2010.05.01 07:00 - Lost in middle of unspoken thoughts

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sartre :)
    Sartre Placebo: hey gaya
    Sartre Placebo: how are you ?
    Sartre Placebo: hey eos
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eos :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm good thanks yourself?
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Gaya, Sartre (?)
    Sartre Placebo: i am also fine
    Sartre Placebo: yaku
    Sartre Placebo: sophia bought me this outfit and i don´t want to change my main outfit
    Eos Amaterasu: look like the Mad Hatter
    Sartre Placebo: so i thought i leave it on my alt
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Sartre Placebo: hehe, i am the mad hatter
    Gaya Ethaniel wonders where sophia is ...
    Sartre Placebo: she logged on
    Sartre Placebo: so how are you eos ?
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm fine... a rare morning session for me
    Eos Amaterasu: How is Sartre/Jaku?
    Eos Amaterasu: & nice to see you, Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes nice [rare] to see you too Eos :)
    Sartre Placebo: i am also fine, feeling a bit strange today but it´s fine
    Sartre Placebo: i even allowed myself to be more weired this morning :)
    Eos Amaterasu: how so "strange", Yak?
    Eos Amaterasu: it's raining sophias
    sophia Placebo: Hello "sorry lagging "
    Sartre Placebo: hey sp :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello raining sophia :)
    sophia Placebo: iam crashing
    sophia Placebo: haha
    Gaya Ethaniel: :(
    Eos Amaterasu: oh oh
    Eos Amaterasu: lots of NDE's in SL recently
    Gaya Ethaniel: NDE?
    Sartre Placebo: NDE ?
    Sartre Placebo: rofl
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Near Death Experience
    Gaya Ethaniel: heheheh
    Eos Amaterasu: appearance-loss
    Sartre Placebo: for me it´s a constant issue how to elaborate on any topic without lossing a postive tention, now to allow myself feeling sad and worried about not having success
    Sartre Placebo: how to seek exposure and how to find information and the ability to discuss what ever comes to mind in a particular moment
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Liza :)
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    Sartre Placebo: hey liza
    Sartre Placebo: long time no see liza
    Liza Deischer: coul be :-)
    Sartre Placebo: :)
    Liza Deischer: not staying long either
    Eos Amaterasu: brb
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok
    sophia Placebo: hi liz
    Gaya Ethaniel: You are perfect as you are maybe Satre? Don't worry, be happy :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: In general, I worry less these days because it's painful to worry ...
    Eos Amaterasu: back
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb :)
    Eos Amaterasu: meant to say that's a great topic, Yak/Sartre
    sophia Placebo: Sartre Placebo: i even allowed myself to be more weired this morning :) < what do you mean
    Eos Amaterasu: "so let it out and let it in, Hey Jude, begin..." (?)
    Sartre Placebo: oh, it´s hard to explain that, i was really kinda blurry in my thoughts about egalitarianism, what´s fair...
    Sartre Placebo: what my buttons are
    Sartre Placebo: freely associating how media triggers emotional buttons when i hear the news about a country which is going to get billions of euro´s and the ppl retire kinda early
    Eos Amaterasu: sorry must leave
    Liza Deischer: woops there he goes
    Sartre Placebo: wow not even possible to say by
    Liza Deischer: no :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enjoy your day Eos :)
    Liza Deischer: just for the record, bye Eos :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Sartre Placebo: bye eos :)
    Liza Deischer is pondering about greece
    sophia Placebo giggles
    Liza Deischer: you, I think that people who are living there right now, have more doubts about there lives then we have
    Liza Deischer: I think it is stupid of the european community that we let them in, we should have checked better
    Sartre Placebo: yes, i am also sorry for every greek individual
    Sartre Placebo: still, to see that they are making more debts then their household is in a single year is kinda scary and makes one wonder
    Liza Deischer: true
    sophia Placebo: iam sorry for every poor human on earth , and al jobless and all low wages and all middle class who are under the pressure to stay there and all the millionares who die from heart attacks
    Liza Deischer: but I guess that people from Africa (a lot of them) think the same way about Europeans, any kind
    Sartre Placebo: yes, definetly :)
    Sartre Placebo: so how does the media gets our attention
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's always different when looking in vs. looking from inside ...
    sophia Placebo nods
    sophia Placebo: well sartre , media is mostly the voice of politician worries
    Liza Deischer: different for somebody from the states and an european, you mean?
    sophia Placebo: (iam feeling iam having terrble chat lag)
    Gaya Ethaniel: If for example that person from Africa comes to Europe and lives here for a while, his or her views would change considerably.
    Liza Deischer: true
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry to hear it sophia ...
    Liza Deischer: but that is the difficulty
    Liza Deischer: we act as our neighbour is doing
    Liza Deischer: *like
    Liza Deischer: we think it is normal to have a cup of coffee in the morning
    Liza Deischer: a car (though maybe small) before the door
    Liza Deischer: and for the CEO of that bank, what is it called (:-)),Golden Sacks (?), it is normal to have a lot of cars and more houses
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm sure not all of us are like that ...
    Liza Deischer: and a private jet
    sophia Placebo: it is normal to eat with our bare hands
    sophia Placebo: from one plate
    Gaya Ethaniel: PaBers appreciate what we have for sure.
    sophia Placebo: sitting on ground lol
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Liza Deischer: yes Gaya, I think so too, but we also take a lot for granted
    Liza Deischer: we are used to it
    Sartre Placebo: i am quite scared when i see that banks like goldman sachs already have systems for ,,algorithmic online trading" and alike
    Liza Deischer: that is normal
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes ... easy to slip into that Liza.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Algorithms for share tradings have been around for a long time ...
    sophia Placebo: i think i am lost in middle of unspoken thoughts
    Liza Deischer: we can only compare with the people nearby
    Gaya Ethaniel: They employ many math PaDs for example.
    Sartre Placebo: yes
    Liza Deischer like unspoken toughts
    Gaya Ethaniel: Or do we need to compare unless it's to appreciate what we have now?
    Liza Deischer: we do compare, we like to socialize, fit in
    Gaya Ethaniel: sophia, norms change for me depending with whom I'm eating, whether they are Korean or not :P
    Liza Deischer: even if we don't want a big car
    Liza Deischer: or aprreciate what we have
    sophia Placebo: still lost
    Liza Deischer: meaning the same thing as you Gaya, if I would have lived in Greece, I thought retirement at 53 is completely normal
    Sartre Placebo: i don´t mind someone having more money,a bigger house,bigger car,better clothing
    Sartre Placebo: but that knowledge and the access to even tacid and implicit learning is different
    Sartre Placebo: if you have intelligent nice coworkers you end up liking ur work much better
    Liza Deischer: it is unfair Sartre, I agree
    Gaya Ethaniel: Yes, access to education is important.
    Liza Deischer: if you only have a few intelligent managers....... sigh
    Sartre Placebo: the tricky part is that there isn´t just an ,,educationsystem" we educate each other
    Sartre Placebo: our cowokers might influence our attitudes
    Sartre Placebo: or our friends
    Liza Deischer: and we shouldn't be afraid of sharing
    sophia Placebo: so you are discussing if the media is turning a norme situation of greek economy life to a crises by measuring it with the more rich countries ?
    Liza Deischer: information or whatsover
    Liza Deischer: what soever
    Sartre Placebo: i am not thinking of greece anymore :)
    Sartre Placebo: right now at least
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Sartre Placebo: but greece is something that triggers my buttons
    Liza Deischer: whispering: pssst, so girls don't talk about Greece :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Sartre Placebo: lol
    Liza Deischer: areyou talking about unfairness
    Liza Deischer: ?
    Sartre Placebo: yes, where i allow myself to see it
    Sartre Placebo: to allow it to be a button
    Liza Deischer: hmmm, that's interesting
    Sartre Placebo: but i don´t mind a vacation on crete either :P
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: but what happens if you allow yourself that?
    Liza Deischer: -but
    Sartre Placebo: i grasp seeking for information on hour our environment changes our attitued
    Sartre Placebo: attitudes
    Sartre Placebo: it´s tricky, we all seek for healthy environments
    Liza Deischer: and what happens if you do that?
    Sartre Placebo: yes
    Sartre Placebo: i try to formulate things in words that are and were in my mind already
    Sartre Placebo: so i mentioned this morning that even pab is a language learning process
    Sartre Placebo: dropping is to let go of for example triggers for me
    Liza Deischer: brb
    sophia Placebo: dose eating the candy for the healthy is eating the candy for the diabetic ? dose feeling sad for whom lost his beloved is same as whom lost his shoe ? guess some feelings and some actions and emotions should be looked at from where it came from
    Gaya Ethaniel nods.
    Sartre Placebo: It´s a problem for me that i don´t really know how to find ppl to talk about the different topics i have in mind when they happen in everyday life.
    Sartre Placebo: And i often don´t know how to find the exact literature i am looking for, i am glad that google exist today, of course.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Why don't you blog Satre?
    Liza Deischer: or block?
    Sartre Placebo: I don´t want to write down my weired thoughts as long as i define them as weired and unelaborated myself.
    sophia Placebo giggles
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel shrugs. You don't have to make it public ...
    sophia Placebo: you are missing a lot of fun by not doing that
    Sartre Placebo: But suffer when i try to elaborate upon them but don´t have a feeling of progress.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Writing can help you to refine and understand better of own thoughts.
    Liza Deischer: yes, that is exaclty the problem Sartre
    sophia Placebo: have a kashkool notebook
    Gaya Ethaniel: What's kashkool notebook?
    Liza Deischer: I can tell you what I think I see, but knowing at the same time it won't help you
    Liza Deischer: because there are obstacles that need to be taken slowly
    Liza Deischer: trust is important
    Liza Deischer: speeking your mind too
    sophia Placebo: i dot know what you call kashkool lol but it is a notebook to write all the weierd stuff feeling and thoughts and fantasies and all qotes you like and poems , and wahtever crosses your mind , note sure if theer is a name for it
    Liza Deischer: but it is hard to get the 'weirdness' out
    Liza Deischer: the weirdness is not caused by your thoughts
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
    Liza Deischer: they are all genuine and true
    Sartre Placebo: the issue is when i like ppl i start minding how they percieving me
    Sartre Placebo: so it gets harder to mention ,,everything"
    Liza Deischer: the weirdness is caused bij trying to understand something, but not knowing how
    Liza Deischer: I guess that is my view :-)
    Liza Deischer: so what you do is trying to talk about it, to get information
    Liza Deischer: trying to make sense out o it
    sophia Placebo thinks sartre is worriyng too much
    Gaya Ethaniel: I've found over the years, more I accept and appreciate myself, less I'm concerned about what people think of me.
    Liza Deischer: yes what you describe is one of the obstacles that need time
    Liza Deischer: yes Gaya
    Sartre Placebo: i try to understand what i should make habitual and allow myself to be happy about
    Gaya Ethaniel: What if someone you like don't appreciate who you are for whatever reasons ... does it matter Satre?
    Liza Deischer: And I don;t thing so Sophia, something is bothering him
    Liza Deischer: to him it does right now
    Gaya Ethaniel: One would like friends who aren't so jugemental surely ...
    Sartre Placebo: It´s easier yes
    Liza Deischer: and of course there is a reason for this feeling of being judged
    Liza Deischer: but the reason itself is tangled up in a lot of other stuff and not easy to find
    Sartre Placebo: i mean if you are kinda weired and don´t know what you want nobody will be able to help you unless you can explain exactly
    Sartre Placebo: but as soon as i really know what i have the solution
    Liza Deischer: no, that is not entirely true
    Liza Deischer: somebody can help you to find it
    Liza Deischer: or somebodies
    sophia Placebo thinks sartre hat is too big and his outfit is so childish , dosnt reflect a person who might bring a serouse debate , and thinks that he hmm *thinking about something to trigger some feelings in sartre* is so uncertain that one can manipulate him easly and so undecided that one cant relay on him and ...... :) thinks thats enough for now
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Almost time to go :) Wish you all enjoy your weekends.
    Sartre Placebo: take care gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: Don't worry and be happy Satre :)
    sophia Placebo giggles " too bad iam not feeling devilish now "
    Liza Deischer: well the thing is, in the end you don't manipulate Sartre that easily :-)
    Liza Deischer: bye Gaya
    sophia Placebo: bye gaya :)
    Liza Deischer: or he wouldn't be here arguing :-)
    Sartre Placebo: i don´t argue i try to explain my weiredness :P
    Liza Deischer: okay, explaining, you're right
    Liza Deischer: I like weird persons :-)
    Liza Deischer: they alsways bring along unexpected things
    Liza Deischer: but some of them are also struggling very much
    Liza Deischer: it is not easy to make sense out of this world
    sophia Placebo: wait
    Liza Deischer: ah, somebody crashed?
    Liza Deischer: I don;t know if you got this
    Liza Deischer: I like weird persons :-) [08:01] Liza Deischer: they alsways bring along unexpected things [08:02] Liza Deischer: but some of them are also struggling very much [08:02] Liza Deischer: it is not easy to make sense out of this world
    Liza Deischer: you seem to have crashed
    Sartre Placebo: i received that
    Liza Deischer: k
    sophia Placebo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW-3KwXpkkM
    Liza Deischer: cool :-)
    sophia Placebo: :) life in simple words is simply wonderfull , all its coors known and weird ones
    Sartre Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: do the water colors changed?
    sophia Placebo: did*
    Sartre Placebo: yes, still there are things that i even want to allow myself grasping for
    Liza Deischer: (not that I can see)
    Sartre Placebo: and where i think i ,,want" to allow myself getting upset about when i feel that there is something now right
    sophia Placebo: would relog
    Liza Deischer: to me it sounds like you know where you're at
    sophia Placebo: happy to see you both !
    Liza Deischer: bye Sophia
    Sartre Placebo: take care sophia
    Liza Deischer: thanks for the wonderful goodbye :-)
    Sartre Placebo: yes
    Liza Deischer: well, I guess that makes one of us left :-)
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