2010.05.01 19:00 - Welcoming Lucinda

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: Hi Lucinda and Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Good evening!
    Lucinda Lavender: Good evening
    Pema Pera: Lucinda, glad to hear you have agreed to become a Play as Being guardian -- welcome to our happy little troupe!
    Lucinda Lavender: thank so much!
    Storm Nordwind is also very pleased :)
    Lucinda Lavender: it is exciting to meet so many minds...
    Pema Pera: yes, it's a delightful mix
    Storm Nordwind: Perhaps one day you might wish to jump in and have a guardian plot in the village too, like many of our colleagues. I can tell you about that some time, if you're interested
    Lucinda Lavender: an interesting idea...
    Storm Nordwind: But it comes with a 'health warning' - you may get addicted to building things (like Bleu recently did!)
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm
    Pema Pera: she became addicted to building and to community building through building projects, a very meta-builder!
    Lucinda Lavender: I will take that under advisement then:)
    Storm Nordwind: hehe!
    Pema Pera: have you had a chance to stroll through our village? It's due North of here.
    Lucinda Lavender: oh yes..
    Lucinda Lavender: I have wandered though many times
    Lucinda Lavender: making up stories perhaps about the intentions behind them
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: "stones that speak"
    Storm Nordwind: what a wonderfully creative musing :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Some seem playful and some spiritual.
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. Some artistically expressive and some social. And of course, many mixes of all these :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Lucinda quickly rises to the challenge.
    Lucinda Lavender: I was picturing making a wheel actually
    Storm Nordwind: Oh? :) Please say more!
    Lucinda Lavender: In the dream work I have done there is a color wheel for the directions
    Lucinda Lavender: It would be interesting to creat a wheel to look at I was thinking
    Storm Nordwind: Interesting. Would this be a large wheel one could sit in or walk through? Or something portable perhaps?
    Lucinda Lavender: well sitting on it would be nice I think...
    Lucinda Lavender: I like portable things tho.
    Lucinda Lavender: something to ponder...
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Lucinda Lavender: perhaps when I know more about the process it would make more sense one way or another.
    Pema Pera having somewhat mischievous images of treadmills, strolling from dream to dream, treading lightly . . .
    Lucinda Lavender: hee hee
    Storm Nordwind imagines a flying carpet made of such a wheel, and touching a color sends you to the rising sun or the setting moon...
    Lucinda Lavender: ah! yes. the picture I have is of a carpet one could rool out...It would have8 directions
    Lucinda Lavender: these directions would be different colors and might have note cards attached
    Lucinda Lavender: perhaps I could bring objects to place there...
    Storm Nordwind: We own nearly all of this sim. (each sim if 65536 square metres and we own all but 1024 sqm) We have 7 of those eight directions and we're close to the eighth. (Though the village hall takes the northerly spot) So yes... it could probably be done.
    Lucinda Lavender: So have you aquired it over time and what does this depend upon?
    Storm Nordwind grins at Pema :)
    Pema searching his memory banks . . . it did take a long time to acquire :-)
    Storm Nordwind: yes we acquired it bit by bit...
    Storm Nordwind: over the last two years...
    Storm Nordwind: though we had rather more in total once upon a time...
    Storm Nordwind: and we found that was an onerous burden to keep it up (in other sims) so we game most of it away
    Lucinda Lavender: I see
    Storm Nordwind: But we've manged to get most of this sim and the one immediately to the north
    Lucinda Lavender: HI Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda, Pema, Storm :)
    Pema Pera: Good evening Eliza!
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Eliza - my word, what a dress!
    Eliza Madrigal smiles, thanks!
    Storm Nordwind also admires the henna
    Lucinda Lavender: Is it a sari?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely!
    Eliza Madrigal: :) thanks... playing
    Storm Nordwind: It's fun to watch henna being applied like that in RL :)
    Eliza Madrigal: My daughter spent a few days last week, applying lemon juice to her arm to cause it to appear more clearly....
    Pema Pera enjoying th color coordination of Lucinda and Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: she'd attended an event at school, but I think they need some practice there. hah
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: starting tho...
    I went back to a old topic.
    Pema Pera: do you see SL as a possible kind of bridge to dreams, Lucinda? (we talked about that quite a while ago, but I don't quite remember where we left off then)
    Storm Nordwind must slip away quietly now. Good night all and dream well :))
    Lucinda Lavender: Yes
    Lucinda Lavender: good night
    Pema Pera: night Storm!
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, fast exit
    Pema Pera: indeed!
    Eliza Madrigal: (bye Storm - via the log)
    Lucinda Lavender: I seem to have brought alot of dream talk into PAB this last few days
    Pema Pera is a few days behind in reading chat logs
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, those talks have been very welcomed Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: for me the dreams have been a place of play and creative expression...and a spiritual practice
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm afraid I've bombarded you Lucinda, asking so many questions about your group...
    Eliza Madrigal: but it is quite interesting!
    Eliza Madrigal: And the idea of not owning dreams is something surprisingly profound
    Lucinda Lavender: I am happy to have the questions really because I like to look at how I answer them in a different group...
    Eliza Madrigal: Or at least it hit me that way :) So thank you
    Lucinda Lavender: your curiousity is appreciated
    Eliza Madrigal: :) thank Goodness, because it seems endless
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: I am curious about the science of things tho I am not a scientist
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema, we had two really nice sessions yesterday, about dreams mostly... even Wol up at 4AM (in last night's session)
    Pema Pera: wow!
    Pema Pera: looking forward to reading those
    Lucinda Lavender: the possibilty that dreams are about what is unfolding in the universe
    Eliza Madrigal: Being dreaming unfolding?
    Lucinda Lavender: The stories we create have characteryes
    Eliza Madrigal: brb, door bell... hm pretty late
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sorry about that
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd forgotten that my son was at a friend's house... terrible mom :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: I have more to say but make many starts and then delete...
    Pema Pera: I know the feeling, Lucinda!
    Eliza Madrigal deletes a lot!
    Lucinda Lavender: dreaming can be present in waking but the story we wake up with can have great possibility
    Lucinda Lavender: and it tells what the consciousness experiences in the void...
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, as a window into the day? Or?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Lucinda Lavender: for me it is often a window on the day...
    Eliza Madrigal: With all of our dreaming talk yesterday, I dreamt last night that I was watching myself, watching myself in a dream lab, dreaming myself... hehe
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: was there an SL element in it as well, perhaps?
    Lucinda Lavender: but waking up refreshed with an image can mean that that was done in the dream also.
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess because in a sense we sort of 'look in' on ourselves here
    Lucinda Lavender: If we were helping in the dream...we may have actually done that there...or at least it was a possibility
    Lucinda Lavender: yes there is the witnessing
    Lucinda Lavender: of self and others
    Eliza Madrigal: I don't recall much of an SL element, though yes characters met through SL :)
    Pema Pera: in a way, each day of our waking life we are busy living stories, our own and those of others, in some kind of rich tapestry . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: mm yes certainly... and I wonder how the timing of it looks when we back up... like when a dream from years before becomes meaningful 'now'... etc
    Pema Pera: yes, it's amazing how sometimes memories of dreams from years ago seem more vivid and "real" than memories from events from years ago
    Eliza Madrigal nods, indeed
    Lucinda Lavender: they can be pretty vivid!
    Pema Pera: or even childhood dreams
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you remember childhood dreams Pema?
    Haha, that's what I get for casual remarks :-)
    Pema Pera: there are a few, yes
    Lucinda Lavender: any favorites?
    Eliza Madrigal: wow, that seems so interesting to me... don't think I remember them at all
    Pema Pera: hmmmm, there is one that is strangely abstract
    Pema Pera: I think I was eight or so, or seven perhaps
    Pema Pera: all I remember is the end, very vividly
    Pema Pera: I start drawing or spinning or somehow producing a line, or thread
    Pema Pera: starting at the lower right corner of my field of vision
    Lucinda Lavender: I have just been hearing from a friend who always visits her grandparents house which was a peaceful place for her.
    Pema Pera: and my intention is to connect it with a point in the left upper corner
    Lucinda Lavender: yes?
    Pema Pera: and at first I manage to produce a line, diagonally, about halfway
    Pema Pera: but then it becomes increasingly difficult
    Pema Pera: like trying to push two magnets with the same polarity towards each other
    Pema Pera: and the line begins to meander more and more, giving me a hopeless sinking feeling
    Pema Pera: which went together with a very specific taste
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting!
    Pema Pera: as if biting into metal or something like that, hard to describe, but very recognizable
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Pema Pera: and about once every few years the taste returns
    Pema Pera: the whole dream strikes me as a kind of natural koan
    While telling the story, I was surprised at how vivid the memory still is, though probably by now mixed with memories of memories of . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: my goodness... at 8 and to remember that so clearly
    Lucinda Lavender: wonder if it could be related to food ingested...
    Pema Pera: an invitation/calling/challenge to connect the seemingly unconnectable . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: a metal taste?
    Pema Pera: because the taste comes up when focusing especially on that kind of bridging challenge
    Pema Pera: something like that, the best I can describe
    Pema Pera: somehow almost physically related to a sense in my teeth
    Lucinda Lavender: maybe there are chemical situations that develop in the body..and that the dream expresses it too.
    Pema Pera: like eathing rubarber, a bit like that
    Lucinda Lavender: umm
    Pema Pera: rubarb?
    Eliza Madrigal: something you've been working on for a long time
    Lucinda Lavender: very adidic?
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry, acidic
    Eliza Madrigal has only eaten rhubarb pie :)
    Pema Pera: I'm sure everything mental has physical counterparts in our body, but in this case I dout that the chemical component was the driver
    Lucinda Lavender: the fish oil my husband takes creates a similar effect
    Pema Pera: (ah, that's how you spell it :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) the Amish make an amazing rhubarb pie
    Pema Pera: sugar takes care of the teeth-eating feeling :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: perhaps you draw in your dreams...and design there?
    Rereading the log now, I realized I completely missed this question.  No, normally I don't and certainly not when I was young, as far as I remember at least.
    Eliza Madrigal: not at all metallic ... but its a wonderful dream Pema... and yes does seem like a koan
    Pema Pera: metallic in that when you bit on some metals, and have metal fillings, you feel a kind of current in your teeth
    Pema Pera: and when you eat rhubarb, as a pure vegetable, it can also "eat" your teeth
    Pema Pera: that's the correspondence :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
    Pema Pera: so perhaps something was eating me :-)
    Pema Pera: the challenge . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that 'you' couldn't connect the points ...
    Lucinda Lavender: and interrupting the work
    Eliza Madrigal: that would bug me too... hehe
    Pema Pera: or I was clinching my teeth too much, who knows, haha
    Pema Pera: great talking with you both!
    Pema Pera: sweet dreams :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: You too Pema! Night and pleasant dreams
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Since I left at this point, I'm leaving the rest of the log uncommented.
    Lucinda Lavender: thank you:) same for you...
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you remember childhood dreams as well, Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: only a few
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Paradise! :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya eliza lucinda .. :)
    Lucinda Lavender: one when I was about 12
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Paradise!
    Lucinda Lavender: In it I thought I was about to die!
    Eliza Madrigal: Eek
    Lucinda Lavender: I am describing a dream Paradise...
    Paradise Tennant: listens
    Lucinda Lavender: I created a story there where I dream knew that my arms would fall asleep.. 2 times and then I would die. It was like from the finger tips up.
    Eliza Madrigal: like a test?
    Lucinda Lavender: My mother in the dream was going to take me to a psychologist.
    Lucinda Lavender: well like a pattern
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Lucinda Lavender: So on the way to the appoint ment in the dream,
    Lucinda Lavender: I saw a puddle on the ground.
    Lucinda Lavender: it had ribbons of rainbow color in it.
    Lucinda Lavender: I thought or dream knew that this was what was left after we die.
    Eliza Madrigal: oh my... that's rather beautiful... though a very serious dream for a 12 yo
    Lucinda Lavender: I then awoke...and both of my arms were asleep in real life.
    Paradise Tennant: ouch !
    Paradise Tennant: spooky
    Lucinda Lavender: I was terrified
    Paradise Tennant: i bet
    Lucinda Lavender: but here the body was making up its story...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, like when it rains and you dream of water...
    Lucinda Lavender: and the dreamer made some interesting connection to a 'soul" kind of idea.
    Lucinda Lavender: That we have a part that is colorful and last after death is very interesting for a child dreaming.
    Paradise Tennant: dreams seem to be a direct tap to deep currents so to speak :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Eliza Madrigal: I like that phrasing, Paradise!
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: remember your dreams much Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: there is a poem by rumi where he talks of our soul being a river within us ..like a current of energy
    Paradise Tennant: no .. but when I do they are vivid
    Eliza Madrigal: (apologies for changing right here but interesting conversation and I've just been asked to attend a wedding)
    Paradise Tennant: wow
    Paradise Tennant: cool
    Eliza Madrigal: ah.... love Rumi
    Lucinda Lavender: love rumi too
    Eliza Madrigal: and yes ... streams ...
    Lucinda Lavender: is it a 2L wedding?
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay... let me stand and see how if look presentable :)
    Lucinda Lavender: must be...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Lucinda Lavender: wow beautiful!
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd never dress this flashy for a rl wedding
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Paradise Tennant: lovely eliza :)
    Lucinda Lavender: have a great time...
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you :) Nice talking to you both, sorry to rush away... never been to a 2l wedding actually
    Eliza Madrigal: :::waves::::
    Lucinda Lavender: waving too...
    Paradise Tennant: smiles have a great nite eilza
    Lucinda Lavender: this morning I dreamt of travelling up in to the highest part of a house..
    Paradise Tennant: you have studied dreams lucinda must be fascinating
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Paradise Tennant: what kind of information or insight do you find surfaces ...
    Lucinda Lavender: I get information about the people I love and and some kkkkkkkkkkkother things as well
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Paradise Tennant: wonders if it is just random or there is a pattern
    Lucinda Lavender: it often reflects things that will happen.
    Paradise Tennant: ahhh
    Paradise Tennant: deja vue
    Lucinda Lavender: randomess is part of it
    Lucinda Lavender: I tend to dream on certain themes
    Lucinda Lavender: do you?
    Paradise Tennant: i seldom do but have had a few repeating dreams
    Paradise Tennant: one was a nightmare .. dreamt I was being eaten ..could hear my bone crunching .. had that nightmare repeatedly when I was around 12 and then it went away in a few months
    Paradise Tennant: not terribly pleasant
    Paradise Tennant: being eaten must say !
    Paradise Tennant: really hurt
    Lucinda Lavender: aw!
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry...
    Paradise Tennant: smiles no worries
    Paradise Tennant: use to sail quite a bit and have dreams where I am sailing
    Paradise Tennant: always just a beautiful feeling
    Lucinda Lavender: that is such an exhilerating experience! certainly dreamy
    Paradise Tennant: smiles yes
    Paradise Tennant: so for you dreams have foretold what was to come
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: I am settled with it now tho
    Lucinda Lavender: it is comfirmation that we are all connected I guess.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles must be a bit alarming at times
    Lucinda Lavender: yes one was on 9/11
    Lucinda Lavender: the morning of...
    Paradise Tennant: yes was listening to a great talk by gil fronsdal ..today while cleaning he likened us to pumpkins
    Lucinda Lavender: ?
    Paradise Tennant: we just need to feel the vine on our heads to know we are all one plant
    Lucinda Lavender: he he!
    Lucinda Lavender: and when some are concentrating on something...we might just pick up on it...
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Paradise Tennant: you keep a journal a dream journal
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...tho I forgot to write in it today
    Paradise Tennant: must be like a trip diary ..only you do not have the air fare expense :)
    Lucinda Lavender: that is one way to see that things are hinted at in the future
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: I think we notice more that we realize as well
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. lots of information does make it to consciousness but is still there on some levels
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.audiodharma.org/talks-gil.html
    Paradise Tennant: i missed one of your sentences you dreamt about 9/11
    Lucinda Lavender: then if we are listening we can ponder it and realize that what is going on is developing a resonace of sorts
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks! for the link...
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: how did you find this place?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: was shopping for saris
    Paradise Tennant: smiles stumbled in
    Paradise Tennant: but a lovely ..interesting group of people
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: have you built things here?
    Paradise Tennant: i garden
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!
    Paradise Tennant: but that is more rezzing than building
    Lucinda Lavender: oh!
    Lucinda Lavender: could we walk to it from here?
    Paradise Tennant: I will tp you one sec
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    Originally written on 05:56, 03 May 2010
    ???The lead of the water region has but one taste??? (from The Secret of the Golden Flower, Wilhelm translation.) In my experience this may refer, or be similar, to the nabho mudra in meditation: touching your tongue to the roof of your mouth, either with the tongue tip, or folded back on itself -- it can produce a comparable taste.
    Posted 13:40, 5 May 2010
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