2010.05.11 13:00 - Absolute Beginners

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    The Guardian for this meeting was the lovely Agatha Macbeth. The witterings are hers.

        Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Hello Agatha !
        Agatha Macbeth: Sorry, just listening to Ritchie Havens

    Actually, I was watching 'What you gonna do about me' on YouTube- one of my all-time faves.
    In fact so engrossed was I with this, I didn't notice I hadn't claimed the log yet!

        Agatha Macbeth: Ooops (left clicks fountain)
        Agatha Macbeth: Sorted!
        Agatha Macbeth: How are you?
        Calvino Rabeni: A OK
        Agatha Macbeth: That's what we like to hear :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Still travelling?
        Calvino Rabeni: Staying at a friend's place for few weeks, it is not home but not traveling
        Agatha Macbeth: Hm, nice
        Agatha Macbeth: 'Cal is on the road again' ;-)
        Calvino Rabeni: When I look out the window, there's snow on them thar' hills I wanted to roam. :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Aww, wow, lovely
        Calvino Rabeni: One reason I switched from the orange robes back to black leather :)

    Well I know which I prefer! :p (slaps wrist and says 'behave')

        Agatha Macbeth: Is Themthar hills where the gold is? :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Thar usta be metallic gold - I still find mines occasionally
        Calvino Rabeni: Now the gold is of the floral type, especially in the spring
        Agatha Macbeth: Is that the same as 'fool's gold'?
        Calvino Rabeni: Which is late this year
        Agatha Macbeth: Or something different?
        Calvino Rabeni: No, fools gold is a mineral.
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah
        Calvino Rabeni: The other kind of gold was known to Emerson and Wordsworth]
        Agatha Macbeth: Iron- something or other, yes?
        Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, pyrite?
        Agatha Macbeth: Not Emerson Lake and Palmer then? :P
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes, pyrites I think
        Calvino Rabeni: No, the transcendentalist poet
        Agatha Macbeth: Who's that?
        Calvino Rabeni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson
        Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, I have heard of him
        Calvino Rabeni: Science might catch up with these guys in some ways before too long
        Calvino Rabeni: When I got back to USA, there was a huge stack of the unread magazines
        Agatha Macbeth: Well, science can be a party-pooper :)
        Calvino Rabeni: So I 'been browsin' :)
        Calvino Rabeni: It can, but leading edge science is opening new possibilities it had closed in the past
        Agatha Macbeth: Wow. I find 'unread' stuff a challenge!
        Calvino Rabeni: Since so many people use science as a way to legitimize knowledge, it's important to note the openings it creates, not just the party pooper stuff
        Agatha Macbeth: It cuts both ways I guess...
        Calvino Rabeni: Unread - yeah, I hate it some - it's an intellectuall if self-imposed dilemma
        Agatha Macbeth likes 'legitimise knowledge'
        Agatha Macbeth: In the old days, the church did that of course


        Calvino Rabeni: A notable article on "blindsight" in Scientific American, and one on terrorism in the New Yorker
        Agatha Macbeth: Nowadays it seems to be the lot of academics
        Agatha Macbeth: So what happened to the orange robes? :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Church and science have been at it a long time, holding up different ends of human knowledge
        Agatha Macbeth nods
        Agatha Macbeth: Just look at Gallileo and all his probs
        Calvino Rabeni: Too cold for the robes, maybe later in summer. When I got them, it was always above 85F. Now it's about 38F.
        Agatha Macbeth does a quick conversion to centigrade
        Agatha Macbeth: (Or celsius)
        Calvino Rabeni: The answer is .... ?
        Calvino Rabeni: e.g. about 3 degrees, vs. ?
        Agatha Macbeth: 38F is pretty cold if I'm right
        Agatha Macbeth: Not much above freezing
        Calvino Rabeni: and the hot range, near body temperature, what is that in C
        Agatha Macbeth nods. Yeah right
        Calvino Rabeni: 37 or something?
        Agatha Macbeth: Oooh, about 37.5?
        Agatha Macbeth: Thereabouts

    Enter Yakuzza

        Agatha Macbeth: Nabend Yaku :)
        Calvino Rabeni: So, 35 in thailand, 3 here in oregon
        Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
        Agatha Macbeth: God, Oregon is colder than the UK then?
        Agatha Macbeth: Erk
        Calvino Rabeni: Good day, Yakusan and Bert :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Bert?
        Agatha Macbeth: Is he hiding?
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see him on my radar
        Calvino Rabeni: Oh, bert is in range, detector range, not near the pavilion yet. Not sure if he is in chat range
        Yakuzza Lethecus: yes 8.3m away#
        Agatha Macbeth: I see him, on the steps of the Sacred Art Museum :)

    I wave to Bert in IM and, as is our wont, a silly IM conversation takes place betweeen us for the next ten mins

        Calvino Rabeni: He's probably back at his plot, near mine, in the village - it isn't that far
        Agatha Macbeth: Trying to look cool as always ;)
        Calvino Rabeni: A farsighted person :)
        Agatha Macbeth: I just IMed him
        Calvino Rabeni: Certain people are on the "must check out their latest outfit" list
        Calvino Rabeni: It gives a lot of interest to SL
        Agatha Macbeth: No hiding from PaB! :D
        Agatha Macbeth: Is yaku's mic on?
        Agatha Macbeth: (I hear strange noises)
        Yakuzza Lethecus: no
        Agatha Macbeth: Odd
        Calvino Rabeni: Yaku's mic is on, according to my panel
        Agatha Macbeth: Me too
        Yakuzza Lethecus: that is really strange
        Calvino Rabeni: Sound check - "testing 1 2 3" ?
        Yakuzza Lethecus: since emerald doesnt show it logged
        Agatha Macbeth: It shows above your head too Yaku
        Yakuzza Lethecus: not on mine
        Agatha Macbeth: Little green lines...
        Yakuzza Lethecus: strange
        Yakuzza Lethecus: still
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes, very
        Yakuzza Lethecus: i activated and deactivated
        Yakuzza Lethecus: this is really strange
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, tech probs...
        Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a new netbook since 3pm
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes?
        Yakuzza Lethecus: and trying it in my bed right now actually :)

    The things some people do in bed :)

        Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
        Yakuzza Lethecus: still the talkbutton isn't locked
        Yakuzza Lethecus: and i can´t see the lines
        Yakuzza Lethecus: but when i activate talk i have green linees
        Agatha Macbeth: Well you should have, yes
        Yakuzza Lethecus: for me it looks as it is supposed to be
        Calvino Rabeni: Gotta have multiple computers these days - I used the netbook when the laptop crashed in SL yesterday. It works pretty well
        Calvino Rabeni: And a lot more "bed friendly" :)


        Calvino Rabeni: As well as to take traveling
        Agatha Macbeth: 'Bed' seems to be cropping up a lot tonight :)
        Yakuzza Lethecus: /i don´t have an ion chipset so sl is pretty slow, but the battery works over 6hrs according to forums and it´s a concertible, heavy ebookreader :P
        Yakuzza Lethecus: convertible
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
        Calvino Rabeni: I was wondering, if some of you from "east of the pond" could tell me your local idioms for "raining *really* hard"?
        Agatha Macbeth: Is Oregon a pretty cold place then Cal?
        Calvino Rabeni: Not really, but it depends on altitude a lot, the west coast is mountainous
        Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I see
        Calvino Rabeni: I'm at 800 meters, snow line is about 1200 today
        Agatha Macbeth: Wow, that's pretty high
        Calvino Rabeni: There's a big yearly mountain bicycle race called the Spring Thaw
        Yakuzza Lethecus: are there still green lines from me?
        Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking, this year they will be in some snow
        Agatha Macbeth: No Yaku, not now
        Calvino Rabeni: Hello I hear U Yaku
        Agatha Macbeth: I hear you now Yaku!
        Yakuzza Lethecus: yes that was intentional
        Yakuzza Lethecus: but before it was not active for me so it´s still weird
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, tech stuff eh?
        Agatha Macbeth: Oregon is up by Canada is it not?
        Agatha Macbeth: That way?
        Calvino Rabeni: it goes, mexico, california, oregon, washington, canada, alaska - S to N
        Agatha Macbeth nods
        Agatha Macbeth: So you are in the same time zone as SLT?
        Calvino Rabeni: Yes, life is so simple here :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Too right :)
        Agatha Macbeth: this time thing really confuses me
        Calvino Rabeni: The daylight savings time really threw a spanner into the works, for a while
        Calvino Rabeni: (idiom check, Agatha?)
        Agatha Macbeth: Indeed, as it does every year...
        Agatha Macbeth: Idiom?
        Calvino Rabeni: RIght a saying in yr language
        Calvino Rabeni: Yaku do you know "spanner in the works"?
        Agatha Macbeth: You lost me
        Yakuzza Lethecus: no
        Calvino Rabeni: It means, "fouls it up royally"
        Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes, I see
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes we say that here too!
        Calvino Rabeni: OK, sand in the gears,
        Calvino Rabeni: a "destabilizing influence"
        Agatha Macbeth: 'Fox in the henhouse'
        Calvino Rabeni: :)
        Yakuzza Lethecus: i meani haven´t head it but it was clear from the context
        Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fox


        Yakuzza Lethecus: no#
        Calvino Rabeni: Actually, the international language would have more flavor if we put in more idioms, at the cost of slowing communication somewhat
        Calvino Rabeni: International english can tend to blandness
        Agatha Macbeth: Not *that* Fox, she's probably at Kira right now
        Yakuzza Lethecus: ah
        Yakuzza Lethecus: i missed something
        Yakuzza Lethecus: dammit
        Yakuzza Lethecus: right
        Yakuzza Lethecus: kira
        Agatha Macbeth: We could use esperanto
        Yakuzza Lethecus: take care guys
        Agatha Macbeth: C ya yaku
        Calvino Rabeni: OK, yaku, fly with the eagles :)
        Agatha Macbeth: He forgot about the Dream workshop I guess
        Agatha Macbeth: (More strange noises)
        Agatha Macbeth: Well I don't have a mic, so it can't be me
        Calvino Rabeni: Sound check - I've got a voice meeting coming up - haven't quite figured out how to use this viewer
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
        Agatha Macbeth: Viewer 2 is that?
        Calvino Rabeni: This laptop doesn't have a built in video camera, so I don't feel "stared at"
        Calvino Rabeni: Viewer 2, I like it overall.
        Agatha Macbeth: Here's looking at you kid ;-)
        Agatha Macbeth: You do?
        Calvino Rabeni: I hear 2.1 is on the way to handle some of the complaints
        Agatha Macbeth: Most people I know don't have good reports about it
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes, well it can only get better
        Calvino Rabeni: Maybe they have big screens
        Calvino Rabeni: I find it works better for me on small screen computers - like laptops
        Agatha Macbeth: It seems very clunky and cluttered from what I've seen of it

    Enter Arabella

        arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino, Agatha
        Agatha Macbeth: Nothing seems to be where you want it to be
        Calvino Rabeni: Hello Arabella
        Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara :)
        Calvino Rabeni: Another comment was its basic blackness
        Calvino Rabeni: That matters to a few people
        Agatha Macbeth: Can't say i really noticed that...
        Calvino Rabeni: The color-aware
        Calvino Rabeni: So far it's just in basic black
        Agatha Macbeth: The default colour scheme seemed ok
        Agatha Macbeth: The problem for me is working out where everything is
        Agatha Macbeth: And the movement controls seem to be a pain too
        arabella Ella: is this Emerald?
        Agatha Macbeth: No, Viewer 2 Ara
        arabella Ella: ah
        Agatha Macbeth: Emerald is great!
        arabella Ella: i am resisting it so far
        Agatha Macbeth nods
        Agatha Macbeth: I keep meaning to take a look at Snowglobe, see what (if anything) it has to offer
        Calvino Rabeni: Isn't emerald the same thing as SL Viewer 1?
        arabella Ella: not sure
        Calvino Rabeni: I didn't notice differences much
        arabella Ella: or is emerald a browser?
        Agatha Macbeth: Not really Cal no, it has additional features
        Agatha Macbeth: Such as 'Worn Items' which I find really useful
        Calvino Rabeni: Ah, I like those in V2 - it made a difference in outfit management
        Agatha Macbeth: No, Emerald is a viewer Ara
        arabella Ella: ah ok ty ... i did not really know
        Agatha Macbeth grins
        arabella Ella: life is a learning curve :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
        Agatha Macbeth: As is PaB
        arabella Ella nods
        Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni echoes assent
        Agatha Macbeth: Which group is 'Artificial Mind' Ara?
        arabella Ella: ah ... it does not seem to be active the name is Artificial Intelligence
        arabella Ella: i just like the tag
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah ok, I'll look it up
        arabella Ella: you will find it on my profile
        arabella Ella: is it quiet here tonight due to dreams?
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I think everyone is with Max and Fox
        Agatha Macbeth: Yaku was here earlier, then remembered and shot off to Kira!
        arabella Ella: ah ... pity they don't schedule that for an hour after PaB

    Yes indeed! Can 'powers that be' at Kira please take note? ;-)

        arabella Ella: or before
        Calvino Rabeni: This might be of interest http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...g-i-2010-04-15
        Agatha Macbeth nods. Yes, I can't go to it anymore :(
        Calvino Rabeni: Sight without conscious awareness
        Calvino Rabeni: Why not, Aga? Because this is yr session?

    Yes! :(

        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, blindsight..

        Calvino Rabeni: Interesting because it contradicts folk psychology of consciousness
        Calvino Rabeni: Anyway sorry to raise and run, I have a meeting
        Calvino Rabeni: So will slip out during the pause
        arabella Ella: bye Calvino ... am just reading it
        arabella Ella: very interesting thanks
        Calvino Rabeni: Take care
        Agatha Macbeth: Ok Cal, bye for now :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Yes, that is interesting
        Agatha Macbeth: And strange...
        arabella Ella: i had heard about this before
        Agatha Macbeth nods
        arabella Ella: but it sounds so weird ... did i get it right ... can people be aware of objects with no visual apparatus?
        Agatha Macbeth: I've heard something of the kind, yes
        Agatha Macbeth: But if they are not using their eyes, what are they using?
        arabella Ella: exactly
        Agatha Macbeth is reminded of Star Wars
        arabella Ella: i think i had previously heard of it through experiments where subliminal images which are not 'noticed' can be somehow recalled
        Agatha Macbeth: 'Your eyes can deceive you, don't use them'
        arabella Ella: he he
        arabella Ella: yes
        Agatha Macbeth: Young Jedi
        arabella Ella: perhaps some people can develop additional senses like bats and sonar i wonder
        Agatha Macbeth: Truly tho, that is strange
        arabella Ella: yes
        Agatha Macbeth: What is it that bats use, it it sound?
        Wol Euler: yep
        Agatha Macbeth: Well hello there Ms Euler :))

    The AVid fan appears from nowhere, closely followed by Darren

        arabella Ella: it is a sensitivity to other objects ... like sound waves
        arabella Ella: Hiya Wol
        Wol Euler: hallöchen
        Darren Islar: hi girls
        Wol Euler: hello ara
        Agatha Macbeth: Ultrasonics reflected from an object?
        arabella Ella: Hiya Darren
        Darren Islar: (insteas of hi guys :-))
        Agatha Macbeth: Hi Daz
        arabella Ella: Wow everyone arriving now ... but i must leave
        Agatha Macbeth looks round for the guys
        arabella Ella: bye all
        Agatha Macbeth: Aww, bye Ara
        Darren Islar: coming from the dreamworkshop
        Darren Islar: bye Ara
        Wol Euler: bye ara, take care
        Agatha Macbeth: What did they talk about tonight?
        Wol Euler: dreaming :)
        Agatha Macbeth: NO! (slap)
        Wol Euler: lucid dreams, and being worried by them
        Agatha Macbeth looks skywards
        Darren Islar: heheheh
        Wol Euler: generally speaking
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the old lucid dreams eh
        Darren Islar: lucid dreams also
        Agatha Macbeth: I can never remember my dreams much
        Agatha Macbeth: But a lot of them seem to involve people at PaB nowadays
        Wol Euler grins
        Wol Euler: that happens to me too
        Agatha Macbeth: And SL stuff gets mixed up with RL stuff

    At this point, Darren sends us a snapshot of the three of us through the fountain and its pink flower

        Wol Euler: wow, neat image Darren
        Darren Islar: dreaming about PaB
        Darren Islar: thanks, just got in on camera
        Agatha Macbeth: Pretty pschadelic
        Darren Islar: sorry for the tube
        Wol Euler grins.
        Agatha Macbeth: The You tube? ;-)
        Darren Islar: :-)
        Darren Islar: no the one that is so important to Wol :-)
        Wol Euler: :)

    I confess I had no clue as to what this meant, so let it slide...

        Agatha Macbeth: Ah
        Agatha Macbeth: How is the meditation thing going?
        Darren Islar: well, still learning, but that is part of the fun
        Agatha Macbeth nods
        Darren Islar: and pretty well I think
        Agatha Macbeth: Good
        Darren Islar: but you better ask the ones that are coming :-)
        Darren Islar: to me it feels pretty good
        Wol Euler: which isn't me, not yet
        Darren Islar: :-)
        Wol Euler: day after tomorrow :)
        Darren Islar: yep
        Agatha Macbeth isn't sure who is coming actually
        Darren Islar: oh eh, Yaku, Ara, Storm, Cal, Zen, Wol, Fox
        Darren Islar: oh and Lia
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, pretty good sample
        Darren Islar: I was forgetting someone
        Darren Islar: yes very mixed, people with lot of experience
        Agatha Macbeth: A fair cross-section as they say
        Darren Islar: and 'beginners' whatever that means
        Darren Islar: yes
        Agatha Macbeth: It might mean beginners ;-)
        Darren Islar: :-)
        Wol Euler: :)
        Agatha Macbeth: Absolute Beginners?


        Darren Islar: well hard to say, because no absoute beginners :-)
        Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that a film too?
        Darren Islar: but the fun thing is, it doesn't matter
        Darren Islar: have no idea
        Wol Euler: yes, it was
        Wol Euler: julian thingy directed
        Agatha Macbeth: Patsy Kensit?
        Wol Euler: david bowie and a few more music biz types
        Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
        Darren Islar: ah
        Agatha Macbeth: I remember Bowie's song yes
        Agatha Macbeth: I seem to remember the critics totally hated it
        Wol Euler: yeah :)
        Agatha Macbeth: But then what do critics know?
        Darren Islar: and I can't remember a thing :-)
        Agatha Macbeth: Too young probably :)
        Wol Euler: heheheh
        Darren Islar: or not interested in musicians making movies
        Agatha Macbeth: That too
        Agatha Macbeth: Ashes to ashes, fun to funky
        Darren Islar: what's the year of the movie?
        Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, hang on...
        Wol Euler: early 80s
        Darren Islar: not too young then I'm afraid
        Agatha Macbeth: IMDB says 1986
        Darren Islar: exactly my time, late 70s, early 80's
        Darren Islar: oh, too old :-)
        Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Julian Temple, yes
        Wol Euler: :)
        Agatha Macbeth: At least it wasn't Julian Clary ;-)
        Darren Islar: I'm going
        Darren Islar: have a good day/nite
        Agatha Macbeth: BFN Darren
        Wol Euler: goodnight darren, take care
        Agatha Macbeth: And he walks off into the sunset...
        Wol Euler: without looking back
        Wol Euler: like a proper movie hero
        Agatha Macbeth: :)

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    Originally written on 22:10, 12 May 2010
    ***Yes indeed! Can 'powers that be' at Kira please take note? ;-)***
    It was a real compromise. Maxine's schedule is quite exact, so after a break and with other obligations it was tricky to find a time to restart the workshop.
    Posted 22:26, 14 May 2010
    Originally written on 22:27, 12 May 2010
    Damn :(
    Posted 22:26, 14 May 2010
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