2010.04.23 07:00 - Yaky-hour and voice in SL

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

     

    Bleu Oleander: hey Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
    Bleu Oleander: how are you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: a bit confused
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know why
    Bleu Oleander: are you starting your happy hour today?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes
    Bleu Oleander: great, i'll come by
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am curious how it works out
    Bleu Oleander: so what's making you confused?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how ppl will handle technical issues and alike, one issue is that i was supposed to be going to a friend of mine but he´s not responding on the phone
    Bleu Oleander: hmmm
    Bleu Oleander: is he far from you?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what about you, how are you today ?
    Bleu Oleander: great thanks
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, just 5 minutes with the car
    Bleu Oleander: looking forward to our NYC trip
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, nice
    Bleu Oleander: have you heard from any of the retreat people?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and in principle you already read everything there is to know about the ppl you meet there :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: no only in the happy hour thread
    Bleu Oleander: you could say that yes, but I have lots of questions for them
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal
    Bleu Oleander: hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, bleu, Yaku
    Bleu Oleander: for example Yaku ..... this article quotes one of the people we'll be meeting
    Bleu Oleander: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...t-is-sleep/?hp

    --BELL--

    Bleu Oleander: neuroscientist Rodolfo Llinas .... we have also met V.S. Ramachandran on our recent past trip, so i'm sure we'll have an interesting discussion on dreams
    Bleu Oleander: someone stopped by PaB last evening and we were talking about this article and he asked "so what?" what do you think about that question?
    Bleu Oleander: hi Arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, it´s tricky since i constantly think about my own habits handling things i don´t understand i can believe that even i would have said something like that a few years back
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey arch
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but since i explore in sl generally the access to new topics and pab is somehow a part of it since i feel ,,dropping" an essential part in getting an unbiased view of new phenomena so to speak
    Bleu Oleander: hey Zen
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i wouldn´t have gone to a place on contemplation intentionally a year back
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
    Archmage Atlantis: Have any of you ever asked Piet about his 3 initiatives
    Yakuzza Lethecus: 3 initiatives ?
    Zen Arado: no?
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lucinda
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lucinda
    Zen Arado: Hi Lucinda
    Calvino Rabeni: "
    Lucinda Lavender: good morning
    Yakuzza Lethecus: arch:could you pls elaborate on what you mentioned before?
    Zen Arado: ty Bleu
    Archmage Atlantis: No.....Piet did it much better than me in his site on phenomenolgy
    Bleu Oleander: yw
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you bleu for the notecard
    Bleu Oleander: yw
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, give a min....need to disconnect RL from SL from L
    Archmage Atlantis: I like soy sauce....I also like vegetables in my wok

    --BELL--

    Zen Arado: don't think I'll make it to happy hour tonight Yaku
    Zen Arado: but it's a good idea
    Bleu Oleander: I think it's a very good idea Yaku and look forward to seeing how it works
    Bleu Oleander: do you think many people have issues using voice?
    Bleu Oleander: regarding identity?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i am also curious, so the first sessions will also be to overcome technical issues first i guess :)
    Zen Arado: shrugs - I don't anyway
    Archmage Atlantis: O, does that mean I have to do that happy dance?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if you wish your are free :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but you don´t wear it
    Bleu Oleander: too early for that!!
    Zen Arado: I am in your power Yaku :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Need to print, tech is still winning
    Lucinda Lavender: I am thinking about the tech issues...
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a good initiative, worth trying
    Zen Arado: it's pretty easy to get a cheap headset and plug it in.....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: So, i hope that we will drop the issues and just come to free associating
    Bleu Oleander: do you think people don't want to use voice as voice would reveal their identity?
    Lucinda Lavender: good question...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Some, but they are free not to join us.
    Bleu Oleander: of course
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It is an issue for many ppl in second life not to use voice.
    Bleu Oleander: i've encountered many who don't wish to reveal their identities
    Bleu Oleander: so don't use voice
    Yakuzza Lethecus: I also hope that some of the ppl might send their alts if they won´t participate in unfitting avatars.
    Zen Arado: some of us don't have nice voices
    Bleu Oleander: every voice is a nice voice
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Zen Arado: good way to think Bleu
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Hmm but that we sometimes don´t like our ,,own" voice doesn´t mean that other ppl don´t like ours :)
    Bleu Oleander: never met a voice I didn't like :)
    Zen Arado: I have hang up about my voice I think
    Yakuzza Lethecus: It´s always strange to get the own voice recorded.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: And no, no records on the session btw.
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, cameras don't work right either :)
    Bleu Oleander: yes, I often don't like the sound of my own voice .... but maybe others hear it differently
    Lucinda Lavender: In the conversations I have experienced it takes at least 15 min to get people up and running but that gets shorter as they get used to the tech issues
    Bleu Oleander: exactly Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: THey come out less good looking than the mirror
    Lucinda Lavender: patience with many things
    Zen Arado: always people who keep their speakers on
    Zen Arado: instead of a headset
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, it´s obviously better to use a headset right.
    Bleu Oleander: maybe do a short notecard Yaku
    Calvino Rabeni: How could you tell whether someone else were about to speak, in order to coordinate?
    Zen Arado: how do we do that in RL?
    Zen Arado: body language?
    Calvino Rabeni: An important communication method - you look at faces
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Body lanugage is a part of it, also the tone of voice
    Lucinda Lavender: we used a virtual stone that we verbally say we are opassing to the next person in the circle
    Bleu Oleander: at our salons we ask that they type "?" in text and a moderater calls on them
    Calvino Rabeni: and they look like "ready to say something"
    Zen Arado: yes you could have a symbol that means 'I want to say something'
    Bleu Oleander: it helps Zen
    Calvino Rabeni: The moderator woudl be helpful fo r any size of SL voice group
    Zen Arado: to replace body language indications
    Calvino Rabeni: More than 2-3 I would guess
    Yakuzza Lethecus: For example on the roadsidephilosophers they use a ball in the middle of the circle.
    Calvino Rabeni: And how to use it, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: There are 10-20 ppl there so the ball indicates who sends an interrupt
    Bleu Oleander: same idea only scripted?

    --BELL--

    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, scripted
    Lucinda Lavender: dream circle is ceremonial in nature so the spiralling of the moving stone is ceremonial as well. Here there is a different way that e is
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you plan something like that for the voice chat session?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i am glad when there will be around 5 +-2 ppl each time, if it gets to big and there are maybe too many newbies then it could prevent ppl from opening up.
    Bleu Oleander: I find that if the group isn't too big, our system works well, but having something scripted would be better
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Not yet, but i think i ask the person who ows it at roadside.
    Bleu Oleander: does someone moderate at roadside?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, pamala clift, it´s actually rockcliff
    Zen Arado: couldn't we ust use a gesture to replace the body language
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hihi, yes who wants to speak pls raises his arm :)
    Bleu Oleander: we tried "wave" as a gesture, but not everyone knew how to do that
    Bleu Oleander: and it became complicated
    Calvino Rabeni: That might be difficult due to lags and camera problem
    Bleu Oleander: just putting something in chat was easier
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, and you still need to watch the screen, i am not eager to really use visual triggers
    Bleu Oleander: then you could call on them in order
    Calvino Rabeni: It is are that Ican get a glance at the whole group on my small screen
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, with sound, one can relax more
    Yakuzza Lethecus: who knows what might come up, if somebody got poetry to share so be it
    Bleu Oleander: more than 3 or so does get hard with voice only ... sometimes sounds as if people are interrupting each other
    Yakuzza Lethecus: somebody knows a good short zen story or meditation, so be it, everyone will be free
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i see it as an experiment
    Zen Arado: namaste
    Bleu Oleander: we do all our salons in voice with an option for text and it has been an interesting experiment over the past year
    Calvino Rabeni: What have you observed?
    Bleu Oleander: we found that the moderater plays a key role
    Lucinda Lavender: the groups I have experienced were about 7-9 people.
    Lucinda Lavender: no moderator until the end
    Zen Arado: I notice if someone is a main speaker in voice others can ask questions in voice and that seems to work well
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Zen Arado: others in text I mean
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it will always be an option, but i would prefer everyone trying to use voice, if somebody got technical issues he´s obviously free to ask me and i´ll see how i can help
    Zen Arado: not suggesting we do that
    Bleu Oleander: also, as people get to know each other "in voice" the conversations get smoother
    Zen Arado: yes youget to sense when somone wants to speak
    Bleu Oleander: also Yaku .... you are free to use my studio if you find you get too many people interrupting your group
    Zen Arado: but you say far more and more quickly in voice
    Zen Arado: we will run out of things to say maybe :)
    Bleu Oleander: no spelling mistakes hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: I think that might be a favorite part of the experience here for me. taking time...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx, bleu
    Zen Arado: how many can you take Bleu?
    Zen Arado: I can only have 5 people at my place
    Bleu Oleander: I'm sure I could take quite a few .... no one is ever there
    Calvino Rabeni: :) yes L L
    Bleu Oleander: I think you can have up to 40 or so in a region

    --BELL--

    Lucinda Lavender: I make many spelling erroers because the fingers try to go fast...
    Calvino Rabeni: I can't make it this time, but lok forward to attending another "Yaky-hour"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just pab in voice and i hope it will have a special dynamic, just exploring how the use of voice really works out in the whole group
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so far i have positive experiences in private conversations
    Bleu Oleander: it's a fun idea Yaku and i'm sure it will work
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Zen Arado: yes _ we have talked in the pub a few times
    Bleu Oleander: have patience with the tech part and the rest will follow
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i fear ppl might get annoyed from the tech issue very quickly and never give it a try again
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that is what i noticed in sl, everything else doesn´t really concern myself right now
    Bleu Oleander: do a quick notecard with some tips
    Lucinda Lavender: really like that idea

    Calvino Rabeni: Zen, is this your familiar over here with the white boots?
    Zen Arado: yep
    Bleu Oleander: cute cat Zen
    Lucinda Lavender: sweet
    Bleu Oleander: what's it's name?
    Zen Arado: getting fond of her
    Zen Arado: haven't decided yet
    Zen Arado: a momentous decision!
    Bleu Oleander: "no name" like the cat in "breakfast at Tiffany's"
    Zen Arado: maybe she doesn't need a name?
    Bleu Oleander: how about "PaBby"
    Lucinda Lavender: :)))
    Zen Arado: she reminds me of a cat I had as a kid
    Zen Arado: called 'Moggie'
    Calvino Rabeni: Noted, she shall be known as - the cat with no9 name
    Zen Arado: maybe I will call her that
    Zen Arado: Moggie
    Zen Arado: anything but 'Meep'
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: its a very clever animation
    Zen Arado: you can set as a guard cat
    Bleu Oleander: guard cat?
    Bleu Oleander: does it grow big claws?
    Zen Arado: yes - she will attack any one who comes on your property
    Bleu Oleander: funny!
    Zen Arado: I haven't tried that option yet
    Calvino Rabeni: Today I saw a billboard with Pooh, Tigger, and ... Mickey Mouse. Wol was missing... maybe too scary.
    Calvino Rabeni: Another random observation - a bicycle built for 4, with a family riding it
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Zen Arado: amazing forms of transport in some countries
    Zen Arado: and so environmentally friendly
    Zen Arado: we are so car dominated
    Calvino Rabeni: The little 100cc motorbike is the workhorse (or maybe, donkey) of the developing world
    Calvino Rabeni: It pulls all kinds of things, wagins, food carts, whole families
    Zen Arado: shows how small engines can be
    Calvino Rabeni: A hardware store for example
    Zen Arado: we don't need the big gas guzzlers
    Calvino Rabeni: WThe store comes to your house
    --BELL--
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks away, bye cya later :) *hopefully*
    Bleu Oleander: cu Yaku
    Zen Arado: bye Yaku
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Yakusan
    Bleu Oleander: I have to go also .... cu all later
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