2010.05.17 19:00 - Carpet Ride

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.

    So many of the sessions where I am GoC have no common thread, and this session seems to be one of them. Eliza and Cal were in the pavilion when I arrived late...Fael and Steve arrived later... Topics included SL oddities, Drop Day exercises, Festivals and Ice Cream trucks, Fael's beautiful purple dress made for twirling, fatty food and orbs of sin (doughnuts), jumping in the fountain, and a spooky house called Winchester house in California...


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Whatcha up to? heh
    Calvino Rabeni: SL oddities, like unexpected floating....
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon! :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi SSL, good evening :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I only see 2 pillows, the ones you're sitting on
    Eliza Madrigal: Cute hat Sharon :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to stand like this but i see no pillows, and Eliza has no hair at all, but everything else is completely rezzed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its the strangest thing
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm...
    Eliza Madrigal: Cal was floating a minute ago
    Eliza Madrigal: So SL is playing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Strangely though, you rezzed a cushion but to my sight are sitting on the floor!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry I'm late I ran in through the door like i was being chased^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe, No worries
    SophiaSharon Larnia: your hairs back , will be a sec i guess
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a round pillow belonging to moon
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Calvino Rabeni: now your'e on it
    Eliza Madrigal: yup
    Calvino Rabeni: and it is on the usual blue zafu
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dont mind me, you were saying? ;)
    Eliza Madrigal: Not much yet :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, pretty much the same!
    Calvino Rabeni: Like, SL has odd behavior
    Calvino Rabeni: SSL has one arm raised
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did you claim the log??
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i do??
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, everything appears as normal now
    Eliza Madrigal: I did but please feel free :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think im going to ignore this, sorry :)))

    SophiaSharon Larnia: I did the drop day on Saturday :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and scribbled notes
    Eliza Madrigal: During the concert?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, great... will you share the notes?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it was an festival, a 3 day camping thing
    Calvino Rabeni: What concert were you in,
    Calvino Rabeni: OK
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i didnt camp this time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i will eventually :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but you have before? that's so neat
    Eliza Madrigal remembers sleeping out for concert tickets...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i used to love that sort of thing
    Calvino Rabeni: I saw several posters for such events recently
    SophiaSharon Larnia: folk festivals mostly
    SophiaSharon Larnia: at the point now where i just the drive in camper ^^
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i just want** i meant
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh idea... PaB winnebego
    SophiaSharon Larnia: pab on the road
    Calvino Rabeni: !!! Imagining a traveling vehicle with a loudspeaker
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and bam, all the cushions rez
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it sure would get attention..... and sound like a cult LOL
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: We already went over the checklist and decided we're not a cult
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods nods :P
    Calvino Rabeni: Some countries have these - they go down the road, loudspeakers blaring to advertise an event or a political party
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we do too, its called the ice cream truck
    Eliza Madrigal: ahahahha
    Calvino Rabeni: There is probably a law about it in the US - because it ONLY happens for ice cream
    Calvino Rabeni: imagine that - the one exception, mmm, why?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: free speech vs public disturbance ie harrassment
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, ice cream gets a free pass
    Calvino Rabeni: What would happen, if you had a truck that sold hot dogs instead? (or some other traditional food)
    Calvino Rabeni: Or, if it used speech instead of music?
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, i give passes out to anyone with ice cream

    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fael!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael!
    Calvino Rabeni: Suppose there were a truck that just went down the road laughing
    Eliza Madrigal: You're up late again... hayfever?
    Calvino Rabeni: or saying :)meep
    Eliza Madrigal: wow.... looking stunning too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: zooms in on Fael ^^^
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Imagining the truck going down the road meeping.'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: beautiful
    Fael Illyar beams happily.
    Calvino Rabeni: All eyes on Fael
    Calvino Rabeni: It's rather floral
    Calvino Rabeni: When U first appeared I thought it could be Moon
    Fael Illyar: Moon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whats a twirling purplishous?
    Fael Illyar: I'm not sure if hay fever has it's part in me being here but maybe.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Moon Fargis has many plants / flowers - that part of the avatar
    Fael Illyar: Twirling Purplishous is what Bleu called me when I bumped into her a few hours ago :)
    Calvino Rabeni: The wings remind me of the vapours of scent from the flower
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: youre floating
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni is tempted
    Eliza Madrigal: wow
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its mermaidesque
    Fael Illyar: there :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Fael Illyar: can't quite snapshot that, unfortunately :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i can not I am not on my own computer and the graphics are terrible
    Calvino Rabeni: SL has no video camera yet ?
    Fael Illyar: as far as I'm aware, no video camera for SL so far
    SophiaSharon Larnia: theres a way thats done, but i forget how, ive seen many youtube videos like that
    Fael Illyar: of course, I think any program can be recorded in some way
    Eliza Madrigal: people do seem to make 'movies' in SL
    Fael Illyar: but the last I tried any of those, it used up so much power from the system that the picture ended up choppy

    SophiaSharon Larnia: but yes, Eliza, re drop day, i meant to write haikus, but the 5-7-5 required more concentration than felt right for the moment
    Eliza Madrigal nods... understand
    Eliza Madrigal: I took very simple notes, and Pema wrote a mini book! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so i went through the alphebet instead LOL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh??? is it posted?
    Eliza Madrigal nods... in contributions
    Eliza Madrigal: the alphabet??
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: that's wonderful
    Calvino Rabeni: A is for Alphabet
    Calvino Rabeni: B is for Being
    Calvino Rabeni: C is for ....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, the alliteration felt good
    Fael Illyar: meep :)
    Fael Illyar: oh right, I also got called meeplishious :)
    Eliza Madrigal: look forward to reading that Sharon... am impressed that you took them during a festival
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Fael
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni is imaginging, Play as Being as a children's book
    Calvino Rabeni: Or written by Dr. Seuss
    SophiaSharon Larnia: frozen?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oops now Im not, sorry computer probs
    Eliza Madrigal: 'you're frozen... when your heart's not open...."
    Calvino Rabeni: I bit, Sharon I guess - droping in and out of "away" status quickly
    Eliza Madrigal: madonna's best album :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: why not? nice idea Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: It could work, yes !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm, im ignoring that too *dropped*
    Fael Illyar looks confused about the conversation.
    Eliza Madrigal: then you fit right in Fael :)
    Fael Illyar: haha :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it has a dr suess flavor, what i wrote
    Eliza Madrigal loves the dr
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a saying - not sure whose - "If you aren't confused, then you haven't been paying attention"
    Calvino Rabeni: But the children just ride with it
    Calvino Rabeni: On a carpet of nonsense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and the adults pick it apart?
    Fael Illyar: ah yes, true :)
    Calvino Rabeni: A magic carpet that shouldn't really be able to fly
    Calvino Rabeni: ... but it does!
    Calvino Rabeni: That is "language" :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we were born to fly
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fael Illyar: well, I do sometimes carpet meeps but...
    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, you are up late Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hi ELiza, Cal and Shophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Fael Illyar: Yes, woke up, made breakfast, come to computer, looked at my email, read an article, looked at the time.... O.O it's 5:30AM?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :O ive done that many times
    stevenaia Michinaga: I do that now and then and catch the 1:00 am session in progress
    Calvino Rabeni: With me, it's 7am session
    Fael Illyar: almost went back to bed but figured I'd come see if there's something interesting going on :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I enjoy when I catch moon's plantings
    Calvino Rabeni: You were it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just my first night session, nothing :))))
    Fael Illyar: haha :)
    Eliza Madrigal tries to think of ways to be more entertaining
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni is dullsville
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry , all energized on green tea with ginseng lol
    Calvino Rabeni: OI
    Fael Illyar: Well, I am trying to get the hang of keeping my hay fever at bay by ... umm... accepting it.
    Eliza Madrigal: wow... in IM someone ws just telling me about green teas...
    Eliza Madrigal: with ginseng
    Eliza Madrigal: and I'm not kidding :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and nods
    Fael Illyar: quite difficult if I may say :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles... didn't realize it can be so expensive
    Eliza Madrigal: like a wine
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Fael, hard to ignore :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: good always has it's price
    Fael Illyar: green tea has become an artform too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i got it cheaper this weekend
    stevenaia Michinaga: good did or tea did?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... was just looking at these sites of various kinds...
    Fael Illyar: I've got a small can of powdered macha tea in the cupboard still... I think bout half is left
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a tea store in San Francisco - sells the high priced varietals, like with wine
    Eliza Madrigal: guess it can have a following ... tastings and such
    Fael Illyar: it was like 10 euros, a small can
    Calvino Rabeni: I prefer as the old standby - Gunpowder Green
    Calvino Rabeni: About 16 euros / kg, in bulk
    Eliza Madrigal: I learned that the macha green tea at starbucks can be asked for without syrup
    Eliza Madrigal: making it far better :)
    Calvino Rabeni: !!! Wow
    Fael Illyar: urgh, they put syrup in it unless you ask them not to?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: urgh yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome to the usa
    Eliza Madrigal: unless it is a starbucks that isn't really a starbucks
    Calvino Rabeni: I thought it came together, syrup and all
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed Sharon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nope... they add it so you can ask them to leave it out
    Calvino Rabeni: A part of life - deconstructed
    Fael Illyar can well see how some people get the idea to ask "ok, so who do I shoot?"

    SophiaSharon Larnia: they are now saying studies show that pesticides do indeed cause adhd in children
    SophiaSharon Larnia: doh
    Eliza Madrigal: parents know all these things but are talked out of it by 'studies'
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont think they ask, Fael
    Calvino Rabeni: Also, that saturated fats don't raise risk of heart disease
    Eliza Madrigal: until years later they come back and say "Oh... wait..."
    Calvino Rabeni: You can put butter etc, back on the list and "drop" all the skim milk
    Eliza Madrigal never took butter off her list :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Calvino Rabeni: Full fat flavors - don't result in full fat people
    Fael Illyar: I've ignored the low fat craze myself ... well ok, not. I'm still on the lookout and avoid anything low fat.
    Calvino Rabeni: Odd, hun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Fael
    Eliza Madrigal: it has to be about paying attention....
    Fael Illyar: sometimes it's the only option though :/
    Fael Illyar grumbles.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and much cheaper
    Calvino Rabeni: Rye is a good grain
    Calvino Rabeni: Not popular enough in the US
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs :))
    Eliza Madrigal likes the 'eat what you want but walk a lot' model
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that is a good diet plan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: didnt work for me, but then again, they say stuff you do at work doesnt count
    SophiaSharon Larnia: walk what you want but eat a lot
    Calvino Rabeni: My diet plan is - eat anything once and a while, but watch the habits
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder why
    Eliza Madrigal giggles at Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ;p
    Calvino Rabeni: Like, a donut once a year is fine
    Fael Illyar: I can't say I have a plan :) I eat what I felt like buying at the shop :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh donuts are the devil ;-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a donut once a day is fine
    Calvino Rabeni: but twice a week at the office, probably not good
    SophiaSharon Larnia: orbs of sin
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles hysterically
    Calvino Rabeni: Sinfully Delicious
    Calvino Rabeni: Chances are that phrase is trademarked :)
    Fael Illyar: unbelievably diffcult to not rub my eyes every once in a while.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles, too much sugar will make it hard to concentrate
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs, Fael I got that :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry i have not been very introspective tonight, do I have time to redeem myself....
    Calvino Rabeni: What about root vegetables - do they help one feel "grounded"? Calvino Rabeni thinks so
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) not as good as leafy
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni is getting dizzy, averts gaze
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Fael Illyar: flower garden :)
    Eliza Madrigal: water lilies
    Eliza Madrigal: :::kersplash::::
    SophiaSharon Larnia: why are we in the Fountain LOL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: jumpin up and down???
    Eliza Madrigal: playing as jumping beings
    stevenaia Michinaga: because we can
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if i crash its my fault
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :P
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    stevenaia Michinaga: earlier I flew up to 20,000 meters
    SophiaSharon Larnia: uhoh byebye
    Eliza Madrigal: with a feather?
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sharon!
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Fael Illyar: Well, I better head back to bed. Thank you for the distraction :)
    Calvino Rabeni: If you had a big enough graphics card, you could see the "ground" then?
    stevenaia Michinaga: nothing up there
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Fael, feel better :)
    Fael Illyar: Have fun everyone :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: help im all the way to reiul i think!!!!
    stevenaia Michinaga: don't think I do, but I saw the moon
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye!
    stevenaia Michinaga: and the stars
    Fael Illyar waves meeplishiously.
    Eliza Madrigal: yikes Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: am i still there???
    Eliza Madrigal looks around wonderingly
    Eliza Madrigal still sees your typing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: omg im in space now holy moly
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im off the grid
    Eliza Madrigal: playing as being in space... off the grid...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: weirdness
    Eliza Madrigal: fael signed off and is still here
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, there she goes
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm... should go to bed
    stevenaia Michinaga: shoes getting wet
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have a great night all
    Eliza Madrigal: you can warm them in your fire feet Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Sharon, thanks
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Steve and Cal :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :::waves::::
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    stevenaia Michinaga: that should dry them out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this computer is slow, im not moving :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Steve has "hot foot"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whoa Steve :))
    Calvino Rabeni: That is the script you flew to 20,000?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, that was a feather thing
    stevenaia Michinaga: no fire needed there
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah
    stevenaia Michinaga: no air
    Calvino Rabeni: There are secret buildings up there?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not that high that I found
    Calvino Rabeni: SL is mostly flatland - there's the occasional very high platform
    Calvino Rabeni: One wish I have, is the ability to dig into the "ground" here
    Calvino Rabeni: to excavate basements or caverns
    Calvino Rabeni: In RL, the inside of the earth is mysterious
    Calvino Rabeni: So a SL version of that would be fun
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was actually hoping you dould make something bigger on the inside than the outside\
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes me also!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you could raise a sim as high as it could go, then make tunnels, but it wouldnt be the same
    Calvino Rabeni: Regular 3d geometry - why stick with that?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have tp points
    stevenaia Michinaga: time for me to go, back to 3d world
    stevenaia Michinaga: world
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye steve :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a project that simulated the hypercube in SL
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
    Calvino Rabeni: I forgot the sim name. It was a room, a cube, I think it seemed to go on in every direction inside - or maybe it looped around so you would walk in one direction and keep coming back again after awhile to the same point
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure how that was scripted
    SophiaSharon Larnia: cool
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, or the walls moved
    Calvino Rabeni: Some trick, it made the inside appear larger than the outside
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ohh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe the floor was moving?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i wish i could see it
    Calvino Rabeni: If I find it again I'll send you the landmark - not sure it still exists
    SophiaSharon Larnia: have you ever heard of the Winchester house in California?
    Calvino Rabeni: !!! I was just thinking that very thing !!!
    Calvino Rabeni: Spooky :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Have you been there, I take it?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i just saw a book on that last week, and pictures are spetactular
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no i havent just thought it was interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: It's in San Jose CA
    Calvino Rabeni: I used to live nearby
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, i'll check that out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: am having trouble finding pictures that are not a tourist site
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you did?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: did you see it
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgxXdJ-E5Cw
    Calvino Rabeni: That's for the log - a long video
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if i crash its my fault
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh LOL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ill look later
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Naturally, there's a big Halloween event there
    Calvino Rabeni: (or used to be?)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm thinking the woman who owned it was racked by guilt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and was insane
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that's the idea
    Calvino Rabeni: She believed, the ghosts of the people killed with the winchester rifle were out to get her
    Calvino Rabeni: she inherited the fortune, and it felt like blood money
    SophiaSharon Larnia: jury is still out weither i beleive in any of that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: so she had a house that was intended to confuse the ghosts
    Calvino Rabeni: who I guess aren't too bright
    SophiaSharon Larnia: right? lol\
    Calvino Rabeni: And thus the house was continuously being built upon for the rest of her days
    Calvino Rabeni: and she lived a long time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gues no, Go TO feature in the spirit world
    Calvino Rabeni: Apparently these ghosts can't Teleport, right
    Calvino Rabeni: So they wander, and are trapped in the mazes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what did you think of it
    Calvino Rabeni: In eastern terms, that would be a Bardo realm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: feel anything? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: If she had a spiritual advisor from the east, there might have been other options
    Calvino Rabeni: When I was traveling in thailand, I noticed the beliefs in ghosts there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: she could have also given the money away to charity
    Calvino Rabeni: As a redemption - yes
    Calvino Rabeni: a lot depended on that psychic advisor, maybe a "medium"
    Calvino Rabeni: Were it me, I would have divested of the fortune
    Calvino Rabeni: The house is interesting, but I felt it doesn't have a healthy relation to the spirit world
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think i may have also, if i thought the idea had some merit
    Calvino Rabeni: but it is a kind of testament to human imagination
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it wasnt meant too
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe not a positive image thoug
    SophiaSharon Larnia: be a healthy relation
    Calvino Rabeni: really it's a kind of ghost world built into RL with lumber
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i was taken by how beautiful the items in the house were
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and rooms of supplies for furthur building
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i windered if it would just feel like sorrow
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I suppose, the ghosts did need Quality
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wondered*
    Calvino Rabeni: I think you're right about that Sharon, it has a sorrowful atmosphere I would say
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: I tried to imagine it otherwise
    SophiaSharon Larnia: full of light?
    Calvino Rabeni: As a place the killed spirits could go to be healed, and then move on
    Calvino Rabeni: What would it have lookd like if built with that in mind...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: a big open plan, no walls
    Calvino Rabeni: Brighter colors
    Calvino Rabeni: Open celings, right, no dead end passages
    SophiaSharon Larnia: skylights
    Calvino Rabeni: Spheres of light
    Calvino Rabeni: Mabye altars with pictures of the loved ones - the survivors
    Calvino Rabeni: which is interesting - it is a reverse of the things one sees in a mausoleum
    Calvino Rabeni: but from that point of view, the ghosts would need it
    Calvino Rabeni: pictures of the living, not of the dead
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: if there is such a thing, and i can not commit to that it would be better
    Calvino Rabeni: And living people would come and leave offerings
    Calvino Rabeni: some of which would go to support the familes of the killed people
    SophiaSharon Larnia: guns dont kill people, people kill people
    Calvino Rabeni: It's a projection of spiritual views to the "other side"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Sorry, that slogan always makes me sad
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes sorry
    Calvino Rabeni: NP :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, maybe ill take it out of the log then *gasps*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im so tired, despite the green tea with ginseng ^^
    Calvino Rabeni: As you wish, for the best feeling about reality
    Calvino Rabeni: Over tired, sometimes makes it hard to relax into rest
    Calvino Rabeni: It can be hard to "come down"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im so used to having to be exhausted before i can fall asleep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that the last few weeks have been strange for me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and I havent slept much :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Some professions have that as a feature
    Calvino Rabeni: Pushing against sleep deprivation
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes caffeine backfires on me
    Calvino Rabeni: and puts me to sleep
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ive fallen asleep shaking from too much caffeine :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oddly enough
    SophiaSharon Larnia: terrible to do that to oneself
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe that
    Calvino Rabeni: I used to be a Workaholic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Now I'm "in recovery" :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    Calvino Rabeni: I would actually, have attended 12-step programs for it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i'm gysying around a bit myself, these days
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gypsying*
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, I'm Calvino, and I'm a Workaholic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Calvino ^^
    Calvino Rabeni: Step one - Admited one was powerless over Work.
    Calvino Rabeni: Not just being "flip" here actually
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I didnt think you were Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: I think the program would be helpful
    SophiaSharon Larnia: to some yes.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: some people have dug themselves in quite a large financial hole
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, to some.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bought the story
    Calvino Rabeni: It's an addiction that helps one's financial status and social status, probably also the economy
    Calvino Rabeni: and doesn't really compare to the suffering of people with alcohol / drug abuse
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes they go together., though
    Calvino Rabeni: EIther in the individual, or in the family
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe the family as a few addicts, alcoholics, and a few high performer type A personalities
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Calvino, have to log off :)))
    Calvino Rabeni: they try to hold it together for tothers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: OK SSL, glad to see you : :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!!
    Calvino Rabeni: Be well, sleep well
    Calvino Rabeni: sweet dreams
    SophiaSharon Larnia: take care :)
    Calvino Rabeni: BYE
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