2010.05.18 01:00 - Body choice

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    Wester Kiranov: !

    Liza Deischer: hey Wester, Cal

    Calvino Rabeni: Hello

    Wester Kiranov: hi cal, liza

    Liza Deischer: one moment you're alone, the next you're in a sandwich :-)


    Wester Kiranov: :-P

    Qt Core: hi all

    Wester Kiranov: hi qt

    Liza Deischer: hi QT

    Qt Core: any nice topix today (i've heard the word sandwitch... a nice word ;-) )

    Wester Kiranov: you all came in at the same time, so we weren't really talking about anything yet. suggestions, anyone?

    Liza Deischer: the effect of coffee?

    Calvino Rabeni: and tea?

    Qt Core: or cold milk

    Wester Kiranov: things that make us sleepy and awake?

    Wester Kiranov: I woke up an hour earlier than planned this morning because the alarm clock was set wrong. But strangely, if anything I'm more awake than usually at this time.

    Liza Deischer: my body alsways needs time to wake up

    Liza Deischer: so to me it makes sense

    Calvino Rabeni: Mine too

    Qt Core: lukily i can be online in a few minutres after wakingt up... unless i'm sick like today, quite a foggy mind

    Liza Deischer: and my body reacts with sleepyness the day after

    Calvino Rabeni: Lately I have a stretching / movement routine I do when waking - body hasn't yet learned that it will be good for it, so it complains

    Calvino Rabeni: I tell it - remember yesterday ?

    Wester Kiranov: :-)

    Liza Deischer: yes body's do learn

    Calvino Rabeni: Funy how sleeping can be more tense than being awake

    Liza Deischer: and they can be tought to do the wrong things

    Liza Deischer: and complain if you start doing it right

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I thought about that earlier today Liza

    Liza Deischer: you're having a cold QT?

    Calvino Rabeni: About standing up straight

    Liza Deischer: yes

    Qt Core: big throatache at the moment, nothing serious but i didn't feel good enough to drive to work

    Liza Deischer: ah

    Liza Deischer: well, you're welcome :-)


    Qt Core: ty

    Liza Deischer: for your nformation we did an exercise yesterday about standing up straight and how that feels

    Wester Kiranov: ok

    Calvino Rabeni: Not like a straignt line, eh?

    Liza Deischer: depends on the points you line up :-)

    Wester Kiranov: The strange thing is that knowing how good it feels to stand up straight (and things like that) does not make you do it all the time

    Liza Deischer: choosing the easy way

    Calvino Rabeni: What does chronic tension feel like?

    Liza Deischer: and we don't get stimulated any more to do it the right way

    Wester Kiranov: it's not even choosing, it's forgetting. I have just relaxed my shoulders because this reminded me it's good to do that

    Qt Core: i think that if i stand up straight here where i am i will strongly feel the only defect my desk position has, i will not be parallel to any of the wall... i feel a little silly to feel like that

    Liza Deischer: the choice of your body I mean

    Liza Deischer: don't quite get it QT

    Wester Kiranov: that's interesting... *ponders body choice*

    Liza Deischer: I mean don't understand what you try to say

    Liza Deischer: I guess Cal it can feel in many different ways

    Qt Core: i like to be at the same orientation of at least one of the walls surrounding me, if i'm inside

    Qt Core: while my current sitting position is at 45 degrees

    Liza Deischer: ah

    Wester Kiranov: so you only want to be parallel if you're standing?

    Qt Core: but i don't usually notice it as i'm "inside" the thing i'm doing with the pc

    Qt Core: not really obsessed with it but i notice it

    Liza Deischer: wll, let me put it this way Wester, I feel like if we don't stimulate our body, our body will always choose the easy way out

    Wester Kiranov: you're probably right liza

    Wester Kiranov: so we have to stimulate it

    Liza Deischer: If we don't use our muscles, the body won't use it either in a natural way

    Calvino Rabeni: Who is in control?

    Wester Kiranov: i thinks the question is more how much you let inertia control you

    Liza Deischer: I don't think the body can think of its own

    Calvino Rabeni: I think, inertia doesn't exist

    Liza Deischer: it is remembering and reflexes

    Calvino Rabeni: And in fact the body thinks on its own mostly

    Wester Kiranov: how do you mean that cal, no inertia?

    Liza Deischer: ah yes Cal, I understand what you mean

    Calvino Rabeni: Inertia is a concept from physics, about non-living objects

    Liza Deischer: but I think that is not what I mean :_)

    Calvino Rabeni: but the body is celular and always moving constantly

    Calvino Rabeni: It just doesn't apply

    Wester Kiranov: I meant metaphorical inertia, not literal

    Calvino Rabeni: The body when "held' still by the mind, is the source of tension

    Liza Deischer: no, but you get Westers drift


    Liza Deischer: I should say if the body is not in line with the mind and vise versa

    Calvino Rabeni: That would cause tension

    Liza Deischer: both parts can be too active

    Calvino Rabeni: Why would it be "too"?

    Liza Deischer: in your example, sitting behind a computer, with an inactive body, means that your body is not able to get rid of the stress hormones that are produced

    Liza Deischer: mind is too active for the body

    Calvino Rabeni: Or vice versa Liza

    Liza Deischer: yep

    Calvino Rabeni: That's the mismatch is the issue

    Calvino Rabeni: It creates mental energy not handled by the body

    Calvino Rabeni: which builds up and stagnates

    Liza Deischer: the body doesn't now what to do with that much mental energy, only by taking it for a walk or something els that is making the body active

    Calvino Rabeni: Not my experience,I feel, the problem is the mind inhibiting what the body knows naturally what to do

    Qt Core: i' always surprised when i have to admit how good made me feel going to the gym

    Calvino Rabeni: I feel the body does know what to do

    Calvino Rabeni: but gets mentally inhibited

    Liza Deischer: well, as I said, the body can't think of its own

    Calvino Rabeni: I just disagree sorry

    Liza Deischer: it acts on impulses, so I agree :-)

    Qt Core: maybe it can, in a wild settings, we are human since so a little time ;-)

    Wester Kiranov: are you sure you mean the same thing by "the body thinking"?

    Calvino Rabeni: yes

    Liza Deischer: no

    Calvino Rabeni: ?

    Calvino Rabeni: I meant yes to Qt, not to that question

    Liza Deischer: I'm not sure, we need to define it

    Liza Deischer: but looking at the clock, I need to go

    Liza Deischer: an rl appointment

    Liza Deischer: sorry

    Qt Core: bye Liza, have a nice day

    Liza Deischer: same to you, sleep well Ca;

    Wester Kiranov: bye liza, ty

    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, have a good day too

    Wester Kiranov: i will have to go pretty soon as well - my rl is calling too

    Wester Kiranov: so, feel free to stay a bit more, but i'm leaving too. bye

    Calvino Rabeni: Bye, wester :)

    Qt Core: ok, bye Wester


    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking Being is a "wild setting"

    Calvino Rabeni: An idea to sleep on, perhaps

    Qt Core: :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: So with that I'll take my leave

    Calvino Rabeni: Live long and prosper, QT

    Qt Core: ok, sleep well

    Calvino Rabeni: :)

    Qt Core: :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: Bye

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