2010.04.29 07:00 - Wondering around the camp-fire

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    After a night of access to Second Life being unavailable, we manage to meet again for a quite dreamy session with many long pauses.

    Storm Nordwind: Hi there Nick :)
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Nick Cassavetes: hi Storm
    Nick Cassavetes: good afternoon
    Storm Nordwind: Good afternoon to you. It is still morning here! :)
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Nick Cassavetes: ok
    Nick Cassavetes: say, can you maybe help me to link of the website of the gatherings? lost it
    Storm Nordwind: Do you mean the information about these meetings? It's here: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Nick Cassavetes: ty
    --BELL--
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there Yakuzza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning both of you
    Nick Cassavetes: good day
    Storm Nordwind: You had no problems logging in then?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, right i see in ur profile that ur from belgium
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i haven´t had any, did you have some trouble nick
    Nick Cassavetes: yes I am
    Nick Cassavetes: yes I did have some issues logging in
    Nick Cassavetes: but it fixed itself
    Nick Cassavetes: had to just log into a different location
    Storm Nordwind: It was bad for about 8 hours or so I think
    Storm Nordwind: The surrounding sims are still not talking to my viewer. We appear to me to be sitting on an island sim!
    Nick Cassavetes: I see

    We wonder about perception.
    Storm Nordwind: Maybe there's a metaphor there! :)
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps perceived appearance is related to where we are and what we are, and that in turn is related to what we've done and where we've been (?)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eliza
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi ya, Storm, Nick (nice to see you again Nick)
    Nick Cassavetes: I wonder sometimes if anything is in the eye of the beholder at all, maybe just mere openness and closedness to perceive the full richness of reality?
    Nick Cassavetes: very likewise Eliza
    --BELL--
    Storm Nordwind: A very good point Nick
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
    Storm Nordwind: Good morning SophiaSharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning :)
    Nick Cassavetes: good morning Sharon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hiya ssl
    Eliza Madrigal: That was quite a beautiful line, Nick... "Is there anything in the eye of the beholder at all?" feels like half a koan :)
    Storm Nordwind admires Sharon's blue-eyed snow tiger cub
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) thanks, I found him lonely in my inventory
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Nick Cassavetes: thx Eliza
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Storm Nordwind: Would you like to say more about that Nick? :)
    Nick Cassavetes: may a next step in that line of questioning would lead my to question if 'perceiving' is nothing more then recognising something inside us, like in atman is brahman, or like in Leibniz view, where the monads even don't have windows
    Nick Cassavetes: but that leading far away from the original wonder wich made me state the first thing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: HI!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda! :))
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Lucinda :)
    Nick Cassavetes: hi Lucinda
    Yakuzza Lethecus: luci
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Nick Cassavetes: I think I want to do justice to richness of Reality, connecting us all, it's not just projection imo
    Lucinda Lavender: this is nice...
    Nick Cassavetes: had a long talk with someone from ACIM about it, that left me with new deepened questions

    We wonder about wondering itself.
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps that is the beauty of wondering, rather than analyzing. Perhaps it opens to the possibility of playful experience that can cut through rigid or even flexible mental structures.
    Eliza Madrigal: :) the beauty of wonder ... Mmm
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Nick Cassavetes: yes Storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a projection, like appearance?
    --BELL--
    Storm Nordwind recalls that the Longchenpa's Trilogy of Comfort and Ease progresses from considering "Mind", then to "Meditation" through to "Wonderment"
    Eliza Madrigal considers
    SophiaSharon Larnia googles :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Eliza Madrigal: Wonder seems the very definition of openness... wide-eyed appreciation
    Eliza Madrigal: eyes not just in the sense of eyes...
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal begins to speak in riddles unintentionally
    Storm Nordwind giggles

    Actually the third volume of Longchenpa's Trilogy is variously called by different people: Wonderment, or Magical Apparitions, or the Illusoriness of Things. Meanwhile Lucinda notices that the absence of the pool between us today, and the rather 'snugger' circle, might be influencing us.
    Lucinda Lavender: Lucinda is wondering about how we are influenced by a new sort of placement in this pavillion...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: reminded me I read monads as many I's but can't remember where I read it, I's as many points of view
    Storm Nordwind: Good point Lucinda. How do you feel about it?
    Lucinda Lavender: very nice...
    SophiaSharon Larnia misses the water :)
    Storm Nordwind: All PaB guardians are given the 'keys to the kingdom' that emables them to change the seating here between three presets. The default is as you normally see it, but I wasn't expecting many people today!
    Eliza Madrigal: When the circle is set like this, I look for a camp fire, yet I like the spa treatment effect
    Lucinda Lavender: imagining a ring of water that connects us all.
    Lucinda Lavender: If I could build it it would look like a stream
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Lucinda :)
    Eliza Madrigal: the eyes, I's ... have keys..
    Eliza Madrigal checks her forehead for fever and apologizes... haha
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Love this :)

    Lucinda tells us about imaginary camping exercises she gets to do with her students.
    Lucinda Lavender: I get to pretend camp at my school...as a way of being prepared for Earth quake.
    Lucinda Lavender: We sit on a red blanket and pretend to toast marshmallows over the batterdriven lamp.
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, how fun Lucinda :))
    Lucinda Lavender: Singing Home on the range...in the dark.
    Eliza Madrigal loves the way that children give grown-ups permission to get lost in play
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting drill for an earth quake. at first sounded like something scary for children
    Lucinda Lavender: well we must prepare them to retreat to a windowless room...

    After eventually forcing a 'squirly' Second Life to let me build, a camp-fire manifests in our midst, while more exercises are described.
    Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Storm
    SophiaSharon Larnia feels herself warm up "thanks Storm!"
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Lucinda
    Eliza Madrigal: Imagine, Sharon, that they also have 'bomb drills'.... everyone has to get under the tables....
    Eliza Madrigal: and there are drills to hide from intruders
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that'll work
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Teachers have a dance of not showing anxiety...
    Lucinda Lavender: yes..
    Eliza Madrigal: of creating a safe space, with their tones and expressions....
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: steamy fire :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I's as having some sort of consciousness, an ego, I'd I'm not finding that anywhere
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (in reference to monad, not I myself :) )
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe part of what a teacher is doing in those cases, is protecting the children's sense of wonder, even while 'preparing them'

    Meanwhile, since we're round a campfire, Yakuzza has handed out marshmallows on sticks, though they need a little editing of their attachment position. Still, it provides some more opportunities for wondering (at Yak's expense) and some nice photos.
    fire_002.jpgYakuzza Lethecus: i have a marshmallow stick but no clue where to wear it
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    SophiaSharon Larnia laughs, I think I'll leave that one alone Yak
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahahha
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Suggestions for the next guardian meeting: "Where should Yak wear his marshmallow stick?" (Answers on a postcard please to /dev/null)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i am not certain
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
    Eliza Madrigal: I should actually go. I do feel so refreshed to have seen you all for a bit this morning :) Thanks Storm, everyone :))
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Eliza. Take care!
    Lucinda Lavender: goodbye Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Muslin
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Nick Cassavetes: bye Eliza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: where did you wear it storm ?
    Nick Cassavetes: hi Muslin
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Muslin
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I too have to go bye all :))
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Muslin tho I do not see you...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi muslin, bye ssl
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
    Storm Nordwind: Normal place Yak. Just edited it.
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Sharon.
    Nick Cassavetes: bye Sharon
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Sharon!

    Poetry from reality or imagination.
    Lucinda.jpgLucinda Lavender: The sound of crickets...by the fire.
    Storm Nordwind: Sounds like the start of a poem Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Yes, then my thought was...first one might have to experiience it in RL...but then I thought of dropping that.
    Storm Nordwind smiles
    Storm Nordwind: It's an interesting point: can one write poetry from imagination only rather than from physical experience?
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Lucinda Lavender: I wonder?
    Storm Nordwind: One can, I'm sure, but the result is quite different when read by others (in my experience). It seems one can tell.
    Lucinda Lavender: in the quality of vividness?
    Storm Nordwind: Not sure how to put it... there's a lucidity, certainly, and a credibility. And a lack of self-indulgence perhaps too.
    --BELL--
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks away, bye everyone
    Lucinda Lavender: Ah!
    Lucinda Lavender: oops!
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Lucinda Lavender: I have had the experience of reading aloud others dreams.
    Lucinda Lavender: And there is less attachment...
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Lucinda Lavender: and maybe it invites more possibility of what one hears.

    We break up.
    Lucinda Lavender: Well...must go for now. Take care all!
    Storm Nordwind: Bye Lucinda :)
    Nick Cassavetes: bye, take care ... I should be going myself, was nice
    Storm Nordwind: Bye for now Nick!
    Nick Cassavetes: take care
    Nick Cassavetes: ㋡
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Lucinda Lavender: Someday I will learn to wave I hope.
    Storm Nordwind: It's in your standard gestures. When you have more time, I'll help you activate it :)
    Lucinda Lavender: good then
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