Page last modified 09:14, 20 May 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Wol Euler: hello darren

Darren Islar: yep

Darren Islar: hi Wol

Wol Euler: excuse me for a moment, I just got out of bed. I need to get the coffee on.

Darren Islar: :-)

Wol Euler: back

Alts and timesharing.

Wol Euler: so, Darren, how's life?

Darren Islar: uh

Darren Islar: all right I guess

Darren Islar: Liza claiming the biggest part now

Wol Euler grins

Wol Euler: sibling rivalry, isn't it great?

Darren Islar: hmm not much rivalry, most of the times she gets what she wants

Difficulties in SL.

Wol Euler: I'm sorry I missed her meditation workshop last night

Darren Islar: oh that's okay, from what I have heard, there wasn't much to miss

Wol Euler: awwww

Darren Islar: too much problems with the voice

Wol Euler: there was a server upgrade yesterday, that always breaks some random aspect of SL

Darren Islar: hmmm, didn't know that

Darren Islar: but you expect some problems

Darren Islar: but there is an end to it I guess

Darren Islar: Too much crashes going on

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: it really does seem to take two or three days after the upgrade before the servers all talk to each other properly

Darren Islar: If you want to promote sl, I'm afraid they need to step up

Wol Euler grins. I feel the same way about the weather in RL sometimes :)

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: I know it is part of it

Darren Islar: And Liza was pretty cool about it, but still

Darren Islar: but it seems to get worse somehow

Wol Euler: oh, I disagree entirely

Darren Islar: I have a feeling they are doing a lot of upgrades at the moment

Wol Euler: when I started, region crashes were daily events

Darren Islar: Yes, I know, the old days........;-)

Wol Euler: you could crash a region just by getting a dozen avatars to stand on it

--BELL--

Darren Islar: but when I came on it seemed to be better

Darren Islar: but it is actually not very interesting :-)

Wol Euler: true :)

Wol Euler: well, I have high hopes that the next sessions will be wonderful, and that I will be there

Darren Islar: :-)

Work and (in)decisiveness.

Darren Islar: did you get some work done for the competition?

Darren Islar: or still struggling?

Wol Euler: oh yes. Until after 1am

Wol Euler: I'd have to call it "still struggling", we haven't yet got the plans finalized

Wol Euler: indecisiveness is a curse, especially in bosses

Darren Islar: oh yes :-)

Wol Euler: you know, sometimes it is better to take *any* decision, but take it *now*, than to spend ages searching for the perfect solution

Darren Islar: right

Wol Euler: at least in my experience and opinion

Wol Euler: can't convince them of that

Wol Euler: anyway, I don't wish to bitch about work

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: well it means that it takes more time for you

Wol Euler: yes

Wol Euler: changing and re-changing

Darren Islar: and that is at least irritating

Wol Euler: oh yes :)

Wol Euler wonders what there is to eat...

Darren Islar: said a very indecisive person :-)

Wol Euler: heheheh

Wol Euler: well, knowing your weakness is a step towards dealing with it

Wol Euler: but if you won't admit that your behaviour is a weakness, then ...

Darren Islar: I wouldn't call it like that

Darren Islar: I just don't prefer to be your boss or anyone's

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: it's not a role that I enjoy either

Wol Euler: it takes an ego larger and hungrier than mine to enjoy being a boss

Darren Islar: no and not for people who are undecisive

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: but I don't like working under pressure, like to go with the process

Darren Islar: and processes have there own timing

Calvino and Roger join us.

Wol Euler: hello calvino

Darren Islar: In a place like where you work, that is not possible

Darren Islar: hi Cal

Wol Euler: very true

Calvino Rabeni: Hello

Darren Islar: so you need people like you

Roger Ormenthal: Hello

Wol Euler: hello roger

Darren Islar: hi Roger

Wol Euler: have you been here before?

Roger Ormenthal: y

Wol Euler: k

Darren Islar: brb, need another coffee :-)

Wol Euler: :)

I mention Calvino's robes.

Wol Euler: so, calvino, your orangeness becomes you.

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: The outfit is comfortable, if monochromatic

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: there's a famous portrait of Shakespeare in 3/4 view, in which he's wearing a little simple ear-ring

Wol Euler: we should get you one of those. It would set off your face and hte shape of your head perfectly. IMHO

Calvino Rabeni: Perfectamente

Wol Euler: that too :)

Wol Euler: there used to be a great shop for piercings called PSM, Punk Store Möller, but it seems to have closed or seriously downsized

Darren Islar: back

Calvino Rabeni: Tarmel has one I somewhat covet

Wol Euler: ah :)

Wol Euler: perhaps we can all go shopping :)

Darren Islar: :-)

Silence in chat while Calvino and I exchange IMs about the autologging system.

Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni whispers to Wol of mundane topics with no spiritual or historic import

Wol Euler grins. It's true.

Wol Euler: so, cal, speak to us of your spiritual experiences in one of the homes of buddhism.

Wol Euler: if you please.

Wol Euler: or not, if not.

Wol Euler: I infer that your orangeness is related to this?

Darren Islar: you make a remark Cal and you immediately need to step up :-)

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the orangeness rubbed off on this western pilgrim

Wol Euler smiles.

Calvino Rabeni: I assume it will fade with time

Darren Islar: why orange?

Calvino Rabeni: The orange seems to be the typical color of the robes there

Darren Islar: okay

Colour in and out of fashion.

Wol Euler: "orange is the new black" they tell us. At least it used to be, maybe six years ago.

Calvino Rabeni: as I observed in the temples, except for the nuns, who wore white

Darren Islar: the new black?

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: Can we determine, when black was actually new?

Darren Islar: :-)

Calvino Rabeni: And where?

Wol Euler: the Victorians in England; the Dutch burghers a few centuries before that, the people that Hals painted

Calvino Rabeni: Outside funerals, that is...

Darren Islar: but why the new black?

Wol Euler: thte common ground is perhaps an inner Calvinism, denial of the body/bodily

Darren Islar: I don't understand that expression

Wol Euler: well, black is/was the colour of intelligent fashion

Wol Euler: if you are young and cool, you wear black (so they say)

Wol Euler: people were pushing for orange to replace black as the cool colour

Darren Islar: okay

Darren Islar is looking at Wol

Darren Islar: didn't work I guess

Wol Euler grins.

Wol Euler: well, I am neither young nor cool, so I can do what I want

Darren Islar: :-)

Wol Euler: which perhaps only means that I am attached to the version of cool that was current when I was young

Darren Islar: hmmm, yes we bring that along when we age

Calvino Rabeni: When We Were Very Young (And Cool)

Wol Euler: heeheehee

Calvino Rabeni: (new book title)

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: and find ourselves becoming cool again, when retro kicked in

Wol Euler: :)

Darren Islar: I see somebody left

Wol Euler: roger couldn't take the pace

Calvino shares a few photos from his trip to Thailand.

Calvino Rabeni: I noticed this buddhist icon http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Darren Islar: :-)

Wol Euler laughs.

Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps the man was under a spell of productivity

Wol Euler: I think we call that adapting to the local environment

Darren Islar: :-)))))

Calvino Rabeni: Some corporations are very adaptive - some incapable of it

Darren Islar: :-)

Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Wol Euler: interesting that they provide a hammer to ring hte bell to wake the gods

Darren Islar: okay orange

Darren Islar: bleeked in the sun

Wol Euler: whereas in most waking traditions, waking a god is followed immediately by a bolt of lightning

Wol Euler: *waking = western. Wow. Do I need more sleep?

Darren Islar: :-)

Work again, alas.

Darren Islar: are you going to have a day as busy as yesterday Wol?

Wol Euler notices the shape of a paperback book tucked into the second man's robe :)

Wol Euler: yes, darren, and saturday and sunday too

Calvino Rabeni: Also firecrackers are used for the same purpose

Wol Euler: I'll have to leave in a few minutes

Darren Islar: can your body keep up?

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Calvino Rabeni: And I espied the above young guys laughing it up, after a truly arduous climb

Wol Euler smiles.

Wol Euler: darren, I'm doing fairly well. And the end is in sight, the competition *will* be handed in on MOnday at 7:30pm

Calvino Rabeni: Their location : http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Wol Euler: so at 7:31pm, I am done.

Calvino Rabeni: Look for the thing at the top

Darren Islar: :-) okay

Wol Euler: oh wow.

Wol Euler: I believe you when you call that "arduous"

Calvino Rabeni: I used to like the "big push" project organization in some workplaces

Wol Euler sighs. I must go.

Wol Euler: enjoy the day, or night. Take care, be happy, be orange.

Calvino Rabeni: Except later someone decided - let's be this productive all the time :)

Darren Islar: bye Wol

Darren Islar: take care

Calvino Rabeni: Bye Wol, take care :)

Darren Islar: yes

I leave, Darren and Calvino continue to discuss the photos.

Darren Islar: well Wol seems to be going from one project to another

Darren Islar: today that seems to be normal

Darren Islar: you had a picture of a monkey?

Darren Islar: but it didn't show up in the link anymore

Darren Islar: beware of the monkey

Calvino Rabeni: Not sure - they links might go stale? I could fix them.

Calvino Rabeni: I'll see about "beware of the monkey"...

Calvino Rabeni: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Darren Islar: when I read something like that connecting it with buddhism, I think of our thoughts jumping up and down like a monkey

Darren Islar: thanks :-)

Calvino Rabeni: My impression is, the monkeys look somewhat human, and they imitate us, but do not know the real meaning of things

--BELL--

Darren Islar: hmmm, nice impression :-)

Darren Islar: like we try to be Gods

Calvino Rabeni: If none of the bells do the trick, ... there's always the GONG: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Darren Islar: I'm going Cal

Calvino Rabeni: Be well, Darren

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: thanks, you too

Calvino Rabeni: Take care

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