2010.05.01 13:00 - Connection

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. This session was attended by Qt Core, Liza Deischer, Bertram Jacobus, arabella Ella, Mickorod Renard, and after a bit of session, Pema Pera, Yakuzza Lethecus, Wol Euler, Abe Forsythe, and Herbie Lannock (new to PaB). I have left this session uncommented, except perhaps, for the bell.


    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Qt hi Liza :))
    Qt Core: Hi Sophia, Liza
    Liza Deischer: hi sharon, QT
    Qt Core: Nice hat, liza, but why the borg hand ?
    Liza Deischer: thanks
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ah i like that :)
    Liza Deischer: it is part of a bionic arm
    Liza Deischer: couldn't get rid of it right away :-)
    Qt Core: !
    Liza Deischer: sometimes you 'drop' things slowely :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Qt Core: it seem you dropped your entire arm if you needed a bionic one
    Liza Deischer: hehehehe
    Liza Deischer: lost it in my lab
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry i missed opening day :(
    Liza Deischer: o, dat is okay
    Liza Deischer: *that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i went to a 1m session, and it felt so weird :) Is it late for you both?
    Qt Core: 10pm
    Liza Deischer: 10 pm here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Qt Core: this is the best timed session, usually the only one i can come in working days
    Liza Deischer: true
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can feel like an entirely different person depending on the time of day
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont know if has to do with being tired
    Liza Deischer: well it is the third session to me today
    Liza Deischer: doesn't feel like a good idea :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow, I think me too :)
    Qt Core: only my second i was doing something i needed more at the previous one... sleeping ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bertram
    Qt Core: hi Bertram
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the usual suspects ;p
    Bertram Jacobus: hi sharon, qt and liza
    Bertram Jacobus: i thought similar sharon ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Bert
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so... playing as being....
    Bertram Jacobus: how shall we do this - evening ? ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: what could we play ? :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i wonder if the playing too much leaves you feeling disconnected in some ways
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it would be the opposite
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. no ! in contrary ! i would response spontaneously ... but ... when i look abit more intense, then the next association is : "hmmmm ?" ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and "it would be the opposite" ? - what do you mean with that, please ? :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thats my instinctual reaction too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the expectation that you would feel more connectioned, setting up tht
    SophiaSharon Larnia: more connected*
    Bertram Jacobus: hm. i think, there is again the difference between theory and practise ...
    Bertram Jacobus: so far, i have feelings as usual i´d say, playing :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Bertram Jacobus: hey ara ! :-)
    Qt Core: Hi Ara
    Bertram Jacobus: and i can say, i learned to play here more then before ...
    Bertram Jacobus: and find it very benefitting
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Mick
    Bertram Jacobus: hey mick ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi Ara, hi Mick
    Mickorod Renard: hi Guys
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I asked, if playing as being can create a feeling of dissconnection, but now i almost regret it :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    Qt Core: hi Mick
    arabella Ella: why the regret SSL?
    Mickorod Renard: Hi
    Mickorod Renard: no regrets SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the expection that it is always a positive thing
    Liza Deischer: that is something to regret :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i find myself with more time on my habds, and find myself floating around, doing too much thinking
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,,thinking can become a bit provoking
    Bertram Jacobus: more time on your what, please ? ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hands* sorry :))
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. ty. silly bert didn´t understand
    SophiaSharon Larnia: silly ssl can not type
    Bertram Jacobus smiles at his sis :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Bertram Jacobus: same family ;o)
    Qt Core: rl calls, bye all
    Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
    Mickorod Renard: I think the thinking time provided by Pab techniques should be done in a positive fashion
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Qt :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye Qt
    Liza Deischer: bye QT
    Bertram Jacobus: why do you have more time now sharon ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i good friend passed away in March, and I quit my job in April, not really connected, but in a peripheral way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a*
    arabella Ella: owwww sorry to hear about that Sharon how sad
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lifes a you know what :))
    Bertram Jacobus: may be also how we look at it ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so time to dig in gardens and clean the house :), until i start my new job
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bert :)
    Mickorod Renard: is it that you have the time cos u r not in work?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Mickorod Renard: I did almost 7 years without work..by choice to a degree,,it sent me mad
    Liza Deischer: sorry, to hear about your friend
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Mick :))
    Mickorod Renard: yes, I am sorry bout ur friend too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was expected
    arabella Ella: still sad even when expected
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Liza Deischer: even so
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so playing as being, setting that aside, or what
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *dropping* that, too
    Liza Deischer: you try to set aide those experiences?
    arabella Ella: but Sophia don't you enjoy having some time to yourself for a change since you are not at work at the moment?
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t set it aside at the moment ...
    Mickorod Renard: I think play as being comes as a package,,it also includes for me an appreciating part,,rather than thought time for regrets
    Mickorod Renard: oops
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i do, Ara, and Mick the appreciating is so difficult sometimes
    Liza Deischer: hmmmmm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: tied to a want what i can not have
    Mickorod Renard: well, i bet we all do
    Bertram Jacobus: "but" you sound very clear to me sharon - do you feel so, too ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: release the want, and there is a dissconnection
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive had time to think about it
    Liza Deischer: can you eleborate on that a bit more Sharon?
    arabella Ella: could you say more about your 'want' Sharon or is it too personal to ask?
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, i know what you mean ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: releasing the want for me, realeases a feeling of being connected to what I am doing at any given moment, which it tied to a goal oriented activity
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i want to have a nice garden, so i go to the garden center and walk around
    Bertram Jacobus: but i would prefere the word "dissolution" instead od disconnection (!) ... ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: brb sorry
    Bertram Jacobus: of*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm dissolution, looked that up :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can almost see why yogis stay in one position and dont move
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no wants, no need to do anything
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just be
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but sometimes more easy to say or to see than to do, to realize
    Mickorod Renard: do you think that having the nice garden is something like the cementing of the better outlook derived from Pab,,and then realise that in fact there is no need to cement with material things?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its a phenomonalogical pleasure :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did i spell that right? laughs
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. i think we understood
    Bertram Jacobus: hope at least ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: which brings me back into my body
    arabella Ella: if i may say so Sophia you are fortunate to have large garden centres to visit :)
    arabella Ella: (as a substitute for your own garden i mean)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i know :) thanks
    Bertram Jacobus: why "back into your body" ?
    Mickorod Renard: I find myself using the better feeling about life as a catalyst for building up a little world of my own of nice things,,but I feel that these things are actually just complications if desired too much
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i like nursuries better, the plants in garden centers remind me of pens where you keep animals for some reason
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    arabella Ella: interesting comparison Sophia
    Liza Deischer: right Mick
    Bertram Jacobus: what "brought you back into your body" sharon ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: being born as a human, for the phenomonological experience, thinking of that
    Bertram Jacobus: ah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: every day things, enjoying appearances
    Mickorod Renard: I wonder, for myself,,whether I am becoming like a meglamaniac,,trying to create a perfect world in both my mind and then in my personal environment
    Bertram Jacobus: i see
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Mick :))
    Mickorod Renard: then at other times I think,,wouldnt it be nice to have nothing, and no responsibilities,,and so forth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think we all do that to some extent
    Liza Deischer: need to go
    Liza Deischer: tp
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Liza
    Bertram Jacobus: bye liza ...
    Mickorod Renard: bye Liza
    arabella Ella: bye Liza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to sounds so depressing! It's just whats on my mind
    Mickorod Renard: I like to be industrious with my time
    Mickorod Renard: instead of doing stuff for myself maybe I should spend my time helping others less fortunate
    arabella Ella: i think you sound more concerned rather than depressing Sophia
    arabella Ella: thoughtful, reflective
    SophiaSharon Larnia: balancing dropping wants with being connected to something
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dropping the need to be too
    Bertram Jacobus: sry if i don´t find it depressing enough sharon ! ;-) - but may i ask : is this all related to your question in the beginning : if "playing too much could have influence on feelings" ? ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i think a lot of time for reflection, is a shaky ground if you are doing it alone
    Bertram Jacobus: you are not alone ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but you didnt ask that, you asked about playing :))
    Mickorod Renard: I can relate to you there haron
    Mickorod Renard: sharon
    Bertram Jacobus: "but" especially here i see a hughe difference between playing and gravity (!)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, one can drop and being connected and all that playing or in avery bonded and in that way heavy form (and many others) ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Mickorod Renard: everything seems to hindge on balence,,too much or too little of a thing seems to effect us
    Bertram Jacobus: and i would suggest the playing form ;o)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;o)
    Bertram Jacobus: and know that sometimes training is needed
    Bertram Jacobus: but also think : already in the next moment the goal can be reached
    Bertram Jacobus: we never know ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes true Bertram!!
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Sharon, Bert, Arabella, Mick!
    arabella Ella: Hiya Pema
    arabella Ella: chat lag is really bad tonite
    Pema Pera: Glad I'm just in time still for the session!
    Mickorod Renard: I think, inside of us is a need to feel happy,,yet this need also becomes a burden too,,as we expect that just like we expect food to eat
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Pema
    Bertram Jacobus: hy pema ! :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just in time yay :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, but the need there is a little different? the need to eat vs being happy?
    Mickorod Renard: I am quite attracted to the in and yang idea a bit
    Pema Pera: I guess I follwed my need to be happy and came here to see you all :)
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Mickorod Renard: but I think, and I am no expert,,but the yin and yang stuff does provide scope for fluctuations in state of happiness
    arabella Ella: i think it is safe to say we are all happy to see you too Pema :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more Mick?
    Pema Pera: thank you, Arabella (and if I may, mist in the fountain indicates the 90-sec pause :-)
    arabella Ella: i think it could also be a result on all the influences on our upbringing, our formation ... we are raised to tend to expect happiness all the time which is an impossibility due to the wax and wane and flow of everything
    Mickorod Renard: well, I have been looking at the i ching,,and I dont know what to make of it really,,but it does open me up to realizing that you do have to cope with ups and downs as a natural cycle in life
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    arabella Ella: (@Pema ... chat lag is terrible and chat typed before the pause sometimes appears during the pause)
    Pema Pera: (ah, okay, I'm sorry!)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: now,if I notice a lil negative goin on, I just resolve it by thinking that it will soon end and turn positive again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, important to keep that in mind :))
    Mickorod Renard: I did worry it may turn me into a manic depresent, but so far this line of thought has only provided me with a more positive outlook
    Pema Pera: :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I must go, so nice to see you all!!
    Pema Pera: yes, isn't that funny how stepping away a bit also feels like stepping more into it . . .
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now :)
    Mickorod Renard: bye SSL
    Pema Pera: bye Sophia!
    arabella Ella: bye Sophia
    Pema Pera: haha, for a moment I thought SL was going down again, Mick!
    Mickorod Renard: How are you Pema?
    Pema Pera: oh fine! And I like your parallel between food and happiness
    Mickorod Renard: are you away from home?
    Pema Pera: as creatures we need both, crave for both, for good reasons
    Pema Pera: (about to go to Japan again, in a week)
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,but we do get hungry at times
    Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
    arabella Ella: Hiya Wol
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
    Pema Pera: and yet we also have the freedom to see ourselves as not-only creatures, as Being for example, without a need for anything, but with the ability to appreciate everything
    Pema Pera: hi Wol!
    Pema Pera: hi Yaku!
    Bertram Jacobus: hy and bye - sry - leave now too - wish you all a great time. and as always : tyvm for the talk, group and all ! ...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Wol Euler: hello yaku, and bye bert
    Mickorod Renard: yes, looking at things through a multitude of angles or perspectives is sure to find one positive aspect
    Pema Pera: bye Bert!
    Mickorod Renard: bye Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: tyty all again :-)
    arabella Ella: bye Bert
    arabella Ella: Hi Yaku
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any good topic today ?
    Pema Pera: and the challenge of seeing as Being is to explore what it means to look without taking a position, without an angle . . .
    Pema Pera: you judge, Yaku :-)
    Mickorod Renard: but in a way that too is an angle
    Mickorod Renard: isnt it?
    Pema Pera: (Saturday night fevor in Germany? Bert out, Wol and Yaku in, busy :-)
    Pema Pera: no, or at least ideally no
    Wol Euler: yes, tha tmust be it.
    Pema Pera: as long as it is an angle, we are dealing with Being as an idea
    Pema Pera: an idea has an angle
    Pema Pera: but that what the idea points to is beyond angles
    Pema Pera: beyond any choice or any form of this or that, beyond any duality
    Mickorod Renard: so the dropping is a complete detachment of all self?
    Pema Pera: yes, in the sense of "seeing through" not in the sense of cutting of or denying or ignoring
    Mickorod Renard: mmmm
    Pema Pera: acknowledging without beying stuck to in
    Pema Pera: *it
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes it could be felt to be one of those things
    Pema Pera: yes, that's why we explore/practice/experiment to find the right way
    Pema Pera: to find what is natural
    Pema Pera: like riding a horse, the first few times you're thrown off :-)
    Mickorod Renard: there were times in the past when I had dettached myself so completely to be able to not feel things
    Pema Pera: ah, that's a very different thing
    Wol Euler: hello abe
    Mickorod Renard: but surely this is like ignoring in a more developed way
    Abe Forsythe: hi
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Abe
    Abe Forsythe: hello everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello abe
    Pema Pera: Hi Abe
    Abe Forsythe: am I inturpting?
    Mickorod Renard: have you been here before Abe?
    Abe Forsythe: long time ago
    Mickorod Renard: noo
    Wol Euler: I'll give you an introduction in IM, Abe, so ... ah, so you know what we do and who we are?
    Abe Forsythe: ok
    Wol Euler: and about the recording and publishing of htese sessions
    Mickorod Renard: thanks Wol,,by the way, I am not guardian tonite
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Abe Forsythe: published/
    Pema Pera: welcome back, Abe!
    Abe Forsythe: ty
    Mickorod Renard: yes published,,it may mean u may never be able to stand for president next elections
    Abe Forsythe: oh
    Mickorod Renard: or thereafter
    Pema Pera: can avatars stand for president?
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Abe Forsythe: run for president
    Wol Euler: if actors and professional wrestlers can ...
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Mickorod Renard: and we can edit out anything you say that you feel you didnt want to get posted
    Mickorod Renard: if u tell us in time
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Mickorod Renard: looks like Ara crashed
    Abe Forsythe: what could I say that would be bad?
    Wol Euler shakes her head. Not bad as such, but you might perhaps say things that you decided were too personal
    Wol Euler: anyway.
    Abe Forsythe: why are you recording then?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: to be able that when somebody forgets about the logging to make a big deal out of it in the media :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like with gordon brown
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :P
    Mickorod Renard: but in reality its all very relaxed here
    Pema Pera: there are a few reasons, Abe; for one, it means that those of us who are not at a session can read what was said
    Abe Forsythe: well I don't think I will be running for president or prime minister
    Pema Pera: another reason is that all of us can go back to what was said, if we want to continue a topic later
    Abe Forsythe: but life turns on a dime
    Pema Pera: yes, and the dimes are smaller in SL :-)
    Mickorod Renard: Pema, Have you any idea how many read the logs?
    Pema Pera: no, not really
    Abe Forsythe: so what is the topic at hand
    Pema Pera: and there are probably some (many?) who never come into SL but read the logs
    Mickorod Renard: yes
    Pema Pera: the last topic was happiness, Abe :)
    Pema Pera: and the need for happiness, and the question of whether we can go beyond needs
    Mickorod Renard: I think I may have suggested that Happiness may become something like a need,,like food,,and be valued like a comodity
    Mickorod Renard: then, if so,,do we become attached to it too much?
    Abe Forsythe: is that the point of life is to be happy
    Pema Pera: what do you think, Abe?
    Abe Forsythe: I think being happy is a need
    Abe Forsythe: just like eating or shelter
    Pema Pera: fair enough, when we view ourselves primarily as a biological/psychological creature
    Mickorod Renard: is there something else other than happy that is just as nourishing Pema?
    Pema Pera: what do you think is the piont of life, Abe?
    Pema Pera: *point
    Abe Forsythe: to pass on your genes to the next generation
    Herbie Lannock bows
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Herbie
    Herbie Lannock: may i join you?
    Wol Euler: please do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb ara, hello herbie
    Herbie Lannock: thx
    Wol Euler: IÄll give you an introduction in IM so we don't disturb the others
    arabella Ella: Hiya apologies had bad crash ... ouch ... and my connection is low tonite
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
    Pema Pera: haha, Mick, how about Being? but "nourishing" then has an unusual meaning
    Pema Pera: wb Ara!
    Pema Pera: welcome, Herbie
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,this is what I was thinking
    Pema Pera: alas, RL calling -- but glad to see you all; will be back in four hours and a half (but too late for Europe, I guess :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was looking for a word that would provide a feeling of satisfaction that was not wieghted down with its connoctations
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Mickorod Renard: Bye Pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Abe Forsythe: got go
    arabella Ella: bye Pema
    Abe Forsythe: I will come back
    Mickorod Renard: bye Abe
    Abe Forsythe: another time
    Mickorod Renard: u r welcome
    Wol Euler: wb ara
    Mickorod Renard: are u looking for symetry Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but you would have to go 2 pillows to ur right
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :P
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx now i have ara for me alone :)
    Mickorod Renard: hey
    arabella Ella: :)
    Mickorod Renard: ?:(
    Yakuzza Lethecus smiles evil
    Mickorod Renard: he he
    Wol Euler: play nicely, now.
    Mickorod Renard: so,,what brings you here Herbie?
    Wol Euler: the need to nap?
    arabella Ella: we always play nicely dont we Wol?
    arabella Ella smiles
    Herbie Lannock: sorry the phone rang
    Wol Euler: :) np
    Mickorod Renard: no probs
    Herbie Lannock: well
    Herbie Lannock: i found your group in search
    Herbie Lannock: and it sounded interestingh
    Mickorod Renard: well, some sessions are quite deep,,others are light and chatty
    Herbie Lannock: i am intersted in reality too
    Herbie Lannock: usually i dont chat a lot
    Herbie Lannock: i was doing a sword fighting game here most ^^
    Wol Euler: I noticed the C:SI blade :)
    Mickorod Renard: I think we have all been trying to unravel that 'reality'
    Herbie Lannock: yes
    Wol Euler: I use Musashi myself :)
    Herbie Lannock: hehe yes
    Herbie Lannock: mine is an archatek
    Herbie Lannock: but musashi look great
    Wol Euler: I'll be honest, I'm in it mostly for the style
    Mickorod Renard: I have some assasin daggers,,but havnt used them in some while
    Herbie Lannock: i love the sparring in csi
    Herbie Lannock: its a mind game
    Mickorod Renard: how does that work?
    Herbie Lannock: youb have a sword game like some computer game
    Herbie Lannock: action
    Mickorod Renard: ok
    Herbie Lannock: its a samurai thing
    Mickorod Renard: so it is hand to hand fighting?
    Herbie Lannock: with some clans and rankings and stuff+
    Herbie Lannock: its 1 vs 1
    Mickorod Renard: so u wear a damage dic?
    Mickorod Renard: disc
    Herbie Lannock: wtf is that
    Mickorod Renard: sorry
    Herbie Lannock: lol
    Herbie Lannock: i am from germany
    Mickorod Renard: lots from Germany
    Wol Euler: there is a HUD that goes with the weapons, Mick, it records damage taken and inflicted
    Mickorod Renard: I am uk
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats what I meant Wol,,when I said disc
    Mickorod Renard: its been a long time
    Herbie Lannock: its funny too meet in SL to discuss reality
    Mickorod Renard: its dificult to find anyone in rl that wants to
    Wol Euler: Herbie, we record and publish the minutes of these meetings. May we have your permission to include your SL name and your words?
    Herbie Lannock: ok sure
    Wol Euler: ty
    Herbie Lannock: i thought ppl are here to play mostly
    Mickorod Renard: I think sl opens up peoples minds to the question' what is reality'
    Wol Euler: many are, sure; but not *here*
    Herbie Lannock: reality must be what is now
    Herbie Lannock: what REALLY is
    Wol Euler: wb hard
    Hard Wiskee: thanks Wol
    Hard Wiskee: so what is the reality of sl?
    Hard Wiskee: is it shopping, dancing and romancing?
    Wol Euler: that we are people, just as real as meeting in any other world
    Herbie Lannock: yes the conversation
    Hard Wiskee: so its about the feeling of meeting people............do we all like meeting someone for the first time and the feeling that comes along with it ?
    Wol Euler: maybe. depends on the person, and on who s/he meets.
    Mickorod Renard: sometimes I make an effort if the person is an attractive babe,,but here on sl that doesnt matter
    Wol Euler throws a cushion at you.
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Hard Wiskee: i like acting like an adolesent
    Mickorod Renard: thats a good point too
    Hard Wiskee: we are like adolescents who need a space for relatively consequence free experimentation.
    Hard Wiskee: right?
    Hard Wiskee: we need to fall in and out of love with people and ideas.
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,and in rl there are social taboo's,,its interesting here in sl that there is so much conformity
    Hard Wiskee: yes............and sl is a rich ground for working through identity
    Mickorod Renard: when in groups like this at least
    Hard Wiskee: but has to remain with anonymity.... no identity clues left behind ...
    Hard Wiskee: that makes it taboo friendly
    Mickorod Renard: well, some of that anonymity has slipped here in this group,,but to most of us here we do not do outlandish things anyway
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Wol Euler: put that away, please.
    Mickorod Renard: is the conformity due to our conditioning?over time,,or is it a natural state we find best to get on with each other?
    Wol Euler: ty
    Mickorod Renard: ok,,gotta go guys
    Herbie Lannock: i think SL is complete unreal
    Wol Euler: bye mick, take care
    Mickorod Renard: c u around
    Herbie Lannock: bye bye
    arabella Ella: bye Mick
    Wol Euler: why is that, herbie?
    arabella Ella: i must go too nite all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care mick
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well you both
    Wol Euler: bye ara, take care
    Herbie Lannock: nite ara
    Hard Wiskee: we conform becacause it helps with a cooperative stradegy for more successful survival
    Herbie Lannock: SL is imagination
    Herbie Lannock: about who the ppl are that you meet
    Herbie Lannock: and imagination is not really real
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow
    Wol Euler: how is that different to meeting somebody in a bar in RL?
    Herbie Lannock: ^^
    Herbie Lannock: not really so different
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Herbie Lannock: but maybe more real since you can see the expression
    Herbie Lannock: of the body
    Wol Euler: sure, but my body is not my personality
    Herbie Lannock: SL is a limitation
    Herbie Lannock: thats true
    Hard Wiskee: it depends how talented you are with expression using words and prose
    Herbie Lannock: but your body shows your personality
    Herbie Lannock: maybe you blush ore whatever
    Wol Euler nods thoughtfully.
    Hard Wiskee: words are the currency here in sl
    Herbie Lannock: true
    Hard Wiskee: and with the right person the exchange of words can be powerful and foster a real connection in this virtual world
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Hard Wiskee: and romantic words are even better...smiles...they can make you go ouch due to their wit and tickle you with delight.
    Herbie Lannock: ok i have heard so
    Herbie Lannock: and experienced a bit
    Herbie Lannock: but still...
    Hard Wiskee: i want to taste the blush of your skin, absorb the heat with my lips and tongue.........if i was a gay avatar
    Herbie Lannock: well i am glad you are not
    Hard Wiskee: smiles
    Herbie Lannock: its like reading a book
    Wol Euler: except htat you don't know how it will end, and each time it's a differnet story
    Herbie Lannock: when you read the book the first time ....
    Herbie Lannock: i never read a book twice
    Wol Euler: oh, how sad :)
    Herbie Lannock: well some books i do
    Herbie Lannock: but not novels
    Hard Wiskee: what about movies?
    Herbie Lannock: i can watch them twice
    Hard Wiskee: watch them more than once?
    Herbie Lannock: np :9
    Herbie Lannock: :)
    Herbie Lannock: do i talk too much?
    Wol Euler: no
    Herbie Lannock: ^^
    Herbie Lannock: thx
    Wol Euler: unless *you* feel that you do, then yes :)
    Wol Euler: up to you :)
    Herbie Lannock: ok
    Herbie Lannock thin ks about that
    Hard Wiskee: internal dialouge count?
    Herbie Lannock: cant follow you
    Hard Wiskee: do you talt to yourself in your mind?
    Wol Euler: constantly :)
    Herbie Lannock: talk to myself?
    Herbie Lannock: hmmm
    Herbie Lannock: thoughts a ppear, yes
    Herbie Lannock: all the time
    Herbie Lannock: sometimes i talk to myself yes
    Hard Wiskee: do you see dead people too?
    Herbie Lannock: sometimes in my job yes
    Wol Euler: I sometimes remember my grandparents, or friends who died. Is that wht you mean?
    Hard Wiskee: no....but thats nice that you do........i guess you keep them alive in a way
    Hard Wiskee: they are not truely dead
    Herbie Lannock: thats a matter of definition
    Hard Wiskee: i suppose
    Herbie Lannock: so thx everybody for the chat i need to go
    Wol Euler: bye herbie take care
    Herbie Lannock bows
    Hard Wiskee: so what allows us these complex social interactions with unseen others.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: tace care
    Wol Euler: I should go too, actually. Goodnight, take care, be happy.
    Hard Wiskee: hello Yak
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey hard
    Hard Wiskee: so you just kinda listen, right?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: most of the time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i talked much more in the other sessions today
    Hard Wiskee: any cool topics?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nothing cool
    Yakuzza Lethecus: some blurry stuff
    Hard Wiskee: interesting?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: of course, but elements of politics are often emotions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: emotional
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like the crisis and the financial aid for greece :P
    Hard Wiskee: i see.........blurry stuff indeed......smiles
    Hard Wiskee: does this place ever get busy?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i hope never busy
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i need to rest
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s 0:30
    Hard Wiskee: to much noise makes for blurriness, right?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope we ,,drop" the busyness :)
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