2010.04.19 07:00 - A Matter of Trust

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

    Colors and archetypes

    Eden Haiku: Hello Lucinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: hi...
    Eden Haiku: Oh oh, we are wearing the same shirt from that time we went shopping together!
    Lucinda Lavender: I see!
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe we are on the same team...
    Eden Haiku: We won't make a fuss about it :-) We can reflect on oneness instead ...
    Eden Haiku: Same team yes!
    Eden Haiku: Lavender team.
    Lucinda Lavender: right now the lilacs are blooming by the front door.
    Eden Haiku: Oh, already! You are in Florida... Here in Montreal,  it will be in a month or so only...
    Lucinda Lavender: Seattle actually.
    Lucinda Lavender: it is a little warmer today
    Eden Haiku: Oh, sorry, I was mistaken...
    Lucinda Lavender: lots of things are blooming
    Lucinda Lavender: its ok..
    Lucinda Lavender: have written new poems lately?
    Eden Haiku: Nope. Had a busy busy week:-)
    Eden Haiku: Let us reflect on this synchronicity of wearing the same lavender shirt this morning. Picked mine out of an inventory of 7,933 items...
    Lucinda Lavender: oh my!
    Lucinda Lavender: I am amazed!
    Eden Haiku: I know, should sort it out. Many are just copies...
    Lucinda Lavender: I don't know a lot about the changing of clothes...
    Eden Haiku: I felt 'lavender' this morning. Then you show up, wearing your favorite color!
    Lucinda Lavender: did we talk before about what lavender might mean?

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: Feeling lavender for me is feeling happy, fresh, hopeful. First thing I noticed this morning as I opened the curtains : two little birds chirping as they flew away.
    Lucinda Lavender: for me it is softness
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey you both
    Eden Haiku: Yes Lucinda, we talked about the color before.
    Eden Haiku: Hey my dear friend Yakuzza!
    Lucinda Lavender: hhi Yakuzza!
    Lucinda Lavender: So, for you each day there a choosing of the color?
    Lucinda Lavender: Yakuzza, we have been pondering the fact that we are wearing the same shirt!
    Zen Arado: Hi Eden, Lucinda, Yaku
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Zen!
    Eden Haiku: We were talking about the synchronicity of wearing the same color Yaku. For Lucinda, lavender is quite natural :-)
    Eden Haiku: oh, hello Zen!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
    Zen Arado: how is your knee Eden?
    Eden Haiku: You were asking about choosing a color Lucinda. Yes, I do that in RL too. Feeling like a color.
    Lucinda Lavender: When I chose a name here it was in the list of suggested ones.
    Eden Haiku: Knee is healing Zen. Taking anti-inflammatory and resting.
    Lucinda Lavender: it is like choosing a quality?
    Eden Haiku: Maybe, what would you think? I agree there is a softness in lavender.
    Lucinda Lavender: I do this in RL too.
    Eden Haiku: What color are you wearing today if I may ask?
    Lucinda Lavender: turquoise and coral!
    Lucinda Lavender: and you?
    Zen Arado: I am wearing grey and black
    Eden Haiku: Ah, almost tropical! I'm in lavender and pink .
    Zen Arado: photo?
    Eden Haiku: And you guys? Very sober in SL. What about in RL? In what colors?
    Lucinda Lavender: how does one do a photo?
    Eden Haiku: ah ah Zen!
    Eden Haiku: And Yakuzza, are you still with us Yakuzza?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: blue and black
    Zen Arado: take one with your webcam and upload it
    Eden Haiku: Anyone would like to suggest a topic for the next pause?
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks
    Zen Arado: try to feel what it would be like to drop all your beliefs and opinions about everything

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: Welcome back Zen. 
    Zen Arado: ty every time I try to upload an image I get logged out
    Eden Haiku: You were dropping beliefs and uploading an image at the same time? I'm impressed!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: did you try it?
    Eden Haiku: I did.
    Zen Arado: it is very difficult to drop beliefs
    Zen Arado: but is a good practice I think
    Eden Haiku: I refrained from giving you feedback on your suggestion as I would have normally done :-)
    Zen Arado: why was that Eden?
    Eden Haiku: I have this belief that I am the divine mother and should shower feedback and blessings all the time :-)
    Zen Arado: ah I see :)
    Zen Arado: it might not be true you know
    Eden Haiku: What did you drop? You did drop from here, we saw that :-)
    Zen Arado: didn't have time to do it myself
    Zen Arado: but have tried it before
    Zen Arado: it is from a book I am reading
    Lucinda Lavender: I saw a picture in my mind of an expanding universe
    Zen Arado: it produces more openness I think
    Eden Haiku: Yes, the "divine mother' archetype is something I hold on to like a buoy in the ocean of non-identity?
    Zen Arado: yes expansion
    Eden Haiku: An expanding universe, nice :-)
    Zen Arado: it's not so much giving up beliefs as not clinging so tightly to them
    Zen Arado: so you can drop them experimentally
    Zen Arado: see what happens
    Zen Arado: see if the world collapses :)
    Eden Haiku: And not taking it personally when someone crashes because you did not say something like: 'Oh, what a nice suggestion Zen". In fact, it is an excellent subject!
    Lucinda Lavender: and it feels like perhaps what is left after the droppin is an empty container...
    Zen Arado: an open container
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eden Haiku: Empty container full of possibilities yes...
    Eden Haiku: We can listen to the winds of nothingness from there

    Zen in a podcast!

    Zen Arado: hey I did a podcast with Ted Meissner
    Eden Haiku: Can we hear you Zen?
    Zen Arado: http://www.thesecularbuddhist.com/episode_007.php
    Zen Arado: yes though I haven't listened to it myself
    Lucinda Lavender: I do not know who he is...
    Zen Arado: scared to!
    Eden Haiku: Wow! I have the sound already.
    Zen Arado: he runs a website called Secular Buddhists
    Eden Haiku: Are you sending this from viewer 2?
    Zen Arado: someone recommended me
    Zen Arado: so I did it
    Zen Arado: no from Emerald
    Zen Arado: I only sent the link
    Zen Arado: if I had thought about it I wouldn't have done it
    Eden Haiku: It sounds very professional. I'm listening to his intro.
    Zen Arado: the interview I mean
    Zen Arado: don't think many will be bothered to listen
    Lucinda Lavender: listening...
    Eden Haiku: Oh, you immigrated to Australia when you were 18? You are writing a blog about it somewhere I think?
    Zen Arado: he he never got around to finishing that

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: I will try to upload the podcast and listen to it later. It sounds interesting Zen, thanks for the link.
    Zen Arado: yw
    Zen Arado: I mentioned pab in the interview
    Zen Arado: and he posted a link to the Wiki
    Zen Arado: also Ways of Knowing
    Eden Haiku: Noticed I was playing 'divine Mother' again, writing over the silent pause even...
    Zen Arado: love being mothered :)
    Zen Arado: divine mothering even better
    Zen Arado: hear singing
    Lucinda Lavender: I look forward to listening more later...must go for now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Zen Arado: bye Lucinda
    Eden Haiku: I was singing a lullaby to you…:-)))
    Zen Arado: go to sleep little one....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care lucinda, don't scare the kids :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye Lucinda, see you !
    Lucinda Lavender: good day to all!
    Eden Haiku: Which archetype would be the strongest for you Zen, Yakuzza?
    Zen Arado: don't know any archetypes
    Zen Arado: from Jung?
    Eden Haiku: Ah...yes, from Jung. Like mythological figures you identify with: Zeus, Hermes, Dionysos...
    Eden Haiku: Like you are exploring your anima when you come here as Jan, your feminine side.
    Zen Arado: looking at a list
    Zen Arado: was I ?
    Eden Haiku: But let us go back to dropping beliefs.
    Eden Haiku: All beliefs as you said :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to drop habits
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, habits. A good start Yakuzza. Tell us more?
    Zen Arado: reminds me of enneagramme
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it is quite similar to eneagramme. I know I am the explorer type. You?
    Zen Arado: Hi Cal :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal
    Eden Haiku: Hello Calvino.
    Zen Arado: I looked at that one time and figured I was about 4 different types
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello - :)

     

     

    The Inquisitor Archetype

    The sudden disappearance of Lucinda and the sudden appearance of Calvino, stirred up some very different archetype than the "divine mother". I don't know what prompted me to transform into an inquisitor but I did. I burped out something I had been suspecting for a while. (I had not checked my email yet and I guess I would not have dared to bring up this subject if I had).

    Eden Haiku: Calvino, I have been wanting to ask you something for a while. (Was caught by surprise by myself: I usually keep these intuitive thoughts untold, even though I act on them.)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Eden?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It's tricky between belief and habit it's so solve ,,static"s" in the mind.
    Eden Haiku: Is Lucinda Lavender an alt of yours? I know you have many alts.
    Zen Arado: both can make us rigid
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Whom are you talking to ?
    Eden Haiku: Sorry the question was for Calvino, about Lucinda Lavender.
    Calvino Rabeni: I have one alt, which is rarely in play
    Zen Arado: I rarely use mine
    Eden Haiku: I remember reading in a log a few months ago that you brought one of your alts at PaB.
    Zen Arado: only tried to see what is was like having one
    Eden Haiku: And you told us who she was Zen. Calvino did not. At least, I am not aware of it.
    Calvino Rabeni: I have an alt named Cor Wylder, and Liza has an alt named Darren.
    Eden Haiku: I know about Liza, thanks.
    Calvino Rabeni: How about you - do you have alts (zen, eden, yaku)?
    Zen Arado: same as Twitter name

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: Yes, I have Rrose Millar, my identical twin. I introduced her here a few times.
    Zen Arado: my alt is Jan Qualia
    Calvino Rabeni: Or if they're secret, what do you use them for? Play? Attending multiple meetings at once? OR maybe gender identity exploration?
    Eden Haiku: So your answer is that no, Lucinda Lavender is not an alt of you Calvino?
    Zen Arado: Hi Sartre
    Eden Haiku: Welcome Sartre. Have you been here before?
    Calvino Rabeni: I thought that was you, but the alt denied it :)
    Sartre Placebo: i don't know, but my alt
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe your alt has a mind of its own!
    Eden Haiku: Puzzling answer Sartre...should I hand out a notecard :-)))
    Sartre Placebo: no thx
    Eden Haiku: One of the beliefs I would have to drop, would be to suspect any newcomer of being a Calvino's alt...because of that one time you admitted bringing one here as an experiment Calvino.
    Zen Arado: should write a poem about alts Eden
    Eden Haiku: Started one, called 'The geiko', still unfinished...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so sartre here is my alt
    Zen Arado: I have an urge to bring mine atm
    Zen Arado: ah
    Eden Haiku: Oh, nice to meet you Yakuzza' alt.
    Sartre Placebo: nice to meet you too
    Zen Arado: I can't start mine unless I start her first
    Calvino Rabeni: Ackk, double trouble :)
    Eden Haiku: I have no problem with alts. But I have a problem with alts used to carry on experiments at PaB.
    Zen Arado: with sl viewer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I don't know yet in how far alts are supposed to have their own lives for myself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's an issue to attend 2 events at the same time for me
    Zen Arado: I can hardly keep up with one event at a time
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, you cannot do that without an alt
    Eden Haiku: Oh, that is why you can be so silent Yakuzza, I see :-)))
    Yakuzza Lethecus: only at the 1 pm session most of the time
    Zen Arado: maybe if I listened more :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There may be lots of alts among the guardians - hard to know isn't it?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods
    Zen Arado: I know of one for sure
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i only suspect 1 that i don't know about
    Eden Haiku: I trust most guardians.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, trust is the main issue here
    Eden Haiku: In fact, Calvino, you are the only one I do not trust. :-)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah Eden, what have I done to merit this??
    Eden Haiku: Saying you brought an alt here without telling it was an alt. Months ago...
    Sartre Placebo: nice to meet you all
    Zen Arado: what is the problem with alts anyway?
    Zen Arado: what is the difference between a new person and an alt?
    Eden Haiku: I might be dropping the 'divine mother' archetype Zen, I guess...I'm being as inquisitive as Calvino can be I guess...
    Calvino Rabeni: Well that has happened a lot of times I think
    Zen Arado: it is just a different facet of one person?
    Zen Arado: some pretense there I suppose....
    Eden Haiku: Alts are fine. I get along very well with Darren. I'm just troubled that someone would not be transparent about it.
    Zen Arado: I am just musing about it Eden
    Zen Arado: it's like we present a 'self' - a version of ourselves to others that is probably a bit false even in RL
    Eden Haiku: So I have this belief that in order to trust someone, I should not be lied to :-)
    Zen Arado: I read somewhere that it is not good to trust people
    Zen Arado: you are assigning a role to them
    Zen Arado: that they have to live up to
    Eden Haiku: So you have a belief about not trusting people Zen?
    Zen Arado: does that make sense?
    Zen Arado: this was a surprise to me Eden
    Zen Arado: I like to be able to trust people
    Eden Haiku: Oh, yes, trust can be a burden. Suspicion another one…:-)
    Zen Arado: but in a way we are rigidifying them
    Eden Haiku: I do trust people on first sight.
    Zen Arado: taking away some of their freedom
    Eden Haiku: Then they sometimes prove me wrong…:-)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Trust takes some work
    Zen Arado: but in relationships.....
    Eden Haiku: For me, trust is immediate.
    Calvino Rabeni: The burden is on oneself, not the other, in my opinion

     

    --BELL--

    Dropping into a black hole of suspicion

    Eden Haiku: Dropped any belief anyone?
    Zen Arado: trust is a kind of expectation of how others SHOULD behave?
    Zen Arado: dropped belief in trust :)
    Eden Haiku: No. Not for me. Trust is a natural instinct towards others. A belief in oneness. In kindness.
    Eden Haiku: But when I drop trusting someone, then I fall in a black hole of suspicion. :-)
    Zen Arado: but there is a kind of doubt element in trust too
    Zen Arado: or you wouldn't need to trust
    Eden Haiku: Hum, no. You can always hit a wall and you will for sure, in communication.
    Zen Arado: would you trust me Eden?
    Eden Haiku: But I have this deep trust that others are just humans, just like me.
    Eden Haiku: I do trust you Zen. From the moment I met you.
    Zen Arado: but you don't know me very well
    Zen Arado: I might be very untrustworthy for all you know
    Eden Haiku: I would not give you my credit card number Zen...if it is what you mean…:-)
    Zen Arado: you have never had to trust me really?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I think it's enough that we all are here and that we aren't economically related.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: When we see what each other writes at least i gain trust very fast as soon as i relate to that.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that is good to know: not economically related Yaku....
    Zen Arado: funny how we trust people with everything but money :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: And the openness of the place is fitting my schema of how a society should be created.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, we don't have teachers here but a good bunch of really interested curious ppl
    Eden Haiku: Oh, yes, me too Yakuzza. PaB is some kind of utopia incarnated.
    Eden Haiku: And teachings can come from everywhere.
    Eden Haiku: We started with dropping all beliefs and now we are talking about trust...
    Zen Arado: remembers Eckhart Tolle talking about someone saying 'he let me down'...
    Zen Arado: no...he didn't turn up is all....the rest is the story we add
    Zen Arado: ?
    Zen Arado: so trust is a kind of story in a way
    Eden Haiku: Well for me, trust does not mean expecting something specific from anyone. Just welcoming their own human nature with all its beauty and flaws.
    Zen Arado: a story we tell ourselves about others
    Eden Haiku: Yes, very good: a story we tell ourselves about others.
    Zen Arado: a judgement too
    Eden Haiku: I taught communication for many years to 20 somethings students.
    Zen Arado: but we do have to trust people
    Eden Haiku: And I trusted them they would open up.
    Eden Haiku: 95% of them did. It was amazing.
    Zen Arado: so your expectation of them enabled that ...
    Eden Haiku: They shared with the whole group and they learnt so much from each other.
    Calvino Rabeni: An expectation is a powerful thing, isn't it?
    Zen Arado: Hi Crusty
    Zen Arado: yep
    Zen Arado: Christmas again already ?
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that is called empowerment I think Zen. Trusting people they will show up with all their soul.

     

    Alternate avatars

    Crusty Goldshark: hi zen - hi guys
    Eden Haiku: Hi Crusty.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey crusty
    Eden Haiku: See Calvino, I always suspected Crusty to be one of your alts.
    Zen Arado: if you expect the best from people you often get it is the story
    Crusty Goldshark: Christmas party? Am I late - early - probably wrong dimension - AGAIN!
    Eden Haiku: No no, this is a Christmas party Crusty. Jingle bells, jingle bells..
    Zen Arado: we can't go on together with suspicious minds :)
    Calvino Rabeni: !! ?? Any unknown alt is one of mine (?)

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: What would you say about that Crusty?
    Calvino Rabeni: I have only one alt, and it has show in PAB 2 times total
    Crusty Goldshark: You mean I am a vessel for someone else - no doubt
    Eden Haiku: Ah, very good answer Crusty. Brilliant!
    Crusty Goldshark: Did someone just go or was it something I didn't say?
    Eden Haiku: So you mean your only alt is Core Wylder Calvino? Is he the one who came here without revealing who he was the first time?
    Calvino Rabeni: Zen seems to hav disappeared
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that is true Eden
    Calvino Rabeni: One time only
    Crusty Goldshark: :) anyway glad to be here in spirit if not in any other sense . .
    Calvino Rabeni: And there was no expectation of standards, that I was aware of
    Eden Haiku: Thank you for clearing that up Calvino.
    Calvino Rabeni: All the logs are an open book
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    Eden Haiku: Standards?
    Crusty Goldshark: I have very high standards - so I have something worth breaking . .
    Eden Haiku: Hello Jan, how sweet to see you again!
    Jan Qualia: Hi All :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes about alts. When I came here I assumed, if people create alts, they want privacy and it must be respected
    Crusty Goldshark: Hi Jan
    Jan Qualia: I am one of Cal's alts :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey jan
    Eden Haiku: I have been wanting to tell our friend Zen how much I appreciate his piece at 'Art of Being'. This tower of light is so sharp, so Zen!
    Calvino Rabeni: Jan, you tempt me :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how come that ur in the ,,open science" group ?
    Crusty Goldshark: just got store my fish curry in RL
    Eden Haiku: Ha ha, I know you are not.
    Crusty Goldshark: stir
    Jan Qualia: why didn't you tell him ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Crusty, your av name reminds me of yesterday's dinner
    Jan Qualia: don't know Yaku
    Jan Qualia: just found some groups to join
    Jan Qualia: like the blonde hair?
    Eden Haiku: I don't know why I did not tell Zen. I have been wanting to but then it burped out when I saw you Jan.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think if you tell Jan, then Zen will automatically know
    Jan Qualia: he has too much ego anyway...
    Eden Haiku: The hair is wonderful , looks like my haircut in RL...
    Jan Qualia: this sets me a puzzle
    Eden Haiku: Maybe I was afraid Zen would not accept the compliment?
    Jan Qualia: would I like this type of woman in RL?
    Jan Qualia: zen loves compliments :)
    Eden Haiku: ok, so I will make sure I tell him too :-)
    Eden Haiku: Shall we focus on dropping beliefs on the next pause?
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni thinks it funny that SL has the name Qualia
    Crusty Goldshark: is av our name in SL?
    Jan Qualia: it is from Zen and the art......
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for me the dropping usually works in a way of being nonjudgemental and don't, remember" my old action
    Yakuzza Lethecus: then suddenly i find a better solution for what i would normally do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hard to explain
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, not about zen or motorcycles, really?
    Jan Qualia: nah a kind of philosophy he invented
    Eden Haiku: Ah, yes, not remembering. I see what you mean Yakuzza.
    Jan Qualia: is it dropping trust too?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, trust in having an error tolerant environment
    Eden Haiku: Maybe yes, as a compulsory attitude trust should be dropped too.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: static believes have there security
    Eden Haiku: ?? Yaku?
    Jan Qualia: a FALSE SECURITY THOUGH
    Jan Qualia: caps
    Jan Qualia: sorry
    Eden Haiku: Oh, yes, We are holding on to them for security.
    Crusty Goldshark: ah - av=avatar - yes my avatar is a mishmash
    Eden Haiku: Like I'm holding on to my distrust of Calvino. And I am ashamed of that. :-))


    Trust challenged in Thailand

    Calvino Rabeni: I felt my trusts challenged here in thailand
    Jan Qualia: why Cal?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: santazenbuddist ?
    Jan Qualia: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I will carry your mistrust, Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: How are you challenged with trust in Thailand Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: Until such time as you release me
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, well, I rented a motorcycle, and there is no insurance

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: Thanks for bearing this cross Calvino...
    Jan Qualia: hmmmm
    Calvino Rabeni: And if it is stolen, I must pay for it all
    Calvino Rabeni: YW Eden :)
    Eden Haiku: oh....So I guess you keep an eye on the motorcycle all the time?
    Jan Qualia: big problem if you have an accident
    Calvino Rabeni: So my paranoid thought was, the owner could just take it away from where I left it, then ask for money
    Crusty Goldshark: Why don't you steal so you don't have to worry about getting or not getting the insurance
    Calvino Rabeni: And there are lots of "horror stories" on the internet
    Calvino Rabeni: But, millions and millions of these transactions happen - statistically it is quite safe
    Calvino Rabeni: Is that trust?
    Eden Haiku: Third World is an excellent ground for training our trust....
    Calvino Rabeni: Lots of things happen here, not protected from misfortune or malfeasance
    Calvino Rabeni: Is that trust?
    Eden Haiku: I would say it is.
    Jan Qualia: trust in fate maybe
    Calvino Rabeni: Oddly, my sentences come out in wrong order in the log
    Eden Haiku: Trusting that everything will be ok.
    Jan Qualia: fate can be very untrustworthy though
    Jan Qualia: in my experience
    Crusty Goldshark: Everything will be OK - if not - that is OK too . . .
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, and that misfortunes will be minimized rather than played for advantage
    Jan Qualia: resting in whatever is is not really trust though?
    Jan Qualia: is giving up trust
    Crusty Goldshark: There is a Sufi saying - "If you have no problems, get a motorcycle"
    Calvino Rabeni: Resting in uncertainty ?
    Jan Qualia: yes
    Eden Haiku: remembers seeing this little girl of about 6 years old sitting in a rickshaw loaded with school children. She was sitting on a kind of little extended bench over the traffic jam, so serene like a little princess. Without a helmet, for sure :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: If you rest in certainty, it doesn't seem like trust
    Jan Qualia: that kind of trust gets a lot of people killed
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
    Jan Qualia: yes Yaku
    Crusty Goldshark: You can trust on death
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Yakusan
    Jan Qualia: I better go and make my dinner too
    Eden Haiku: It does. We would never let a child travel like that in First World.
    Jan Qualia: make Zen's dinner.....
    Eden Haiku: Bye Yaku!
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't know about europeans, but americans are rather nutty and obsessed about safety
    Crusty Goldshark: bye jan
    Eden Haiku: Bye Jan! Hope you are a good cook :-)
    Jan Qualia: nah
    Jan Qualia: but zen isn't fussy :)
    Jan Qualia: bye
    Calvino Rabeni: Have a couple of pints then, one for Jan and one for Zen
    Eden Haiku: Say hello to Zen! And bon appetit!
    Crusty Goldshark: my curry is ready - live long and prosper - bye guys
    Eden Haiku: Enjoy your mal Crusty!
    Eden Haiku: *meal
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
    Crusty Goldshark: it aint mal I hope - but thanks
    Crusty Goldshark: hope
    Eden Haiku: Thai Ping food?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yesterday I had a crusty stingray for dinner
    Eden Haiku: What is a crusty stringray Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: First and last time
    Eden Haiku: Oh, not good...
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, a stingray is a kind of shark that is flat like a pancake with a tail
    Calvino Rabeni: And I think they are kind of nice animals
    Eden Haiku: Is it in the family of ray fish?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eden Haiku: I dislike that kind of fish too.
    Calvino Rabeni: So I ended up feeling sorry for it, more than for a shrimp
    Eden Haiku: How is the food in general in Thailand?
    Calvino Rabeni: And the flavor was not excellent of the fish
    Calvino Rabeni: Generally - always freshly prepared from natural Eden Haiku: Ah yes, isn'it wonderful? Third World is already into slow food..
    Calvino Rabeni: So I'm in favor of it, it's all like home cooking
    Calvino Rabeni: Right
    Calvino Rabeni: And I think I'm not stranded here by the volcano
    Eden Haiku: But then, they do not breath fresh air...
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, the ash cloud...When are you supposed to fly back?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not in Bangkok. But on the other hand, there seem more green buildings, low energy buildings, very efficient
    Calvino Rabeni: Low carbon footprint etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: One week from today is my return
    Eden Haiku: I guess it is not a problem flying from Asia. Hope so.
    Calvino Rabeni: TO US, not a problem

    --BELL--

    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, Europeans must have problems flying back already...
    Calvino Rabeni: Stranded in Bangkok, can't return to Europe - about 6000 people
    Eden Haiku: So sad for Wol, who could not make it to San Francisco retreat.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I was sorry to hear it
    Eden Haiku: And all these people stranded in airports...
    Calvino Rabeni: There are worse places than Bangkok to be stranded
    Calvino Rabeni: I nice new airport - many amenities

    Heard a "get lost " sound in the pavilion. Reacted with a flight impulse and acted on it.

    Eden Haiku: Sorry, I have to leave. Bye Calvino...
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, be well Eden
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