sideways: can we have buddies?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia pictures avatars all holding a rope hehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, a flying circle vehicle ? :D
    Agatha Macbeth: Erk
    Maxine Walden: like pre-school kids on an outing
    Bleu Oleander: I think we could have a short intro when we get there and then time to explore on your own
    Paradise Tennant: thanks agatha bleu :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: is there such a thing as a SL bus? (preferably hydrogen powered
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i have a magic carpet :)
    Eos Amaterasu: !
    Paradise Tennant: has a magic carpet
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at sophia
    stevenaia Michinaga: I haven't used mine in ages
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh i forgot it would need to be rezzed
    Maxine Walden: Riddle's magic carpet just flew him away perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh nice
    Maxine Walden: haha, Steve
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    stevenaia Michinaga: or...
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Paradise Tennant: ooooooo steve
    Agatha Macbeth: WB Riddle
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Maxine Walden: Riccle, Steve's magic carpet
    Agatha Macbeth: Gonna clean the floor Steve?
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, crashed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Riddle
    Adams Rubble: wb Riddle
    stevenaia Michinaga: someone mentioned a messy plot
    Maxine Walden: a carpet that also cleans floors, great idea Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
    Riddle Sideways: how do others (and how many) can ride on the same broom?
    Agatha Macbeth should have worn her ruby slippers
    Maxine Walden: does your carpet fly through ash clouds, Steve?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: !! maxine :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: this is a broom, not a carpetGuardian's Mtg_001.png
    Agatha Macbeth: Details...
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Maxine Walden: does it sweep up ash clouds, Steve?
    Paradise Tennant: would bet yes ..no engines :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It beats as it sweeps as it cleans (tm)
    stevenaia Michinaga: bleu where would I sweep it to?
    Riddle Sideways: under the rug
    Maxine Walden: to the ash heap, of course
    Maxine Walden: Vulcan's ash heap, probably in the underworld, could be another field trip
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Live long and prosper
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Maxine Walden: Steve, can you tell us how to get a broom such as yours?
    Maxine Walden: thanks, Steve


    Adams Rubble: I want to say that I think field trips can be great in small groups, that they can generate conversation and thought. I'd hate to see them replace the guardian meetings or sessions. Focusing is a matter of the participants
    Bleu Oleander: thanks steve :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my goodness Steve Thank you!
    stevenaia Michinaga: did I miss anyone
    Adams Rubble: thanks Steve
    Riddle Sideways: me
    Bleu Oleander: not meant to replace Adams, just add to
    Agatha Macbeth: Oops
    Adams Rubble: What I was trying to say is that they would be great as an an extra curricular activity
    stevenaia Michinaga: we can practice formation flying
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: see of magic carpets can keep up


    Eos Amaterasu: that''s how I would see it, most of the time; ie, not replace PaB poolside sessions or guardian sessions
    Bleu Oleander: we were thinking as an add-on to the reg guardian mtg Adams
    Paradise Tennant: quidditch anyone :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Bleu Oleander: quidditch?
    Paradise Tennant: harry potter ....
    Bleu Oleander: ah
    Bleu Oleander: haven't gone there yet
    Riddle Sideways: There probably already is a quidditch field in SL
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes Riddle probably


    Maxine Walden: seems we may be experiencing two strands of experience here: Adams about the value of thought, others the value of playing/flying together


    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at maxine :) playfully :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Riddle Sideways: is spontaneity ok?
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Bleu Oleander: I think we're talking about a blend of both
    Agatha Macbeth: I just discovered I have two types of broom in my inventory
    Riddle Sideways: structured spontaneity AND free-form structure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: love it Riddle :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: can never have enough brooms
    Agatha Macbeth: Flying and non-flying
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch that hurts! :(
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) agatha
    Eos Amaterasu: argh!
    Bleu Oleander: so any agreement on whether or not to add field trips to guardian mtgs?
    Eos Amaterasu: I die....
    Agatha Macbeth: I got poked by a broom seemingly
    Eos Amaterasu: sorry!
    Bleu Oleander: does someone want to do next weeks?
    Agatha Macbeth: NP :)
    Eos Amaterasu: need broom traffic control
    Agatha Macbeth: Yup
    Agatha Macbeth: At least brooms fly, which is more than planes do
    Maxine Walden: one question might be whether to have field trips, and play/flying as just now, during the guardian meeting or outside of the meetings
    Agatha Macbeth: Er...
    Agatha Macbeth ponders
    Maxine Walden: can see advantages re both choices...
    Bleu Oleander: why not include it at the end of the guardian mtg when peeps are together anyway
    Bleu Oleander: just a thought
    Adams Rubble: peeps?
    Bleu Oleander: av's
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds reasonable
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sounds good to me, business first, discussion...
    Adams Rubble: ah
    stevenaia Michinaga: people... peep are marshmellow candy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and Pema's 'little birds' too :))
    Maxine Walden: yes, that might be a good way to end the guardian meetings


    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off
    Adams Rubble: bye Steve
    Maxine Walden: thanks Steve
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Steve, thanks for the broom!~
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye gang, must go :-)
    Maxine Walden: and I have to be going as well.
    Adams Rubble: bye Eos and Maxine
    Agatha Macbeth: BFN Steve, I need to run along too
    Maxine Walden: bye all
    Bleu Oleander: bye everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :)
    Agatha Macbeth: C yas....
    Adams Rubble: bye Agatha and Sharon
    Adams Rubble: and Bleu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: let's keep the conversation going in email then maybe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes great idea
    Riddle Sideways: or the wiki
    Bleu Oleander: unless someone wants to suggest a lm for next week?
    Bleu Oleander: think about it
    Bleu Oleander: gtg
    Bleu Oleander: bfn
    Paradise Tennant: have a great day bleu :)
    Riddle Sideways: bye all
    Adams Rubble: bye Riddle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Riddle
    Paradise Tennant: bye riddle :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Calvino Rabeni joins the throng :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: am afk, just copying text here :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye all, be well
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (you know what I meant maybe lol)
    Adams Rubble: bye Cal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Cal
    Adams Rubble: yes Sharon
    Paradise Tennant: bye cal going to scoot too have a great day all :) big wave from toronto :)
    Adams Rubble: bye Paradise
    Adams Rubble: I guess I will be off too. Have a good rest of the day

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