2010.05.09 19:00 - Where does practice "come from"?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. Edited by Calvino Rabeni.
    I liked this session, which sort of rubbed shoulders with a number of interesting topics of identity and practice.

    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Mitzi!
    Calvino Rabeni: The weird event of the day was that my computer mouse exploded
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Wow! How explosive was the explosion?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not bad, it went "Bang!" and the battery cover flew away
    Calvino Rabeni: Then the batteries were completely dead
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Do you find any cosmic significance in the event?
    Calvino Rabeni: No, not omen material
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: DId you have a backup mouse, then?
    Calvino Rabeni: Just one of those "thought I knew all the possibilities but was wrong" moments
    Calvino Rabeni: No spare, have to use the pad on the laptop, meaning, go over there whenever something needs changing
    Calvino Rabeni: A sudden lightning storm booted me from SL about the same time
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmmm
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes, the pad. kind of unsatisfactory
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds related to me!
    Calvino Rabeni: Still short of "cosmic" though? :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Not unusual enough? What *would* make one think a coincidence or unusual occurrence to have unusual significance?
    Calvino Rabeni: Your wish is my command, as they say...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: oh really?
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps omens come in threes?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, kind of really :)
    Calvino Rabeni: So what's in the air, or the aether?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well I finished my course ... not sure I want to talk about all this here but I want to talk to you about it ... let me think of an appropriate aspect
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Yes "
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I see you are a "cultivator" ... of consciousness I believe. ?
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a group label for playasbeing
    Calvino Rabeni: I think they meant, something PaB guardians do
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: So the metaphor of gardening has been on my mind ... I didn't realize that ... very nice though
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: How the simple actions and how we do them each day carve their groove in our psyche
    Calvino Rabeni: Gardening provides a rich ground of metaphor, yes?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... as in neural networks ... each state provides the stage for the next to evolve from ... watching that ... planting seeds in terms of actions and focus that have effects on the next state, and so on ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe metaphors need to be preserved, like languages that are fading away
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm inspired actually ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Tell me please
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well , I feel that I can change and improve my daily state, that I have the toolsand attitude
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... to help generate more subtle and expanded, joyful and nuanced moments
    Calvino Rabeni: That's nice to acknowledge, isn't it?
    Calvino Rabeni: You said it really well too, in my opinion
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: it's all originating in that first moment of awakening, being careful to move from there to stay body-aware, integrated, open
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, it's a relief. I had kind of felt I didn't have the right stuff to go there, and a sense of sadness or loss about that
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Now I feel like I have the tools and it's not so difficult. I'm in a rather good spot actually from where to approach cultivating that type of daily awareness.
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm genuinely happy to hear about it, too
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: You seem empathetic and sweet tonight ...
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Isn't it up to us, really, to discover we are at choice about this?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: It is at the beginning that concentration is important, for the beginning holds the seed of all that folows ... from the I Ching - No. 30 The clinking / FIre
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ha, the clinking!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes, to discover where we can make choices that have noticeable consequences
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: JG Bennett said that basically we can't control anything except our attention.
    Calvino Rabeni: How does it feel, kind of personal, or it goes beyond? I was thinking today of all the sources of help we have available
    Calvino Rabeni: An abundance really
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe Bennett meant, the way it is all gated through attention
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: sure
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: It feels that is beyond the personal, but involves the personal
    Calvino Rabeni: Or as in the christian saying - ask and ye shall receive
    Calvino Rabeni: but not asking is, not having attention
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, the asking is the real mystery - it's not surprising that if one asks, you shall receive
    Calvino Rabeni: :))
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... but, why do we ask in the first place? TO even be in an emotional or personaly place to *WISH* - one must believe it isn't so far away if one asks
    Calvino Rabeni: The not asking - I suppose this is the same mystery
    Calvino Rabeni: It looks like, the "wisher" is broken for people
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... not ready at that moment, or not in need
    Calvino Rabeni: That is, when we're not in the emotional place to even ask
    Calvino Rabeni: ... given up, resigned or whatever
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: well, one can't always be asking or ready to receive .. it has its own rhythm
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: like the seasons, like gardening, a time to plant, a time to water ... Ecclesiastes ...
    Calvino Rabeni: At the same time, it seems, to ask, one *already* believes in the possibility
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes, exactly! Open to possibilities, or to miracles even
    Calvino Rabeni: which could be an example of (the sometimes maligned word) faith
    Calvino Rabeni: The last page in CG Jung's recently published "Red Book"
    Calvino Rabeni: "Possibilities" - standing on a page by itself
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Wow! I hadn't thought of that aspect of "faith" very interesting!
    Calvino Rabeni: after all the analysis is said and done, that's the last word
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Really? Very lovely.
    Calvino Rabeni: OR perhpas the first, arriving at the beginning finally
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: In my class last night, were mentioned the five latifahs: faith, hope, joy, love and charity (I think)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... something about, each of the five has a specific location in the chest area
    Calvino Rabeni: Um, not moral virtues, but emblematic of clear thinking
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: say more?
    Calvino Rabeni: only that an unhindered mind would have those as qualities of its nature, were it not for various hindrances
    Calvino Rabeni: Although, by that I don't want to make them seem static
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: no worries I inferred no staticness
    Calvino Rabeni: I try to sort out the aspects - what is appropriate for this circle and what isn't
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: it occurs to me to wonder about the upbringing of the young boys who are destined to become lamas in Tibet - how they are raised and how their consciousness is conditioned
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... say, compared to a child in America. Of course there is huge variety among families.
    Calvino Rabeni: I was curious about child rearing in buddhist thailand, so it was one thing I was trying to watch, cross-culturally as it were
    Calvino Rabeni: how the values get transmitted
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: what did you notice?
    Calvino Rabeni: to ordinary people, not those who are believed to be headed for greatness
    Calvino Rabeni: a bit like the I Ching - if a child makes a mistake, and there is awareness and a sincere apology, there is "no blame"
    Calvino Rabeni: It seems clean, a sense of getting right back to a kind of "normal" after some transgression
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: so they are kind in that way to their children?
    Calvino Rabeni: No burden to carry either before or afterward
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I think our northern european origin dominated culture has some barbaric aspects
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, I have known about abuse, beatings or whatever, often by mothers, but, also seen some kindness and clarity at work too
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: that dismay me - punishment of kids, capital punishment
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: and so many other things - seems so obvious that there is a better way
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: or ought to be a better way, more nuanced, more compassionate
    Calvino Rabeni: After all, many things kids do wrong, is done innocently or through misperception or mistake, not malice
    Calvino Rabeni: those are important nuances
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: well of course!
    Calvino Rabeni: to preserve the innocence
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I was lucky in terms of my parents I think
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been told, similar things to that
    Calvino Rabeni: some fortunate things about it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: They were rebels against their own upbringing, so they deliberately just watched me
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, I might have wanted a little more activism :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: and tried to let me develop as my own person
    Calvino Rabeni: However, we might have these things in common, you and I
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: yes?
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a case where as a very young child, I pushed some other kid into the lake
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: and what happened then?
    Calvino Rabeni: I was not punished, because it had not at that age entered my mind as being a bad thing, but I was led then to apologize and put myself in the space of the other child
    Calvino Rabeni: And honestly, I had no malice at the time
    Calvino Rabeni: But needed to develop an imaginative capability of empathy
    Calvino Rabeni: A teachable moment, I think they call it
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: sounds like good and normal parenting
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: how old were you?
    Calvino Rabeni: But, how many adults might be tempted to punish, as if, the child "should have already known it was wrong"
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, maybe 2.5 years old
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: exactly - the making of absurdly unwarranted assumptions
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: 2.5 is very young
    Calvino Rabeni: The loss of innocence as a child - I kind of remember that process
    Calvino Rabeni: I tend to think, one goal of spirutual cultivation is to recover the parts of soul that went into hiding through those losses, and take them into a developed adult consciousness
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I do too - at nursery school, age 3.5 or so, I saw a kindergartener doing something mildly unkind to another child.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I still recall the shock. Perhaps that was my moment, loss of innocence
    Calvino Rabeni: That feeling of shock - I recall it too
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: many people don't remember much from those years. It's interesting that you do.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the adult persona gets pretty solid and hides the layers
    Calvino Rabeni: accurate memory involves some sensitive energies
    Calvino Rabeni: The note card I sent - is an author I revisit occasionally, who is / was able to see the developmental layers all at once
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: hmmm - I would have to contemplate that, sounds right though at first glance
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I will read this later
    Calvino Rabeni: My mother and I used to go to his workshops in the 70's
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, later is good, it's too long
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I met him once - he knew my father
    Calvino Rabeni: Not surprising, he was an early "somatic" guy
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I just glanced at it though - seems like he is addressing some of my common complaints about language
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, those are common complaints. It is a good thing to find out a more nuanced view of language
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: What was Akher Ahsen's main message?
    Calvino Rabeni: His main message? Kind of like what came to be NLP later, about the structure of experience as layers of sensory modalities. He focued more on somatic and image - according to him, all experiences are a triplet, Image, Soma, and Meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: But, there was more to him than that - that's the presented theory
    Calvino Rabeni: but it was clear, he had present-time insight and a somewhat, I gues you's say, vedic sensibility that he didn't articulate
    Calvino Rabeni: But the complexity and richness of his metaphoric language is one of the reasons I like reading his work.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Is he still alive, do you know?
    Calvino Rabeni: Not sure, he has some web sites like http://www.imagery-iia.com/subpgs/akhser/akhter.html#
    Calvino Rabeni: I think so, but he must be old, like Eugene Gendlin
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'll check it out at some point .. who's Eugene Gendlin?
    Calvino Rabeni: I might have mentioned him last time - another 70's era somatic therapist who was more a philopsopher, and spoke about the nature of language "outside the box" of supposedly static patterns, forms, properties etc.
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a huge amount of stuff at his web site, all pretty good
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: You are extremely knowledgeable in this realm ...
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.focusing.org/
    Calvino Rabeni: Thinking Beyond Patterns is one highlight
    Calvino Rabeni: I've just been following it a long time - had the advantage of being introduced to the developing stuff in my youth by elders in my family
    Calvino Rabeni: The Image, Soma, Meaning cluster, idea is relevant to practices of nature meditation
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a sweet time of year for that - spring time
    Calvino Rabeni: (if you live in the northern hemisphere of course)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: oh yes! I've been so enjoying the spring here. I have lots of pix but havenn't posted them yet
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to be able to take time to make a survey of the different methods that are used
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... some are exquisite - snow on tiny buds, tender hot-green shoots
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello Lucinda :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds like a great project
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, exquisite is the word
    Lucinda Lavender: Hello Cal, Mitzi
    Lucinda Lavender: Just wanted to say hello.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Hey Lucinda ( I typed Luscine if it's of interest ...!)
    Calvino Rabeni: I've invited a friend or two to do this with me, we go out, and then, hopefully, can discuss or reflect upon it
    Lucinda Lavender: oops
    Calvino Rabeni: OR if not, at least, we get so much from doing it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Hey there
    Calvino Rabeni: How are you, Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: my screen went to green
    Lucinda Lavender: I am ok now...
    Calvino Rabeni: I keep wanting to call you Cinda for short, would that be OK :) ?
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: I had a dream circle in 2L
    Calvino Rabeni: People get nicknames here
    Lucinda Lavender: today and Eliza came
    Lucinda Lavender: what was that about a short?
    Calvino Rabeni: Nice - I am always happy for these overlapping circles
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Lucinda Lavender: do you need a short name for me?
    Calvino Rabeni: Some use Luci
    Calvino Rabeni: I like Cinda
    Lucinda Lavender: that is fine...
    Lucinda Lavender: Cinda is better perhaps
    Lucinda Lavender: what is yours Mitzi?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: OK I can call you Cinda too.
    Lucinda Lavender: sure!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well Mitzi is short already!
    Lucinda Lavender: I thought so too...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Especially compared to the last name "mimistrobell"
    Lucinda Lavender: Does it feel nice to you both to be called a short name?
    Lucinda Lavender: It does me...
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Mitzi is still fresh to me since I haven't been on SL so very often ... so I like it as is
    Calvino Rabeni: Cal is fine
    Lucinda Lavender: Cal is like Call
    Calvino Rabeni: All you gotta do is Cal :)
    Lucinda Lavender: right
    Calvino Rabeni: I had something potentially of interest to both of you
    Lucinda Lavender: ?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: do tell! Call!
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A friend, who lives in Hawaii, someone who as done many studies and workshops, recently completed, with rave reviews, a class that reaches towards self realization through
    Calvino Rabeni: (drum roll)
    Calvino Rabeni: Rock And Roll
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: No, this was not one of the (at least three known) 4th-way schools whose teachers play rock music as a teaching method
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: (laughing)
    Calvino Rabeni: actually it came from the Osho group
    Calvino Rabeni: Another school with an emphasis on expression
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: ... through performing rock and roll, or listening to it, or what?
    Calvino Rabeni: Performing
    Lucinda Lavender: Interesting...
    Calvino Rabeni: The class culminates in performing in a rock band in front of a big audience
    Lucinda Lavender: wow
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: how does the self-realization come into the mix?
    Calvino Rabeni: A real, pretty good band - the class members sing
    Calvino Rabeni: Developing expression from depths you may not have been in touch with or aware of, or perhaps, something from personal or transpersonal "shadow"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: sure! I get it
    Calvino Rabeni: Or you could say, really enlarging the "circile" of self with new qualitative capacities
    Calvino Rabeni: They'd do lots of songs, with different qualities, and give full presence to the spirit
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: probably the skill of the instructor is a key factor
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes...I've not done that class - I will if it comes to my area and I have the $$$
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...harmonizing with each other and the audience...I must go for now...I will ponder it.
    Calvino Rabeni: But I've done a similar weekend wokshop with voice / singing / expressivity
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: nice to see you, Cinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: :) yes and nice to see you Mitzi.
    Calvino Rabeni: Alwasy great to see you Cinda
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: you have Cal? How are you doing with your previous shyness?
    Lucinda Lavender: :) lots of smiles for me today!
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Smiles!
    Calvino Rabeni: See you Cinda!
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good deal with the dream circle, too :)
    Lucinda Lavender: yes...
    Calvino Rabeni: To answer your previous question, I think a certain part of a spiritual path is "working against type"
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: uh huh...
    Calvino Rabeni: I'ts one of those things that "seems imppssible" but isn't really
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: you don't seem very shy online
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, maybe not offline either
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: really!!?! That's nice
    Calvino Rabeni: Do we have attention to chat a bit about "nature meditation"?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: absolutely!
    Calvino Rabeni: There seem to be certain basic important principles
    Calvino Rabeni: If you were to develop a practice - or try to pass it on, how to do it
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I'm listening
    Calvino Rabeni: Comparing notes could be a good thing
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I have some notes actually
    Calvino Rabeni: Probably most basic is of course, the belief that it is worthwhile to do, and starting to get an experience of how much it can energize oneself
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: one might need the conceptual groundwork to gain that belief
    Calvino Rabeni: That would help, but also, maybe just willing to go ont on a limb and do something that doesn't necessarioly make sense to western philosiophy, and see how it feels
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Well, I don't believe in trying to get people who are not interested in a topic to be interested in it.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I think it's best to respond to an active interest from someone. Saves a lot of trouble.
    Calvino Rabeni: Well they might be receptive, suppose they love hanging out in natural settings anyway
    Calvino Rabeni: and maybe have a meditation practce or so
    Calvino Rabeni: but never considered how those could combine
    Calvino Rabeni: Nor considered meditation as an "in-taking" rather than some kind of calming or "getting rid of" procedure
    Calvino Rabeni: Or they might have pagan influences, etc.
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: you are correct, it is a bit of a foreign concept
    Calvino Rabeni: Any of those could provide an attraction
    Calvino Rabeni: To learn a new dance form of consciousness
    Calvino Rabeni: An appreciation for beauty, for instance
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: It seems you are concerned about promotion of the idea more than instruction ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Only that, instruction requires some kind of bridge to existing interests and desires
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, so it can be related to what people already know
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Yes ...
    Calvino Rabeni: And that isn't selling, just making it make sense
    Calvino Rabeni: Let's imagine then, that worked.
    Calvino Rabeni: As for practice / instruction?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Sounds good!
    Calvino Rabeni: They're kind of the same, when people are past the beginning stage of anyything, to be learning to instruct oneself
    Calvino Rabeni: One of the keys I'd say, is pretty fundamental, which is to be able to have open attention with some sensitivity
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps to drop the feeling of sentimentality
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: objectivity
    Calvino Rabeni: Like, it's a beautiful sunset - let that not be a cliche, but an experience
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: the observer aspect
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, objectivity - that is, to allow what is there to be the thnng that affects one, rather than having in advance, an idea of how one wants it to make one feel (which I'd call sentimentality)
    Calvino Rabeni: Paradise must be nearby - hello !
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal .. mitzi :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Mitz, that was a good call - objectivity
    Paradise Tennant: the late late late session :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: For you, certainly late - how are you?
    Paradise Tennant: well thanks .. just eating dinner .. and you two ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Having a good time - we were discussing nature meditation
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: I got a new angle on it the other day from a different teacher - who simply said - ask yourself a question, let it sit in your heart, then go outside for a long walk, and be alert, and let "nature" answer the question in some unexpected way.
    Paradise Tennant: stood by a lilac bush this afternoon after taking my mom to lunch .. just being open .. to the scent .. the beauty .. was a lovely day here
    Calvino Rabeni: So what have you been doing lately Paradise, if you'd like to mention anything here :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm not much that would be of interest really .. just working .. and more working :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I like that practice very much, Calvino, that you just described
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, out of sequence question / answer - thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: I found a white lilac yesterday - they carry a different feeling than the rose
    Calvino Rabeni: Delicate, kind of happy and lighthearted
    Calvino Rabeni: is my impression of it, maybe not a passion like the rose
    Paradise Tennant: nods when I was a kid we had a huge lilac bush in our backyard ..I could crawl in the base of it and sit there which I often did .. magical when it was in bloom but nice even when not :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I smelled a white lilac this morning myself.
    Calvino Rabeni: I love that image of being inside it.
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, yesterday I was noticing the mints along the trail
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd pinch the leaf then be rewarded - a spearmint I think
    Paradise Tennant: was really nice . we had a big apple tree too . beautiful in the spring when it was in bloom .. use to climb to the top branches then jump up and grap an armful of the tender new branches at the top and swing in the wind .. not always that easy to get down but sheer joy .. to fee the movement :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: sounds delightful
    Paradise Tennant: *feel
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Calvino Rabeni: So, this is still available to adults, eh? :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: Kids are pretty courageous with going fully into different experiences !
    Paradise Tennant: much easier when you only weigh about 70 lbs :) I was about 9 at the time :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. hadn't had any falls :)
    Paradise Tennant: so no fear of falling
    Calvino Rabeni: for the tree swinging yes
    Paradise Tennant: actually .. fear is a learned program . one I think we could largely do without :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I certainly agree :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: I enjoyed lots of tree climinbing as well ...your description was very vivid, Paradise, very enjoyable.
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes useful but mostly not
    Calvino Rabeni: All kinds of crazy reluctance - we could do without
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..was listening to gil frondal talk of nature meditation yesterday .. he spoke of standing by a tree and sharing the tree's perspective .. when you are kid that is just so much more directly accessible :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The closest I came to an experience of flying, was, once having climbed a mountain covered with slide alder, I found it was possible just to LEAP off into space, and be caught by the branches below, and then to repeat that again and again
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: that would be fun!
    Calvino Rabeni: Before you came, we were talking about how to re-open that kind of experiences for adults
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: what is slide alder?
    Calvino Rabeni: I kind of tree, whth lots of branches pointing downhill, like a sor tof net or trampoline
    Calvino Rabeni: very springy, like the safety net under a circus trapeze
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: that is amazing, being caught by branches as you describe! I never heard of such a thing. How nice!
    Calvino Rabeni: Well surely memorable - never to be repeated actually
    Calvino Rabeni: A trust in "mother nature will catch me if I leap off this abyss" was part of it
    Calvino Rabeni: Paradise, do you have a pointer to that audiodharma talk?
    Paradise Tennant: sure
    Paradise Tennant: http://www.audiodharma.org/talks-gil.html
    Paradise Tennant: that is the full list let me pull up my itunes library because I downloaded my favs - I will get you the title
    Calvino Rabeni: I have enjoyed a few of them. Which had the "tree"?
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, thanks
    Paradise Tennant: oooo blinking ... I think the nature of all things but I played all my downloaded ones yesterday while I was cleaning house .. not sure which one I suspect "the nature of all things"
    Calvino Rabeni: Is thee a podcast Itunes feed for these too?
    Calvino Rabeni: If so I'll just subscribe
    Paradise Tennant: hmm
    Paradise Tennant: the default download location is itunes .
    Paradise Tennant: I do not see a feed ?
    Paradise Tennant: like his talks a lot .. Mitizi this is an american zen master who has studied for 30 years ..he is easy to listen to and has a lovely sense of humor :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I have heard a few
    Calvino Rabeni: I liked the one on "Energy" as a force of awakening
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..while that was the last munch of my cheese sandwich ..the dog got most of the cheese.. I should scoot.. almost 12.30 pm here ...
    Paradise Tennant: thanks for the chat ..nice to see you again mitzi :)
    Paradise Tennant: namaste :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol that would 12.30 am :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good seeing you Paradise :)
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Namaste
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, Let us close the session OK?
    Mitzi Mimistrobell: Good evening Calvino, I must off
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye, thanks for coming - CU
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