2010.05.12 01:00 - karma talk

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.

        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hello Crystal
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: where is people ?
        Bolonath Crystal: namaste cosmicflower
        Bolonath Crystal: everybody is sleeping ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: _/!\_
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Have You had fun? in your day
        Bolonath Crystal: my day has just started :)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, for me its midday ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just made fire here on living room for fire place
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I thought to prepare sausage and some salad for my-Self
        Bolonath Crystal: :)
        Darren Islar: hi Bolo, hi Cosmic
        Bolonath Crystal: namaste darren
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: warmed there in coals
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hello Darren
        Darren Islar: hi

    missing the sun

        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: My heart feels happy, its promised warm weather also to rest of the week in Finnland, plus 24 celsius
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: summer comes
        Bolonath Crystal: wow, would be nice
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, after long cold winter
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Sun is needed ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: i miss the sun
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not remember, but where You live?
        Darren Islar: sounds very nice, a lot of rain here in the last weeks
        Bolonath Crystal: germany, cosmic
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I will make a remembering note for me ;)
        Bolonath Crystal: *g*
        Darren Islar: then we suffer from the same depression Bolo
        Bolonath Crystal: i'm back in germany since about two weeks now, and i had only one day without rain since then
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: can travel with astral body to sun?
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it helps many times when having gray or winter
        Bolonath Crystal: it is the material body that longs for the warmth
        Darren Islar: yes and before that, we had sunshine here, a few really good weeks
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, but it can be felt when doing "travelling" through distances too
        Darren Islar: sorry?
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, I said it helps if travelling with astral body to sun. Warmth can be felt in physical this way too
        Darren Islar: ah :-)
        Bolonath Crystal: maybe i should try it
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes, its no need but think of bright light of sun
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and notice to be there
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its like here in sl too, being in sauna
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it can "feel" the heat
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or feel other people
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: this is also "travelling"
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with spirit

    travelling as inner process

        Bolonath Crystal: travelling is always an inner process, as the outer world is a projection. shouldn't be too difficult to create some sunlight :)
        Darren Islar: ??
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: one-Self can also be like a sun with radiating light
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: as a ray of sun
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and other can feel its warmth
        Bolonath Crystal: darren, i suppose the world as we know it happens in the mind only. so everything, that happens, happens mentally. some of it we project in the outside, some inside the illusionary self. so all travelling can be regarded as an inner process
        --BELL--
        Darren Islar: maybe, you're right Bolo, but what I have experienced is that the world has a reflection on me, and that reflection can change, getting another perspective; I am also familiar of feeling the sun shine even when it is not there
        Darren Islar: but I don't know, it is not in my experience, that the world around me is only a mental projection
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thats true Darren
        Darren Islar: coulb be, I just don't know
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think its also emotional
        Darren Islar: And I can only work with what I know
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: all what experiencing inside
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: reflects outside

    connection between inside and outside

        Darren Islar: there is definetly a connection
        Bolonath Crystal: all that we know and experience is knowns and experienced because of perceptions
        Bolonath Crystal: perception "forms" the world
        Darren Islar: I mean between the outside and inner world
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what about creation?
        Bolonath Crystal: if we wouldn't be able to see colors, the world would be black and white
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have experienced I have created my life
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what I have desired
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or wished
        Bolonath Crystal: perception IS creation
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: inner, it have came also outer
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oh
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey
        Bolonath Crystal: impulses from the sense organs are displayed as forms, colors, sound ...
        Darren Islar: I don't know Cosmic, thinking of a lot of people with good hearts, suffering
        Darren Islar: but senses are matter
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have suffered also and having good heart for sure
        Bolonath Crystal: no, they are displayed as matter
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: why I have suffered
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its that I have remembered from it something
        Darren Islar: maybe
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or learned
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Many people with good heart do not know the lesson when its beter not to help
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they help and help and help
       Darren Islar: how real is the outside world for somebody who is not able to provide for himself or his family
        Darren Islar: or how unreal
        Bolonath Crystal: as real as creation can be
        Bolonath Crystal: the outer world isn't "unreal" just because it is a projection
        Darren Islar: ah :-)
        Bolonath Crystal: it is like a movie in the cinema. there is really a film, everyone can see it, but the story is unreal nevertheless
        Darren Islar: You know, I just don't know
        Darren Islar: the only thing I know is how I perceive it
        Darren Islar: and maybe some day I will find out this world is not really real
        Bolonath Crystal: also the word "illusion" doesn't mean that there is nothing. there is something, but not what we think it is
        Darren Islar: but I can only work with the tools I have
        Darren Islar: the tools I really experienced
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: own experience is the most best way I think
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: because then one goes own path
        Darren Islar: right
        Bolonath Crystal: sure
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and if is ablo to listen One-Self, then that path will be manifested
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or lived true
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: living one`s own truth every second
        Darren Islar: hmmm, that sounds real to me :-)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it is real
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and people might have different truths
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: depending what they have chosen to experience
        Darren Islar: I don;t know about the choosing part
        Darren Islar: that is not part of my experience, so I just don't know, might be
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel I have chose things
        Darren Islar: in this life yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but realicing WHY later
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not in moment, but can be seen later
        Darren Islar: but if I would do it again, how much choice would I have to do it differently, I wonder
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, but eaven if there is "bad" chosen
        Darren Islar: because a ot of choices are about not choosing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if choosing other way, would there be a rememebering or learning
        Bolonath Crystal: there is always a choice, i think
        --BELL--
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, there is also other people`s choses made affecting. One can not alone create, but needs also people around.
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: playing their roles
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and yes
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: And people do make mistakes, incuding me, and people do also Live
        Darren Islar: I don't know Cosmic, I guess anything could be possible, but if I need to do this life again, with what I knew then, I don't think it would be very different
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I wouldn`t chage a thing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: change
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: making mistakes and living life
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thats the way it goes
        Darren Islar: I think the question here is not if you would want to o it differently, but if you have the opportunity to do so
        Darren Islar: I think there is, but only in small ways
        Bolonath Crystal: different choices have different probabilities. if we face the same situation 1 million times, we might easily do the same thing 999999 times. but it is completely unthinkable to me, that everything is completely predeterminated
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I agree
        Darren Islar: right Bolo, I think so too, but can we really 'create' our lives
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its always human mind, how it goes at the end
        Darren Islar: I don;t know, and again I can only work with the tools I have
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I would Say Darren, Yes we can
        Darren Islar: hoping to make a difference for myself and also maybe for others
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Think one moment that You are able to create Your life for now on, what would You do??
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: There is no-one stopping..
        Darren Islar: I have no idea
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, perhaps having some ideas for creation
        Darren Islar: what I try to do is to go with the flow and try to observe that and see where I can change things for my own and others benefit
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: raising little by little

    what is karma?

        Bolonath Crystal: having the possibility to create one's own life doesn't neccessarily mean, that we are free to vreate any form of life. there are rules for creation
        Darren Islar: and trying to get into contact with what really moves me
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what kind of rules BOlonanth?
        Bolonath Crystal: the rules of karma
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You can do It Darren
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: who is ruling over with Karma?
        Darren Islar: right Bolo
        Bolonath Crystal: we can only create a world, that is possible
        Bolonath Crystal: the form is limited by karma
        Darren Islar: and as a teacher once told me, karma is really about habit
        Darren Islar: that I do understand
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: For me there can be chosen if there is karma or not
        Bolonath Crystal: but we can change our karma
        Darren Islar: true bolo
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think only way to create "karma" (meaning bad karma- if thinking limitations) is to do against One-Self
        Darren Islar: but that means we really need to have a close look at our patterns and see where we can change them, against all odds and fears
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I feel not to do something, and I will still do it, I will create for my-Self negative karma
        Bolonath Crystal: right, darren
        Darren Islar: that might come with it, opening yourself to new possibilities
        Darren Islar: that I do know
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: all other is positive and there is no limits
        Bolonath Crystal: positive and negative is nothing "objective". it depends from the goal we are struggling to
        Bolonath Crystal: of*
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, thats what I think creates karma
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if doing against One-Self
        Darren Islar: yes I can't imagine that everything is positive
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: otherwice I do not see karma
        Darren Islar: wouldn't be logica
        Darren Islar: *logical
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Karma is something someone have invited to keep people in limits
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: with fears
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like in christian religion there is hell
        Darren Islar: no karma is not about fear
        Bolonath Crystal: in my eyes karma is something entirely different, cosmic :)
        Darren Islar: christianity is about fear
        Darren Islar: karma is about not knowing
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
        Darren Islar: that is misunderstood about karma
        Bolonath Crystal: karma is the law of action and reaction
        Darren Islar: being adopted in the west and dressed with guilt and fear
        Darren Islar: yes nothing more, nothing less
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Not knowing.. I think its not being aware of
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not karma
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but also
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there might be several truths with karma also
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: depending one`s own experience
        Darren Islar: maybe so, but karma is a concept
        Darren Islar: coming from the east
        Bolonath Crystal: yes, it is a matter of definition. i prefer the original iondian definition
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I feel it to be like a rucksac
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it can take off
        Darren Islar: if you use karma in a different way, I would suggest to use another name
        --BELL--
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps its also reflection ones inner to outer, this Karma. Like a magnet. What I feel to be, or what I am, I will manifest it and it will return me.
        Darren Islar: maybe
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I choose love, I will be loved
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: If I choose being rude, I will be treated rudely
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or so one
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: kind of..
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: love increase love
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: joy increse joy
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: etc
        Darren Islar: true Cosmic, but choosing love is not that easy
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes, I know
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its more easy to choose fear
        Darren Islar: having all kind of negative patterns in the way
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: because that is the most common
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but rather love
        Darren Islar: in that is where I am interested in
        Darren Islar: those patterns that get in the way
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but its not need to mind of those patterns
        Darren Islar: how can I dissolve those or change them to my benefit
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: love is also inner state of being
        Bolonath Crystal: i think, it is not that easy. there are many things that happened to me, that i didn't choose (willingly, at least)
        Darren Islar: right Bolo
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: directing attention to love, with consciously
        Darren Islar: sorry, this is a very interesting discussion, but I really need to go
        Darren Islar: another rl appointment
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Forgive, Forget, and live like You have never been hurt
        Bolonath Crystal: yes, me too
        Darren Islar: don't like to take of in the middle of something like that
        Darren Islar: *this
        Bolonath Crystal: we should continue this next time
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye Darren
        Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and Bolo
        Darren Islar: see you and thanks for the lively discussion
        Bolonath Crystal: bye everybody :) om shanti

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