The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hello Crystal
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: where is people ?
Bolonath Crystal: namaste cosmicflower
Bolonath Crystal: everybody is sleeping ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: _/!\_
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Have You had fun? in your day
Bolonath Crystal: my day has just started :)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, for me its midday ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just made fire here on living room for fire place
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I thought to prepare sausage and some salad for my-Self
Bolonath Crystal: :)
Darren Islar: hi Bolo, hi Cosmic
Bolonath Crystal: namaste darren
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: warmed there in coals
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hello Darren
Darren Islar: hi
missing the sun
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: My heart feels happy, its promised warm weather also to rest of the week in Finnland, plus 24 celsius
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: summer comes
Bolonath Crystal: wow, would be nice
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, after long cold winter
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Sun is needed ;)
Bolonath Crystal: i miss the sun
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not remember, but where You live?
Darren Islar: sounds very nice, a lot of rain here in the last weeks
Bolonath Crystal: germany, cosmic
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I will make a remembering note for me ;)
Bolonath Crystal: *g*
Darren Islar: then we suffer from the same depression Bolo
Bolonath Crystal: i'm back in germany since about two weeks now, and i had only one day without rain since then
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: can travel with astral body to sun?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it helps many times when having gray or winter
Bolonath Crystal: it is the material body that longs for the warmth
Darren Islar: yes and before that, we had sunshine here, a few really good weeks
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, but it can be felt when doing "travelling" through distances too
Darren Islar: sorry?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, I said it helps if travelling with astral body to sun. Warmth can be felt in physical this way too
Darren Islar: ah :-)
Bolonath Crystal: maybe i should try it
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, its no need but think of bright light of sun
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and notice to be there
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its like here in sl too, being in sauna
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it can "feel" the heat
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or feel other people
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: this is also "travelling"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with spirit
travelling as inner process
Bolonath Crystal: travelling is always an inner process, as the outer world is a projection. shouldn't be too difficult to create some sunlight :)
Darren Islar: ??
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: one-Self can also be like a sun with radiating light
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: as a ray of sun
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and other can feel its warmth
Bolonath Crystal: darren, i suppose the world as we know it happens in the mind only. so everything, that happens, happens mentally. some of it we project in the outside, some inside the illusionary self. so all travelling can be regarded as an inner process
--BELL--
Darren Islar: maybe, you're right Bolo, but what I have experienced is that the world has a reflection on me, and that reflection can change, getting another perspective; I am also familiar of feeling the sun shine even when it is not there
Darren Islar: but I don't know, it is not in my experience, that the world around me is only a mental projection
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thats true Darren
Darren Islar: coulb be, I just don't know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think its also emotional
Darren Islar: And I can only work with what I know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: all what experiencing inside
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: reflects outside
connection between inside and outside
Darren Islar: there is definetly a connection
Bolonath Crystal: all that we know and experience is knowns and experienced because of perceptions
Bolonath Crystal: perception "forms" the world
Darren Islar: I mean between the outside and inner world
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what about creation?
Bolonath Crystal: if we wouldn't be able to see colors, the world would be black and white
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have experienced I have created my life
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what I have desired
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or wished
Bolonath Crystal: perception IS creation
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: inner, it have came also outer
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey
Bolonath Crystal: impulses from the sense organs are displayed as forms, colors, sound ...
Darren Islar: I don't know Cosmic, thinking of a lot of people with good hearts, suffering
Darren Islar: but senses are matter
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have suffered also and having good heart for sure
Bolonath Crystal: no, they are displayed as matter
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: why I have suffered
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its that I have remembered from it something
Darren Islar: maybe
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or learned
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Many people with good heart do not know the lesson when its beter not to help
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they help and help and help
Darren Islar: how real is the outside world for somebody who is not able to provide for himself or his family
Darren Islar: or how unreal
Bolonath Crystal: as real as creation can be
Bolonath Crystal: the outer world isn't "unreal" just because it is a projection
Darren Islar: ah :-)
Bolonath Crystal: it is like a movie in the cinema. there is really a film, everyone can see it, but the story is unreal nevertheless
Darren Islar: You know, I just don't know
Darren Islar: the only thing I know is how I perceive it
Darren Islar: and maybe some day I will find out this world is not really real
Bolonath Crystal: also the word "illusion" doesn't mean that there is nothing. there is something, but not what we think it is
Darren Islar: but I can only work with the tools I have
Darren Islar: the tools I really experienced
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: own experience is the most best way I think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: because then one goes own path
Darren Islar: right
Bolonath Crystal: sure
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and if is ablo to listen One-Self, then that path will be manifested
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or lived true
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: living one`s own truth every second
Darren Islar: hmmm, that sounds real to me :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it is real
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and people might have different truths
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: depending what they have chosen to experience
Darren Islar: I don;t know about the choosing part
Darren Islar: that is not part of my experience, so I just don't know, might be
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel I have chose things
Darren Islar: in this life yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but realicing WHY later
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not in moment, but can be seen later
Darren Islar: but if I would do it again, how much choice would I have to do it differently, I wonder
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, but eaven if there is "bad" chosen
Darren Islar: because a ot of choices are about not choosing
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if choosing other way, would there be a rememebering or learning
Bolonath Crystal: there is always a choice, i think
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, there is also other people`s choses made affecting. One can not alone create, but needs also people around.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: playing their roles
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and yes
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: And people do make mistakes, incuding me, and people do also Live
Darren Islar: I don't know Cosmic, I guess anything could be possible, but if I need to do this life again, with what I knew then, I don't think it would be very different
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I wouldn`t chage a thing
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: change
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: making mistakes and living life
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thats the way it goes
Darren Islar: I think the question here is not if you would want to o it differently, but if you have the opportunity to do so
Darren Islar: I think there is, but only in small ways
Bolonath Crystal: different choices have different probabilities. if we face the same situation 1 million times, we might easily do the same thing 999999 times. but it is completely unthinkable to me, that everything is completely predeterminated
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I agree
Darren Islar: right Bolo, I think so too, but can we really 'create' our lives
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its always human mind, how it goes at the end
Darren Islar: I don;t know, and again I can only work with the tools I have
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I would Say Darren, Yes we can
Darren Islar: hoping to make a difference for myself and also maybe for others
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Think one moment that You are able to create Your life for now on, what would You do??
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: There is no-one stopping..
Darren Islar: I have no idea
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, perhaps having some ideas for creation
Darren Islar: what I try to do is to go with the flow and try to observe that and see where I can change things for my own and others benefit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: raising little by little
what is karma?
Bolonath Crystal: having the possibility to create one's own life doesn't neccessarily mean, that we are free to vreate any form of life. there are rules for creation
Darren Islar: and trying to get into contact with what really moves me
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what kind of rules BOlonanth?
Bolonath Crystal: the rules of karma
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You can do It Darren
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: who is ruling over with Karma?
Darren Islar: right Bolo
Bolonath Crystal: we can only create a world, that is possible
Bolonath Crystal: the form is limited by karma
Darren Islar: and as a teacher once told me, karma is really about habit
Darren Islar: that I do understand
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: For me there can be chosen if there is karma or not
Bolonath Crystal: but we can change our karma
Darren Islar: true bolo
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think only way to create "karma" (meaning bad karma- if thinking limitations) is to do against One-Self
Darren Islar: but that means we really need to have a close look at our patterns and see where we can change them, against all odds and fears
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I feel not to do something, and I will still do it, I will create for my-Self negative karma
Bolonath Crystal: right, darren
Darren Islar: that might come with it, opening yourself to new possibilities
Darren Islar: that I do know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: all other is positive and there is no limits
Bolonath Crystal: positive and negative is nothing "objective". it depends from the goal we are struggling to
Bolonath Crystal: of*
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, thats what I think creates karma
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if doing against One-Self
Darren Islar: yes I can't imagine that everything is positive
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: otherwice I do not see karma
Darren Islar: wouldn't be logica
Darren Islar: *logical
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Karma is something someone have invited to keep people in limits
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with fears
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like in christian religion there is hell
Darren Islar: no karma is not about fear
Bolonath Crystal: in my eyes karma is something entirely different, cosmic :)
Darren Islar: christianity is about fear
Darren Islar: karma is about not knowing
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Darren Islar: that is misunderstood about karma
Bolonath Crystal: karma is the law of action and reaction
Darren Islar: being adopted in the west and dressed with guilt and fear
Darren Islar: yes nothing more, nothing less
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Not knowing.. I think its not being aware of
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not karma
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but also
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there might be several truths with karma also
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: depending one`s own experience
Darren Islar: maybe so, but karma is a concept
Darren Islar: coming from the east
Bolonath Crystal: yes, it is a matter of definition. i prefer the original iondian definition
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel it to be like a rucksac
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it can take off
Darren Islar: if you use karma in a different way, I would suggest to use another name
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps its also reflection ones inner to outer, this Karma. Like a magnet. What I feel to be, or what I am, I will manifest it and it will return me.
Darren Islar: maybe
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I choose love, I will be loved
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I choose being rude, I will be treated rudely
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or so one
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: kind of..
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: love increase love
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: joy increse joy
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: etc
Darren Islar: true Cosmic, but choosing love is not that easy
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes, I know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its more easy to choose fear
Darren Islar: having all kind of negative patterns in the way
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: because that is the most common
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but rather love
Darren Islar: in that is where I am interested in
Darren Islar: those patterns that get in the way
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but its not need to mind of those patterns
Darren Islar: how can I dissolve those or change them to my benefit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: love is also inner state of being
Bolonath Crystal: i think, it is not that easy. there are many things that happened to me, that i didn't choose (willingly, at least)
Darren Islar: right Bolo
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: directing attention to love, with consciously
Darren Islar: sorry, this is a very interesting discussion, but I really need to go
Darren Islar: another rl appointment
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Forgive, Forget, and live like You have never been hurt
Bolonath Crystal: yes, me too
Darren Islar: don't like to take of in the middle of something like that
Darren Islar: *this
Bolonath Crystal: we should continue this next time
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye Darren
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and Bolo
Darren Islar: see you and thanks for the lively discussion
Bolonath Crystal: bye everybody :) om shanti
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