Page last modified 09:16, 20 May 2010 by wol

*Wol Euler was guardian for this session.*

Yaku and I start off in Spanish, moving to German when we run out of words.

Wol Euler: morgen yaku

Yakuzza Lethecus: hola

Wol Euler: buenos dias

Yakuzza Lethecus: como estas ?

Wol Euler: muy bien gracias, y tu?

Yakuzza Lethecus: muy bien, gracias

Yakuzza Lethecus: de nada

Yakuzza Lethecus: :P

Yakuzza Lethecus: Wenn ich heute nicht den Brückentag hätte wäre ich gestern auch nicht so spät noch ins Cafe gekommen.

Wol Euler nickt.

Wol Euler: bin auch gestern erstaunlich spät hier geblieben

Wol Euler: was has du im cafe getan?

Yakuzza Lethecus: rumgestanden :)

Wol Euler: ah:)

Wol Euler: was, ganz allein und einfach so?

Yakuzza Lethecus: kira cafe

Wol Euler: jaaaaa

Yakuzza Lethecus: du und aga waren doch auch da

Wol Euler: ich?

Yakuzza Lethecus: Ähm

Wol Euler: gestern??

Yakuzza Lethecus: oh

Wol Euler grinst. Hab ich denn ein zwilling?

Yakuzza Lethecus: ich dachte ihr hättet nebeneinander gesessen :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: lol

Wol Euler: tun wir schon oft, nur nicht gestern

Wol Euler: aber wir sehen uns zur verwechslung ähnlich :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: ich werde mir übrigens kein ipad mehr kaufen :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: ich hatte kein notebook und kein pad auch wenn es nichts halbes und nichts ganzes ist ich hab mir nen subnotebook gekauft zu dem zweck :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: dieses acer 1825 ptz

Wol Euler: mmhmm, aber den ipad?

Yakuzza Lethecus: es wiegt natürlich das doppelte vom ipad

Yakuzza Lethecus: aber es hat immernoch ne echte tastatur, nen grösseren screen, 4gb arbeitsspeciher und hat alle pc schnittstellen

Yakuzza Lethecus: aber klobig und nicht so stylish

Yakuzza Lethecus: wenn ich nen notebook hätte, hätte ich mir das auch nicht gekauft :)

Darren arrives, and we switch to English.

Darren Islar: hey :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey darren

Wol Euler: morning darren

Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you this morning ?

Darren Islar: still suffering from a cold

Wol Euler: oh dear

Yakuzza Lethecus shouts, back to ur bed!

Yakuzza Lethecus: :P

Wol Euler: :)

Darren Islar: no, it is not that bad, but makes me even feel more tired then I already am

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: and being tired is why you are not resting in bed? :-P

Darren Islar: :-)

Darren Islar: different kind of tiredness

Yakuzza Lethecus: but i know that feeling, it's a different form of being tired

Yakuzza Lethecus: ys

Wol Euler: aah :)

Wol Euler: perhaps not so much tired as "empty"?

Darren Islar: hmmmm, yes that's certainly an aspect of it

Darren Islar: don't feel like doing anything

Darren Islar: Like your outfit Wol

Wol Euler smiles. Thank you, this is a favourite for when I don't feel like high fashion.

Darren Islar: I even think Liza would love it :-)

--BELL--

Darren asks the titular question.

Darren Islar: can you get an overdose of PaB?

Wol Euler grins. I have several friends who could confirm that impression :)

Darren Islar: :-)

Wol Euler: heh, one reply fits both of your lines

Darren Islar: :-)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i think the issue is not to get an overdose of pab it's that i for example don't drop in the situation as if everything is new

Yakuzza Lethecus: so expectations and habitual elements take the core out of my pabish impression

Darren Islar: well, I guess that is a good summary of what I mean

Darren Islar: it is like putting on a coat, but nothing happens anymore

Darren Islar: it feels too comfortable :-)

Wol Euler nods.

Wol Euler: is that because of hte group, or the conversations, or ...?

Who directs these sessions?

Wol Euler: sessions have a different focus when Pema is here, those I never overdose on.

Darren Islar: thinking.....

Wol Euler: but when he's away for weeks at a time, the conversation becomes diffuse.

Darren Islar: it is like you've seen it all

Darren Islar: right

Wol Euler: I feel that too, and I don't know what to do about it.

Wol Euler: what I personally could do, I mean

Darren Islar: I think Liza is trying

Wol Euler nods.

Darren Islar: but it is probably why I have dropped the question of being several times

Darren Islar: not feeling that it grows on me

Darren Islar: Pema responded by the way, for a new theme-session about that

Wol Euler: ah, good

Wol Euler: with her?

Darren Islar: but I need to watch the birds closer here, with all his spies around :-)

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Darren Islar: well I was the one that dropped it in the middle, so I got the IM

Darren Islar: but besides that, I don't know what to do about it myself also

Wol Euler: there aren't enough chiefs perhaps, we are all just indians

Darren Islar: yes, I guess so

Darren Islar: and also no 'steps' you can take except for the nine sec.

Wol Euler: I was thinking more of these sessions

Darren Islar: you know a practice

Wol Euler: of steering them as Pema does

Darren Islar: right, but a lot of times I also miss the 'how do you handle that from a beginners point of view'

Darren Islar: he has nice things to say, but it is like flying birds that won't come down

--BELL--

Darren Islar: beautiful birds I need to say

Darren Islar: (if their not spying :-))

Wol Euler: I'm not sure what the answer is, though I think I know what he'd say.

Wol Euler: if PaB is to have a life of its own, it must become self-directing

Wol Euler: as Liza has done by starting up her workshop

Darren Islar: yes, it is a choice he made

Wol Euler: it's also a practical reality, he has at least one fulltime job and can't attend every session

Darren Islar: true

Looking up to people, or not.

Yakuzza Lethecus: i often ask myself how i can get rid of my ppl i look up to here and how i can find some kind of methadone for these kinda ppl like eos and pema in books and lectures

Wol Euler: :)

Darren Islar: I don;t look up to pema that much

Darren Islar: though I think he has interesting things to tell

Darren Islar: and it is great to have a good conversation with him

Wol Euler: the point is not so much looking up to, as the question of who leads the conversation. He is one of hte few who actively leads, most (including myself, alas) let it go where it wants

Darren Islar: true

Darren Islar: but if you look up to someone it is easier to let him or her lead

Darren Islar: and looking up is probably not exactly the right word here

Darren Islar: or we are too lazy :-)

Wol Euler: :)

Wol Euler: comfortable

Darren Islar: no longer prepare ourselves for a meeting

Darren Islar: yes making it comfortable on ourselves

Darren Islar: instead of asking the hard questions

Darren Islar: (I have a feeling Pema likes where this conversation is going :-))

Wol Euler grins

Darren Islar: but I think it is both

Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't believe that there are "hard" questions, we have to drop the hard and ask the questions no matter what

--BELL--

Darren Islar: :_)

Darren Islar: even the bell is not cooperative today, belling at the wrong times :-)

Darren Islar: but you can discuss 'hard'

Wol Euler muses. What to do?

Darren Islar: good question

The title arrives.

Darren Islar: if we don't do anything we probably go back to the 'comfortable place'

Wol Euler: I suppose what we need is to address our demons and inner desires :)

Darren Islar: like we haven't even discussed this

Darren Islar: that's is the what, now the how

Darren Islar: you know the what is discussed here a lot

Darren Islar: but I miss the how

Wol Euler nods

Darren Islar: I know Cal is struggling with questions like these one too

Darren Islar: thought I can't really fill in for him

Darren Islar: but we are not the only ones I guess

Wol Euler: many of us are, actually; at least those who don't come just for conversation

Darren Islar: yes

--BELL--

Darren Islar: well I think that in this discussion you can find the essence of how we feel about it

Darren Islar: maybe something to be discussed further in the guardian session?

Wol Euler nods

Wol Euler: that's the right place for it, apart from here :)

Darren Islar: can't make it Sunday's though, 8 am is really a bad time for me

Wol Euler: I'm usually at work then, too. Perhaps this sunday

Darren Islar: and this week is filled up already

Darren Islar: well, that's is what I meant, if I really want to I can come in, but too busy for this Sunday

Wol Euler nods.

Darren Islar: I really need to watch myself, I'm afraid

Wol Euler: mmhmm

Wol Euler: don't overstretch, we've talked about this before

Darren Islar: right

Holiday.

Darren Islar: isn't there in Germany another christian holiday coming up?

Darren Islar: there is one in Holand

Darren Islar: Holland

Wol Euler: yes, next weekend, the monday

Darren Islar: and the sunday also I guess?

Wol Euler: well :)

Wol Euler: perhaps, possibly

Wol Euler: I'll try

Darren Islar: because in my book 'Pinksteren' as we call it is two days

Darren Islar: well, let me know Wol

Wol Euler: will do

Darren Islar: If you want make Liza to stutter tonight, you should show up like this :-))

Wol Euler laughs.

Wol Euler: that sounds like a challenge to her ability to concentrate

Darren Islar: hahaha

Wol Euler: "be mindful!"

Darren Islar: I am going

Yakuzza Lethecus: bye you both

Wol Euler: bye darren, rest up and get better

Wol Euler: go back to bed

Yakuzza Lethecus: take care

Darren Islar: thanks for the discussion

Darren Islar: cu

Wol Euler: bye yaku, take care, see you later

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