2010.05.17 01:00 - water and dragons

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Tarmel Udimo.

    Tarmel Udimo: Hi Liza:)
    Liza Deischer: hey Tarmel :_)
    Tarmel Udimo: hows it going?
    Tarmel Udimo: thats a pretty groovy outfit
    Liza Deischer: sorry, zat nog even in IM
    Liza Deischer: I mean, I had still an IM to answer :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: no worries
    Liza Deischer: thanks
    Liza Deischer: and it was in Dutch :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhh
    Liza Deischer: You have a friend with you
    Tarmel Udimo: yes kaju, my dragon, haven't pulled him out for a while now
    Tarmel Udimo: I couldn't go anywhere with out him before:)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: making noise also :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes and can fly
    Liza Deischer: hmmmm, looks pretty nice
    Tarmel Udimo: spoke to darren the other day:)
    Liza Deischer: ah, last week yes
    Liza Deischer: I've got a thing for water and a thing for dragons :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: oh yeah, me too
    Tarmel Udimo: what do you like about them?
    Liza Deischer: water is more Darren, but it is smooth, soothing, always running
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: couldn't live without a bath
    Liza Deischer: but can also be roaring and hard and making a lot of noise
    Liza Deischer: I like the showers
    Liza Deischer: running water
    Liza Deischer: And dragons, hard to say
    Liza Deischer: never asked myself that question actually
    Tarmel Udimo: ok:)
    Liza Deischer: how about you?
    Tarmel Udimo: I think its something to do with memory patterns


    Tarmel Udimo: for humans
    Tarmel Udimo: its the mythical part of us
    Liza Deischer: undefined
    Tarmel Udimo: the part that longs for fairies and elves and magical things to happen
    Liza Deischer: it is the guardian of the treasure
    Liza Deischer: (just pondering)
    Liza Deischer: pretty fearceful too
    Tarmel Udimo: yes and meant to be lucky in asian astrology
    Tarmel Udimo: so its kind of a hero animal
    Tarmel Udimo: they help humans but don't need them
    Liza Deischer: the best sign you can have in Chinese astrology
    Liza Deischer: didn't notice it though :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: hahahah
    Tarmel Udimo: well its what you make of it isn't it
    Liza Deischer: true :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: I have some very nice 'boar' freinds and they are having a great time..
    Liza Deischer: but before I knew that dragons always appealed to me
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah me too
    Tarmel Udimo: too bad they are not around any more
    Tarmel Udimo: well there's the lizard variety
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: so did you have a good weekend?
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: tiring thought
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: went to a mind body spirit festival
    Tarmel Udimo: had a treatment
    Liza Deischer: okay
    Liza Deischer: you like to say more about it ?
    Tarmel Udimo: it was packed, guess there are lost of new agers out there
    Tarmel Udimo: lots
    Tarmel Udimo: its for all the alternative therapies
    Liza Deischer: (nice typo:-))
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah:)
    Liza Deischer: and you had a treatment there
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah acuenergenics
    Tarmel Udimo: energy clearing for the meridians
    Tarmel Udimo: felt good
    Tarmel Udimo: and then went and had a 90min massage
    Tarmel Udimo: total indulegence weekend:)
    Liza Deischer: oooohhhhh
    Tarmel Udimo: yeah
    Liza Deischer: :-) I envy you :-)
    Liza Deischer: so you're a pretty new Tarmel today :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: finally found someone who does deep tissue massage, like really gets in there
    Tarmel Udimo: my body has some chronic problems and
    Liza Deischer: so really opening up things
    Tarmel Udimo: I have decdied to work at fixing them
    Tarmel Udimo: yes opening, releasing
    Tarmel Udimo: you know we talked about the fact that the body has memory patterns
    Tarmel Udimo: just as our thoughts do
    Liza Deischer: mmhmm
    Tarmel Udimo: and I've been trying in the mornings
    Tarmel Udimo: of instead of falling into creating the same feeling state or mental thoughts


    Tarmel Udimo: or inserting new ones
    Tarmel Udimo: or at least not the same ones
    Tarmel Udimo: and its kinda working
    Liza Deischer: great
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: not seeing or relating to myself as someone who has a chronic sore neck for instance
    Liza Deischer: and how does that work for you?
    Tarmel Udimo: I was so fedup with my physcal state
    Liza Deischer: ah
    Tarmel Udimo: that I realised that I had mentally been reienforcing it as well
    Liza Deischer: hmmmm yes, that happens
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: identifying yourself with those chronic issues
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: but you know I am more and more convinced underling most of it is a subtle but ongoing issue of fear based anxiety
    Liza Deischer: and even if you can't do anything about the chronic state, you can do something about the way you approach it
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: interesting, for most people hard to acknowledge
    Tarmel Udimo: but you know changing my approach has already changed the pain
    Tarmel Udimo: do you mean understanding that fear lies in wait:)
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: I think being able to recognising it comes from deeply wanting change
    Tarmel Udimo: and when you drop the filters - there it is
    Tarmel Udimo: its probably on a celluar level
    Liza Deischer: quite right
    Liza Deischer: but that only happens if you are willing to look really closely at yourself
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: as you say, deeply wanting change
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: have any ideas about the fear?
    Liza Deischer: well, to me it is also mixed with a trauma
    Liza Deischer: but to a certain extent I guess we all know the fear
    Liza Deischer: you need to face it in the dying process I guess
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: being alone
    Liza Deischer: going to a place that is not known at all
    Tarmel Udimo: and the fear must be around recongising that one will die
    Tarmel Udimo: or should i say
    Liza Deischer: yes I think so
    Tarmel Udimo: knowing that its on the horizen
    Liza Deischer: every moment of the day
    Tarmel Udimo: I wander whether the cells recognise this
    Tarmel Udimo: or whether its the ego's fear
    Tarmel Udimo: or the fear of the mind
    Liza Deischer: I think it is ego
    Liza Deischer: and maybe you can also find it on a celluar level
    Liza Deischer: mind and body going along with each other
    Liza Deischer: but I don't know about that
    Tarmel Udimo: yes sure of course
    Liza Deischer: I feel that when I really think of dying, right now
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: that my ego is torned apart


    Tarmel Udimo: yes I am suspecting ego
    Tarmel Udimo: because the cells accept what is
    Liza Deischer: ego need to let go in the dying process
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: and perhaps because it dies and is birthed every moment
    Tarmel Udimo: maybe it is always aware of its death at each passing moment
    Liza Deischer: which clarifies the constant underlying fear at a subtle level
    Tarmel Udimo: yes I think so
    Tarmel Udimo: go team!
    Liza Deischer: huh?
    Tarmel Udimo: you now its an english saying
    Tarmel Udimo: like we're part of 'team'
    Tarmel Udimo: figuring it all out
    Tarmel Udimo: so you say: 'team work'
    Liza Deischer: ah :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: do you have many dutch SL friends?
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: it just happened, not looking for it
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Tarmel Udimo: I only have one Australian friend
    Tarmel Udimo: in SL
    Liza Deischer: but got by accident on a Dutch sim, when I just started
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Liza Deischer: they helped me a lot
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: so I have a place there
    Tarmel Udimo: and have you met any in RL?
    Liza Deischer: no
    Tarmel Udimo: ah
    Tarmel Udimo: because Pema said in japan
    Tarmel Udimo: its very much both
    Tarmel Udimo: SL is all about also meeting in RL
    Liza Deischer: well, it takes time
    Tarmel Udimo: I think this would be nice
    Liza Deischer: just being 6 months old
    Liza Deischer: and there are some I don't want to meet :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: sure
    Tarmel Udimo: I think he means there are SL/RL clubs and cafes
    Liza Deischer: I don't know what he said, I do know that he feels that way about PaB
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: I have met some Pabers in RL
    Liza Deischer: and there are reasons for it
    Tarmel Udimo: but had to travel to another country though
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: :)
    Tarmel Udimo: perhaps he's trying for a deeping of the community
    Liza Deischer: my chornic fatigue is not going to let me I'm afraid
    Liza Deischer: yes I think so
    Tarmel Udimo: ahh that's too bad
    Liza Deischer: there is so much you can do in sl
    Tarmel Udimo: but I am sure we could all cope
    Liza Deischer: also not knowing what is happening on the other side of the screen
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Tarmel Udimo: I guess I've got use to the fact I won't know
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: and I am less suspicious now
    Tarmel Udimo: most people are who they appear to be
    Liza Deischer: I think it depends on where you are in sl
    Tarmel Udimo: yes of course
    Liza Deischer: but in the end you go find the same kind of people you know back home
    Tarmel Udimo: ahhaha
    Tarmel Udimo: you could be right
    Liza Deischer: and when you find the places to go, it settles
    Liza Deischer: even being able to build up true friendship
    Tarmel Udimo: yes
    Liza Deischer: and the latter takes up as much time as in rl :-)
    Liza Deischer: everything else going faster in sl
    Tarmel Udimo: yes true enough
    Liza Deischer: sure :-)

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