2010.05.05 07:00 - Weaving Dreams and Stories

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Gaya Ethaniel. The comments are by Gaya Ethaniel.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Lucinda :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Gaya!
    Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Gaya, Lucinda :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza, thanks :) If the meeting finishes early I will drop by again.
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay great Gaya, nice to see you :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I've claimed the log. Bye for now.
    Lucinda Lavender: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda, Good Morning! :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: I've just had a remarkable time, pulling together my scribe for the end of April
    Lucinda Lavender: what is a scribe?
    Eliza Madrigal: mostly due to dream and story weaving discussions it seems...
    Lucinda Lavender: tell more?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's right :) I will be sending a link to the group, with April's scribes... but for now, here is the one I worked on this morning:
    Eliza Madrigal: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Scribe...ce_the_Weaving
    Lucinda Lavender: I will read for a moment...
    Eliza Madrigal: Basically guardians volunteer to read three days of chat logs, and to write about them or highlight what they find to be jewels/themes, etc :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sure
    Lucinda Lavender: nice...
    Sartre Placebo: hey you both
    Eliza Madrigal: I enjoy it a lot, truth be told, but I like working with mosaics and collages in general, etc
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sartre! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: What an interesting av name :) Welcome
    Sartre Placebo: sry, yaku here, nobody new :(
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Eliza Madrigal: Yaku in a hat :)
    Sartre Placebo: no shrinked alices
    Eliza Madrigal: And please don't apologize... we're quite fond of our yaku :)
    Sartre Placebo blushes
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: I was sharing my scribe with Lucinda this morning... had an interesting time pulling it together
    Eliza Madrigal: felt like it was already 'finished' for me, in a way :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So why "Satre" Ya?
    Eliza Madrigal: *Sartre
    Sartre Placebo: reflection is doing a session right now
    Sartre Placebo: so i follow his session as well, sadly there ain´t to many ppl there and i just want to read
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, really? Is it about Sartre?
    Lucinda Lavender: hmmm interesting.
    Sartre Placebo: but it´s the only session he did in a while reachable for me since it´s not during the night
    Eliza Madrigal: Can you see the pattern Lucinda? The way it was all just there... one thing flowing to another?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Sartre Placebo: relfection freenode is a psychologist with event´s in open habitat and thothica
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: He came to PaB one night a few weeks ago, and gave me links to illusions...
    Eliza Madrigal: it was a great site. Hope I saved it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: allusions to illusions
    Sartre Placebo: nice :)
    Sartre Placebo: right now he´s talking about popuplar psych terms like ,,inner child" and ,,inner parent"
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you guys think we have an 'inner child/inner parent" dynamic going on?
    Eliza Madrigal: those terms seem frozen to me somehow...
    Sartre Placebo: i am still elaborating on the definition :)
    Lucinda Lavender: not sure tho it feels that way sometimes..
    Eliza Madrigal: I would imagine that for Lucinda and I the definitions are quite fluid, as we are in parent/teacher mode a lot, and with children, flipping back and forth from perspectives at various angles and levels

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: like, when I'm with my son, he can evoke from me the 11 yo little child...
    Eliza Madrigal: though an 11yo interested in 'heaven time' and in space, and who thinks the word 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is the coolest thing ever
    Lucinda Lavender: yes!:)
    Lucinda Lavender: the different goals we have at varying ages...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, and some people have ideas at 11 which they muse with and go on to realize at 60!
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: like a resonance of a harmonic.
    Eliza Madrigal: hummm
    Lucinda Lavender: Coming here is like that for me...
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's lovely...
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you 'remember something' here?
    Lucinda Lavender: college...a program called On Knowing.
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Lucinda Lavender: I was drawn to studying these sorts of philospical question. Because I kept having to drop stuff and wake up to being I guess.
    Eliza Madrigal: ! I like how you say "i kept having to'... like an imperative that kept coming up
    Lucinda Lavender: well maybe I mean that stepping back
    Eliza Madrigal: I've defnitely felt that way at times... that I might as well notice what I was being shown
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: stepping back?
    Lucinda Lavender: and for a new point of view
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah :)
    Lucinda Lavender: the experience of feeling aware maybe
    Lucinda Lavender: in new situations
    Eliza Madrigal: MMM
    Eliza Madrigal: seeing through all the eyes available
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: you know, the more you share, the more I'm convinced that you would enjoy the _Time, Space, Knowledge_ book.
    Lucinda Lavender: Who it?
    Lucinda Lavender: wrote...
    Eliza Madrigal: Not a light undertaking, but well worth the trouble :)
    Sartre Placebo: tartang tulku, steven tainer
    Eliza Madrigal: It is the book which inspired Pema to start Play as Being :)
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds important

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: I think of it as a kind of sub-text to our explorations, if that makes sense... but of course not necessary to read it really.
    Eliza Madrigal: The way that you are able to talk about perspective and views, perhaps from the dream work, just makes me think you may relate to it well
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Are there books which have been particularly meaningful in your life?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yaku too... would love to hear!
    Lucinda Lavender: we had a discussion yesterday that centered around point of view
    Sartre Placebo: oh, i don´t really read even TSK is still something that makes me stuck
    Sartre Placebo: right now i only try to read what feels right somehow and doesn´t make fun particularly
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sartre Placebo: like some suggestions by bleu and other ppl i ask what they read
    Sartre Placebo: introduction to phenomenology, four phenomenological philosophers, the ego tunnel...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, all really interesting :)))
    Sartre Placebo: but i start and stop and elaborate on single words
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess I was wondering about hm, _The_ books in our lives... the ones that come for us! hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: Sartre...I am intrigued by the title the ego tunnel
    Sartre Placebo: by thomas metzinger
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks...
    Lucinda Lavender: Only just figured out that you are in a new suit!
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Lucinda, a session about point of view yesterday?
    Lucinda Lavender: at 7:00 with Riddle...
    Eliza Madrigal: Riddle is so refreshing... would like to make it to more of the Tuesday morning sessions
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: I liked that in one session of his he described celebrating a holiday with family, and the traditions which are echos of thousands of years....
    Lucinda Lavender: are there any that struck you?
    Eliza Madrigal: we appear and disappear, as beings, but there is that resonance you mentioned...
    Eliza Madrigal: traditions, Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, well I've always loved the concept of Shabbat... observed it for a while actually...
    Lucinda Lavender: ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: and I had a dear mentor/Friend who would, once a year, ask forgiveness of everyone... for things she may have known AND for things not known...
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely...
    Eliza Madrigal: there seems a real beauty in that ... whether one is 'religious' or not
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: I participated in Shabbat at a dream retreat once.
    Lucinda Lavender: I remember the specail washing of hands before the meal...
    Lucinda Lavender: pouring of water I think.
    Eliza Madrigal: each act means something... is a view

    --BELL--

    Eliza Madrigal: an acknowledgement ...humility
    Lucinda Lavender: I dreamed about it after as well..
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh?
    Lucinda Lavender: repeated the experience in the dream I think, it must have had a meaning for me.
    Eliza Madrigal: What was your sense about that meaning?
    Lucinda Lavender: Also in the dream there was knowing we need to fly United...to such gatherings:)
    Eliza Madrigal: United!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal loves the humor of dreams
    Lucinda Lavender: the honoring of the water and its use?
    Lucinda Lavender: purification?
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: that makes elegant sense
    Lucinda Lavender: well, I must go...I had an idea to write an opera about my school..and my boss has just texted me to keep thinking about it.
    Eliza Madrigal: How excellent!!
    Lucinda Lavender: laughing here...
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd love to hear more about that, too.... and about your working with music in general/in dreams :)
    Eliza Madrigal: laughing? :))
    Lucinda Lavender: we'll see...i get these ideas...
    Lucinda Lavender: not sure I have a full understanding when they ocurr to me.
    Eliza Madrigal: like children :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: I sing much of the day
    Lucinda Lavender: anyway, have a great day!
    Eliza Madrigal: You too! :) I look forward to seeing you again Lucinda
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks , take care Satrtre, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Then there were two... and two hats... and two serious expressions, gazing into a pool....
    Sartre Placebo: bye luci
    Sartre Placebo: ref´s session also ended
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, what did they decide about inner children?
    Sartre Placebo: oh it was just one of many things mentioned there
    Sartre Placebo: how illnesses are developed and alike
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting link
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm, better go. Gaya has the log and its strange not to be already thinking of titles! hehehe
    Sartre Placebo: i try to just be around on such meetings
    Eliza Madrigal: that's nice of you :)
    Sartre Placebo: gaya has the log ?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, she's taking Wednesdays morning session now, but on kira team meeting days,
    Eliza Madrigal: I'll still host :)
    Sartre Placebo: ah
    Sartre Placebo: gaya is part of kira team ? didn´t know that
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, as she hosts the film group as a workshop :)
    Sartre Placebo: yes, mis en cine

    --BELL--

    Sartre Placebo: i´ve also been around there a few tims
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: So when one hosts a workshop, then part of the kira team meetings
    Eliza Madrigal: this week there was a talk about the ways of knowing workshop too :)
    Sartre Placebo: will stim rejoin ? :)
    Sartre Placebo: you had 5 days to persue :D
    Eliza Madrigal: No, I don't think so
    Eliza Madrigal: He's quite busy with projects these day
    Eliza Madrigal: He's given us quite a bit to work with though, with the transcripts from the first sessions
    Eliza Madrigal: Better go, Ya! :) Nice to see you today
    Sartre Placebo: take care eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now, You too! :)

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