2010.05.02 07:00 - Sleeping though Playing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    Agatha joined me as I first had trouble with the autologger until I realized the problme was that I was not wearing my tag

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Great to see you back
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm. The autologger is not letting me cclaim the log
    Adams Rubble: Thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Has it got your email?
    Adams Rubble: keeps giving me a notecard
    Adams Rubble: yes unless it lost it
    Agatha Macbeth: Did anyone remove you from the database I wonder?
    Agatha Macbeth: After you left PaB for a while I mean?
    Adams Rubble: well it has it again :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
    Adams Rubble: hmm. doing the same thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Let me try
    Adams Rubble: hmmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it worked for me
    Adams Rubble: I never left PaB :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Shall I post the log to you later?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, yes, true!
    Agatha Macbeth: But you know what I mean :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Try again and see what happens...
    Adams Rubble: same thing
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't understand that
    Adams Rubble: yes, if you would send me the link afterwards, I would appreciate it
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok :)
    Agatha Macbeth: What a pain!
    Adams Rubble: Just a little glitch. I will IM the great magician, Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, she's bound to know :)
    Adams Rubble: It is a fickle autologger :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, the other night it was duplicating everones's lines except mine
    Adams Rubble: I saw that in the log
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Adams Rubble: I also am recording the chat on my computer but the autologger is a little more convenient
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes. Both work
    Agatha Macbeth: But the chat tends to have lotsa extraneous stuff mixed in
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha!
    Adams Rubble: did you see
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Good
    Adams Rubble: I put on my tag and it recognized me
    Agatha Macbeth: That must be it
    Agatha Macbeth: Tho I'm not wearing mine and it worked for me, strange...
    Adams Rubble: maybe it has a memory
    Adams Rubble: I haven't worn this outfit for a long time (giggles)
    Agatha Macbeth: More than I have! ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: It's very pretty
    Adams Rubble: thanks, yours too
    Thinking about what it means to play as Being
    Adams Rubble: Have you thought about Pema's challenge to us. I haven't read the last few logs to see if there has been discussion
    Agatha Macbeth: Remind me?
    Adams Rubble: to think about what it means to play as Being
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Agatha Macbeth: Well i thought we were supposed to be doing that all the time ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Agatha Macbeth: But then what do I know
    Adams Rubble: playing yes
    Adams Rubble: but what it means is deeper
    Agatha Macbeth: I tend to put more emphasis on 'playing' than 'being' it seems
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz! :))
    Eliza arrives and we continue with out topic
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams, Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow
    Agatha Macbeth: Quite a dress you have on there :)
    Eliza Madrigal smiles. Thanks :) I was invited to a wedding last night.... first thing I dug up... hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Adams Rubble: we were starting to talk about Pema's challenge to us
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, wonderful. I'll mostly listen, as I'm just waking :)
    Adams Rubble: I hope the wedding was nice. I couldn't stay awake that long
    Agatha Macbeth: In SL you mean?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Adams Rubble: I haven't read the latest logs to see if it has been discussed (playing as being that bis)
    Adams Rubble: is
    Adams Rubble: I have been thinking :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
    Adams Rubble: It really gets to the core of everything we do
    Adams Rubble: every moment, every action
    Adams Rubble: what are we playing?
    Adams Rubble: who are we (playing)
    Agatha Macbeth: And who are we being?
    Adams Rubble: it is a simple statement but really very deep
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes! What a question to ask ourselves
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: And do we understand the answer?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: we work at it Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
    Adams Rubble: play at it (giggles)
    Eliza Madrigal: :) moment to moment
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, we try...
    Adams Rubble: I am looking forward to this one :)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe the question can wake us up, just by showing us we're asleep :)
    Adams Rubble: yes Eliza!
    Adams Rubble: we sleep play :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bit 'Fourth Way'-ish you mean?
    Adams Rubble: Could you say more Agatha?
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, I suppose Agatha... yes, not going backwards... but not leaving backwards out
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Agatha Macbeth: I meant gurdjieff's Fourth way, which basically says we are all sleepwalking and need to wake up, to be more aware
    Agatha Macbeth: As I see it anyway
    Adams Rubble: yes, I think that seems to be the same
    Adams Rubble: we go along and get caught up in all the little things we think are important or real
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it's always the little things
    Adams Rubble: Hi Steve :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The ennui so to speak
    Steve is next and we continue with the meaning of playing as Being
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Adams
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: and Agetha
    Agatha Macbeth: Close :)
    Adams Rubble: we are discussing Pema's challenge to us to reflect on the meaning of playing as Being
    Adams Rubble: so far have thought about sleep walking through life
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, a topic worth of a session ofr a hundred
    Adams Rubble: sleep playing
    Agatha Macbeth: Sleep Being?
    stevenaia Michinaga: wouldn;t if be nice if we could put our good dreams to work playing for us, Playing for Being
    Agatha Macbeth: Sleeping dreams or waking dreams? ;-)
    Adams Rubble thinking about the playing FOR Being
    Adams Rubble: could you say more Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: isn't the idea to live,see, define Being through Play
    Adams Rubble: ahhh
    Eliza Madrigal: express Being perhaps...
    stevenaia Michinaga: our understanding comes though the act of playing
    Eliza Madrigal: ah
    Adams Rubble: kind of a two way exercise
    stevenaia Michinaga: YSBS
    Adams Rubble: understand Being so we can play as Being
    stevenaia Michinaga: or play as Being so we can Understand Being
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Being seems very social, to me....
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: actually the social part it to compare notes , why we are hear, the playing part is usually personal and internalized, like the 9/90 secs they are our own, to be shared with the group, which brings more toys to play with
    stevenaia Michinaga: *here
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps we chould consider our notes toys to play with, toys to share
    Adams Rubble: When I first began to reflect on Pema's statement, I immediately felt a change in the way I was looking at what I was doing. I felt a connection to larger things
    stevenaia Michinaga: may help define what we see
    Adams Rubble: yes Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... and to be really happy not to 'own' our toys necessarily... to enjoy everyone playing with them
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, that would fit nicely.. to fill a toybox
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: this somehow seems important to me lately... freeing the toys
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Toy Story
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: we are our own little elves of Being
    Adams Rubble: cataloging all the toys into a databse :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Adams Rubble: keeping us very busy
    Adams Rubble: but missing the fun
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And when the parents walk in we all stop
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... Well maybe we can encourage them to play, too
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Adams Rubble: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: then every April 1st, our anniversary, the little Being Claus comes buy and delivers the accumilated wealth and joy of the years work to our little group, I think I am getting off track here
    Eliza Madrigal: haahahha
    Agatha Macbeth: The Being clause?
    Adams Rubble: the new PaB mythology :)
    Eliza Madrigal: trackless track
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: In the contract, you mean?
    Adams Rubble: Is Being Claus Dutch?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Claus clause
    Agatha Macbeth: Sanity clause
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Everybody knows.....etc'
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    Agatha Macbeth loves the Marx bros
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: oh, me too
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps we should re-focus, I may have had to much coffee this morning
    Agatha Macbeth: (Especially Karl) ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Agatha Macbeth: (Must walk around, butt gone to sleep...)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, better
    Adams Rubble giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: Not very good at staying in place too long, too hyperactive
    Agatha Macbeth: *one
    Adams Rubble: I think we are finding thay playing as Being means something a little different to each of us :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably!
    Eliza Madrigal: Sharing notes :)
    Adams Rubble: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: hence the idea of "reflected upon" is more importantant than any way of defining what we have here
    Agatha Macbeth: But 'twould be surprising if we were all the same
    Adams Rubble: I still like the awakening analogy
    Adams Rubble: I think that is what it did for me when I first starting thinking about it
    Agatha Macbeth: Like waking from a long sleep, yes....
    Adams Rubble: could see I had been going along in a dream
    Agatha Macbeth: Coming out of hibernation
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes, not to be too matrix-y, it seems that noticing something 'off' is how we wake up...
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Liz
    Adams Rubble: How do we handle times when we are very busy and don;t think we have time to stop
    Eliza Madrigal: "Oh, I'm caught in a loop"
    Agatha Macbeth: Groundhog day
    Adams Rubble nods to Eliza and Agaatha
    Agatha Macbeth: My name is getting some interesting spellings today :)
    Eliza Madrigal thinks about all the layers and kinds of 'busy'
    Eliza Madrigal smiles at Agathella
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: It's a complex subject Liz
    Agatha Macbeth: :D
    Adams Rubble thinking about the many ways that Agatha could be mispronounced
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, yes, sorry I was in the kitchen
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to duck out early... have a few things to do before the guardian session. Nice to attend your session this morning Adams :))
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Eliza
    Adams Rubble: take care Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: C u in a bit Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now, C you in a bit
    Agatha Macbeth: So you are back in this slot permanently now Adams?
    Adams Rubble: for the time being :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah good :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: which session, Adams
    Agatha Macbeth: It's like you never left actually
    Adams Rubble: the 7 am Sunday
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, now
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Fael did a good job holding the fort in the interim
    Adams Rubble: yes, it was good of her
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that outfit Middle Eastern?
    Adams Rubble: it is Turkish
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Adams Rubble: suposedly :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Muslim world, anyway :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Will you be doing a dervish dance for us then?
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: Going back to Steve's comment about April 1, it is amazing how much has happened and how much has stayed the same in the two years
    Adams Rubble: My two years will be coming up in June
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I thought much the same, reading through the logs
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, what has struck you as the most changed?
    Adams Rubble: me
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Adams Rubble: and of course the pavilion instead of the teahouse
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: true in a sence of place
    Adams Rubble: old friends gone, new ones here now and many old firends still here
    Agatha Macbeth: I've een the teahouse, it certainly wasn't very big
    Agatha Macbeth: seen
    stevenaia Michinaga: as things expanded, we went outside
    Adams Rubble: yes, Agatha, it was intimate. We often met outside. Dakini had p[ut up benched
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: then to Dakini's pavillion
    Adams Rubble: My first meeting weas outside
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish I'd been here then
    Adams Rubble: The sessions were much the same :)
    Adams Rubble: this is a good location for us
    Adams Rubble: it is very pretty
    Agatha Macbeth: Is Dakini still involved with PaB?
    stevenaia Michinaga: having a shrinking or xpandable place is helpful too
    Adams Rubble: she is still a guardian
    Agatha Macbeth: I have never met her, sadly
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Adams Rubble: ohhhhhhh :(
    Adams Rubble: this gives the feel of the teahouse
    Adams Rubble: we were sitting on top of each other (giggles)
    Agatha Macbeth doesn't like the red cushions much
    Agatha Macbeth: Better!
    Adams Rubble: It is almost time for the guardian meeting
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm yes, more intimate like this...
    stevenaia Michinaga: "/9 help" gives instuctions to Storms cleverness
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Agatha Macbeth: To the village hall then?
    stevenaia Michinaga: see you there

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