2010.05.07 01:00 - Orange is the new black

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session.


    Wol Euler: hello darren
    Darren Islar: yep
    Darren Islar: hi Wol
    Wol Euler: excuse me for a moment, I just got out of bed. I need to get the coffee on.
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Wol Euler: back


    Alts and timesharing. 

    Wol Euler: so, Darren, how's life?
    Darren Islar: uh
    Darren Islar: all right I guess
    Darren Islar: Liza claiming the biggest part now
    Wol Euler grins
    Wol Euler: sibling rivalry, isn't it great?
    Darren Islar: hmm not much rivalry, most of the times she gets what she wants


    Difficulties in SL. 

    Wol Euler: I'm sorry I missed her meditation workshop last night
    Darren Islar: oh that's okay, from what I have heard, there wasn't much to miss
    Wol Euler: awwww
    Darren Islar: too much problems with the voice
    Wol Euler: there was a server upgrade yesterday, that always breaks some random aspect of SL
    Darren Islar: hmmm, didn't know that
    Darren Islar: but you expect some problems
    Darren Islar: but there is an end to it I guess
    Darren Islar: Too much crashes going on
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: it really does seem to take two or three days after the upgrade before the servers all talk to each other properly
    Darren Islar: If you want to promote sl, I'm afraid they need to step up
    Wol Euler grins. I feel the same way about the weather in RL sometimes :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: I know it is part of it
    Darren Islar: And Liza was pretty cool about it, but still
    Darren Islar: but it seems to get worse somehow
    Wol Euler: oh, I disagree entirely
    Darren Islar: I have a feeling they are doing a lot of upgrades at the moment
    Wol Euler: when I started, region crashes were daily events
    Darren Islar: Yes, I know, the old days........;-)
    Wol Euler: you could crash a region just by getting a dozen avatars to stand on it


    Darren Islar: but when I came on it seemed to be better
    Darren Islar: but it is actually not very interesting :-)
    Wol Euler: true :)
    Wol Euler: well, I have high hopes that the next sessions will be wonderful, and that I will be there
    Darren Islar: :-)


    Work and (in)decisiveness. 

    Darren Islar: did you get some work done for the competition?
    Darren Islar: or still struggling?
    Wol Euler: oh yes. Until after 1am
    Wol Euler: I'd have to call it "still struggling", we haven't yet got the plans finalized
    Wol Euler: indecisiveness is a curse, especially in bosses
    Darren Islar: oh yes :-)
    Wol Euler: you know, sometimes it is better to take *any* decision, but take it *now*, than to spend ages searching for the perfect solution
    Darren Islar: right
    Wol Euler: at least in my experience and opinion
    Wol Euler: can't convince them of that
    Wol Euler: anyway, I don't wish to bitch about work
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: well it means that it takes more time for you
    Wol Euler: yes
    Wol Euler: changing and re-changing
    Darren Islar: and that is at least irritating
    Wol Euler: oh yes :)
    Wol Euler wonders what there is to eat...
    Darren Islar: said a very indecisive person :-)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: well, knowing your weakness is a step towards dealing with it
    Wol Euler: but if you won't admit that your behaviour is a weakness, then ...
    Darren Islar: I wouldn't call it like that
    Darren Islar: I just don't prefer to be your boss or anyone's
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: it's not a role that I enjoy either
    Wol Euler: it takes an ego larger and hungrier than mine to enjoy being a boss
    Darren Islar: no and not for people who are undecisive
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: but I don't like working under pressure, like to go with the process
    Darren Islar: and processes have there own timing


    Calvino and Roger join us. 

    Wol Euler: hello calvino
    Darren Islar: In a place like where you work, that is not possible
    Darren Islar: hi Cal
    Wol Euler: very true
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello
    Darren Islar: so you need people like you
    Roger Ormenthal: Hello
    Wol Euler: hello roger
    Darren Islar: hi Roger
    Wol Euler: have you been here before?
    Roger Ormenthal: y
    Wol Euler: k
    Darren Islar: brb, need another coffee :-)
    Wol Euler: :)


    I mention Calvino's robes. 

    Wol Euler: so, calvino, your orangeness becomes you.
    Calvino Rabeni: The outfit is comfortable, if monochromatic
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: there's a famous portrait of Shakespeare in 3/4 view, in which he's wearing a little simple ear-ring
    Wol Euler: we should get you one of those. It would set off your face and hte shape of your head perfectly. IMHO
    Calvino Rabeni: Perfectamente
    Wol Euler: that too :)
    Wol Euler: there used to be a great shop for piercings called PSM, Punk Store Möller, but it seems to have closed or seriously downsized
    Darren Islar: back
    Calvino Rabeni: Tarmel has one I somewhat covet
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Wol Euler: perhaps we can all go shopping :)
    Darren Islar: :-)


    Silence in chat while Calvino and I exchange IMs about the autologging system. 

    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni whispers to Wol of mundane topics with no spiritual or historic import
    Wol Euler grins. It's true.
    Wol Euler: so, cal, speak to us of your spiritual experiences in one of the homes of buddhism.
    Wol Euler: if you please.
    Wol Euler: or not, if not.
    Wol Euler: I infer that your orangeness is related to this?
    Darren Islar: you make a remark Cal and you immediately need to step up :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the orangeness rubbed off on this western pilgrim
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Calvino Rabeni: I assume it will fade with time
    Darren Islar: why orange?
    Calvino Rabeni: The orange seems to be the typical color of the robes there
    Darren Islar: okay


    Colour in and out of fashion. 

    Wol Euler: "orange is the new black" they tell us. At least it used to be, maybe six years ago.
    Calvino Rabeni: as I observed in the temples, except for the nuns, who wore white
    Darren Islar: the new black?


    Calvino Rabeni: Can we determine, when black was actually new?
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: And where?
    Wol Euler: the Victorians in England; the Dutch burghers a few centuries before that, the people that Hals painted
    Calvino Rabeni: Outside funerals, that is...
    Darren Islar: but why the new black?
    Wol Euler: thte common ground is perhaps an inner Calvinism, denial of the body/bodily
    Darren Islar: I don't understand that expression
    Wol Euler: well, black is/was the colour of intelligent fashion
    Wol Euler: if you are young and cool, you wear black (so they say)
    Wol Euler: people were pushing for orange to replace black as the cool colour
    Darren Islar: okay
    Darren Islar is looking at Wol
    Darren Islar: didn't work I guess
    Wol Euler grins.
    Wol Euler: well, I am neither young nor cool, so I can do what I want
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Wol Euler: which perhaps only means that I am attached to the version of cool that was current when I was young
    Darren Islar: hmmm, yes we bring that along when we age
    Calvino Rabeni: When We Were Very Young (And Cool)
    Wol Euler: heeheehee
    Calvino Rabeni: (new book title)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: and find ourselves becoming cool again, when retro kicked in
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: I see somebody left
    Wol Euler: roger couldn't take the pace


    Calvino shares a few photos from his trip to Thailand. 

    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed this buddhist icon http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Wol Euler laughs.
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps the man was under a spell of productivity
    Wol Euler: I think we call that adapting to the local environment
    Darren Islar: :-)))))
    Calvino Rabeni: Some corporations are very adaptive - some incapable of it
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Wol Euler: interesting that they provide a hammer to ring hte bell to wake the gods
    Darren Islar: okay orange
    Darren Islar: bleeked in the sun
    Wol Euler: whereas in most waking traditions, waking a god is followed immediately by a bolt of lightning
    Wol Euler: *waking = western. Wow. Do I need more sleep?
    Darren Islar: :-)


    Work again, alas. 

    Darren Islar: are you going to have a day as busy as yesterday Wol?
    Wol Euler notices the shape of a paperback book tucked into the second man's robe :)
    Wol Euler: yes, darren, and saturday and sunday too
    Calvino Rabeni: Also firecrackers are used for the same purpose
    Wol Euler: I'll have to leave in a few minutes
    Darren Islar: can your body keep up?
    Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Calvino Rabeni: And I espied the above young guys laughing it up, after a truly arduous climb
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Wol Euler: darren, I'm doing fairly well. And the end is in sight, the competition *will* be handed in on MOnday at 7:30pm
    Calvino Rabeni: Their location : http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Wol Euler: so at 7:31pm, I am done.
    Calvino Rabeni: Look for the thing at the top
    Darren Islar: :-) okay
    Wol Euler: oh wow.
    Wol Euler: I believe you when you call that "arduous"
    Calvino Rabeni: I used to like the "big push" project organization in some workplaces
    Wol Euler sighs. I must go.
    Wol Euler: enjoy the day, or night. Take care, be happy, be orange.
    Calvino Rabeni: Except later someone decided - let's be this productive all the time :)
    Darren Islar: bye Wol
    Darren Islar: take care
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Wol, take care :)
    Darren Islar: yes


    I leave, Darren and Calvino continue to discuss the photos. 

    Darren Islar: well Wol seems to be going from one project to another
    Darren Islar: today that seems to be normal
    Darren Islar: you had a picture of a monkey?
    Darren Islar: but it didn't show up in the link anymore
    Darren Islar: beware of the monkey
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure - they links might go stale? I could fix them.
    Calvino Rabeni: I'll see about "beware of the monkey"...
    Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Darren Islar: when I read something like that connecting it with buddhism, I think of our thoughts jumping up and down like a monkey
    Darren Islar: thanks :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: My impression is, the monkeys look somewhat human, and they imitate us, but do not know the real meaning of things
    Darren Islar: hmmm, nice impression :-)
    Darren Islar: like we try to be Gods
    Calvino Rabeni: If none of the bells do the trick, ... there's always the GONG: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
    Darren Islar: I'm going Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Be well, Darren
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: thanks, you too
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care
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