2010.05.21 01:00 - Ausbaden

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    Wol Euler was guardian for this session, and will add comments later.


    Wol Euler: good morning, calvino

    Calvino Rabeni: Good ... is it morning already?

    Wol Euler: for certain values of "here", yes.

    Calvino Rabeni: So you have certain values of "birds" then

    Wol Euler: you're up late, I infer?

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Wol Euler: nice AO, btw, the first one that I've *seen*

    Wol Euler: looks good

    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks


    Calvino Rabeni: Good morning Darren !

    Wol Euler: morning darren

    Darren Islar: morning Cal, Wol

    Wol Euler keeps getting distracted by noobs flying past behind her

    Wol Euler: how is everyone on this wonderful Friday?

    Darren Islar: you'd beter don't ask

    Wol Euler: oh dear

    Darren Islar: not something I want to discuss here

    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, not everything bears discussion here

    Darren Islar: no, but can't lie to two friends of mine :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: I like that answer better than "Fine" :))

    Wol Euler reaches across and gives your hand a squeeze.

    Darren Islar: thanks Wol

    Darren Islar smiles

    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni gives Darren a look of appreciation

    Wol Euler: here's an idea for a meditation exercise: Appreciate the Presence of Unhappiness as a Presentation by Being

    Darren Islar: yes :-)

    Wol Euler: sit in it, rather than fighting it or being crushed by it

    Wol Euler: (maybe that's not humanly possible, I don't know, the idea just occurred to me)

    Calvino Rabeni: My father was a master of this technique, by the way

    Wol Euler: say more?

    Calvino Rabeni: "There's nothing like a good Sulk" he would say

    Wol Euler chuckles

    Darren Islar: well, I'm not trying to avoid it

    Darren Islar: that doesn't work I can say from my own experience I'm afraid

    Wol Euler nods.

    Darren Islar: And something has been grwoing in the last few years

    Darren Islar: because there is something that is still standing up inside

    Calvino Rabeni: My thought is, appreciating its appearance - suffering or whatever - is not to expect its continuance or inevitability

    Wol Euler: mmhmm

    Darren Islar: true

    Calvino Rabeni: something growing?

    Darren Islar: yes, not being completely knocked over


    Darren Islar: because of my trauma I don't have a natural self consciousness

    Darren Islar: something that feels like some kind of substance

    Darren Islar: I needed to learn that

    Darren Islar: substance being some kind of trust

    Darren Islar: some base about how you feel about yourself and the world around you

    Wol Euler nods.

    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_

    Darren Islar: it makes it easier to have a closer look at what is happening at the moment

    Darren Islar: not that I like it :-)

    Wol Euler: "this too will pass", as the prophet said

    Wol Euler: it's trite and trivial, but it is also deeply fundamentally true

    Darren Islar: it is

    Wol Euler: there's a great German word for this: Ausbaden

    Wol Euler: the literal translation would be "to bathe it out to the end"

    Wol Euler: like "make your bed and lie in it" but without the Calvinistic self-flagellation :)

    Darren Islar: :-)

    Wol Euler: sometimes you have to lie in a bed your neighbour made :)

    Wol Euler: for various values of "neighbour"

    Darren Islar: yes I understand

    Darren Islar: quite some bed :-)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Calvino Rabeni: People of subsstance in the world I think are ones who suffered consciously - if not through choice

    Wol Euler nods.

    Darren Islar: maybe so, could be

    Darren Islar: at least you start to understand the ins and outs

    Wol Euler: hello cosmic

    Darren Islar: hi Cosmic

    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Cosmicflower :)

    Darren Islar: something different Wol

    Wol Euler: mmm?

    Darren Islar: we should go to the sunday guardian meeting

    Darren Islar: are we still on?

    Wol Euler: O.O


    Darren Islar: heheheh

    Wol Euler: are we meeting sunday?

    Darren Islar: we had a dicussion last week about PaB

    Wol Euler: I thought we were meeting monday

    Wol Euler: oh, right

    Wol Euler: yes, that too :)

    Darren Islar: yes, that too :-)

    Wol Euler: I'll try to get there, but it may be difficult.

    Wol Euler: my boss's daughter is being baptized sunday morning, I might not be back from the celebratory lunch in time for that

    Darren Islar: well, maybe it will be better to postpone then

    Darren Islar: because I feel pretty exhausted already

    Wol Euler: ok, then let's postpone it. Don't overtax yourself

    Wol Euler: spend that day at rest instead

    Darren Islar: okay

    Darren Islar: and you already guessed what the reactions are going to be :-)

    Wol Euler smiles.

    Darren Islar: and yes, we are going to meet on Monday

    Darren Islar: I guess I will spend some time in bed then Sunday :-)

    Wol Euler: good. I approve of that, not htat you need my approval :)

    Darren Islar: oh and which title would you give to yesterday's session at 1 pm

    Wol Euler smiles

    Darren Islar: I haven't been there till the end, but I would go for 'chitchatting'

    Wol Euler: it was pretty much random noise

    Darren Islar: random noise, like that :-)

    Wol Euler: :)

    Wol Euler: my dears, the time is coming. I must be at work punctually today.

    Wol Euler: please continue, and have a pleasant friday

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Enjoy wol

    Darren Islar: okay Wol, thanks for being here

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and have fun

    Wol Euler: bye for now

    Darren Islar: bye

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Bye

    Calvino Rabeni: namste wol

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what is chitchatting Darren?

    Darren Islar: eh.... chatting about all sorts of things, without getting into a real topic

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) okey

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: mind flowing?


    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or flow with thoughts

    Darren Islar: well, depends what you mean, but it is mostly done in a state where you feel distance and want to keep it, talking about the weather and alike

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ahh I did not ment that

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but talk with depth, but what comes on mind

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: without topic

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: certain one

    Darren Islar: being high up in your body in a more or less exciting state

    Darren Islar: I think that is something different

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes,

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its more deep

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if only talking about weather and how everyting is good with everyone

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its not deep

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: laughs here

    Darren Islar: no :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: :))

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I thought to start to paint again

    Darren Islar: but then I'm going to publish it blindly :-)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it have been raising up the feeling some time for now

    Darren Islar: painting, sounds nice

    Darren Islar: you have been doing that before?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes, with aquarel colours

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes, many years back

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when had not kids yeat

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: those times did play with colours quite much

    Darren Islar: oh nice, aquarels

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: never knew what I paint

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but then when i was ready I did look what came

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hands just did their work

    Darren Islar: can be interesting

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) yes

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Last time when I painted pictures, I painted figures crabbed to each others

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: many of those

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol

    Darren Islar: why 'crabbed'?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or sticked

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: meaning

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sorry

    Calvino Rabeni: Do you know the meaning later, when it is completed?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and some sea and forests too

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well yes sometimes

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there comes a feel

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: more than a meaning

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or feel might be a meaning too

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, everything that comes to you in any way, is a meaning

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sometimes there is not a figure

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sometimes I make kind of energy paintings

    Darren Islar: people who are stuck?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or not knowing if those are some mandalas

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or such

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: stuck?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: loving each others

    Darren Islar: then what do you mean with 'stick'

    Darren Islar: oh, okay

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: did looked it from dictionary..

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: might be a wrong word..

    Darren Islar: I actually don't know

    Darren Islar: Cal is the american here :-)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: embrace might be right one

    Calvino Rabeni: I was thinking, the figures were liking to be close

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I painted them a lot

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it was a bit weird

    Calvino Rabeni: It is an image of what people do naturally

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, or perhaps I was too "separated"

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and thats why I painted those figures

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to get that feel

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps

    Calvino Rabeni: sure, to remind yourself

    Darren Islar: can I already publish on the new wiki Cal?

    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think so yet, but ask Fael. If you want to I think it can be made to work

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Brb

    Calvino Rabeni: There's a copy from the old one to the new one every day (I think)

    Darren Islar: no, can't log in

    Darren Islar: I get a password, don't I, if I understood it all well?


    Calvino Rabeni: Probably everyone will get a new password on the switch date

    Calvino Rabeni: Less likely, it will be the same as the old one on the current wiki

    Darren Islar: okay

    Darren Islar: I mixed up a few things, Fael asking to use the new wiki as much as possible, but that is not for publishing of course

    Darren Islar: .....yet

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that is true

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: back

    Calvino Rabeni: WB

    Darren Islar: wb

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ty

    Calvino Rabeni: In the dances I attend, the people sometimes lie on the floor / ground

    Calvino Rabeni: and sometimes they move by instinct, and can come together into a kind of mat or heap

    Calvino Rabeni: It starts things - the beginning is that way but not the end

    Calvino Rabeni: maybe it is a kind of "hello"

    Calvino Rabeni: When traveling in some countries, I observe much more of this physical closeness than in the US or maybe Europe

    Calvino Rabeni: So I conclude it is a natural thing, even knowing it is not commonly seen

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, why its not commonly seen

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think it should be

    Darren Islar: we probably learned to keep our distance

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I read from magacine when there were a couple abroad and man gave a kis to his vife

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: they both went to prison

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: because it was not good behaviour

    Calvino Rabeni: True, Darren, we learned that

    Darren Islar: I guess the question is why?

    Calvino Rabeni: It depends on the "conditioning" of the culture

    Calvino Rabeni: :) Cosmic

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: But I think it was nearby Europe, do not remember the country now

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but it was for me like WHAT

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thought there it would be okey

    Darren Islar: here is......?

    Calvino Rabeni: And in thailand, the women walk holding hands

    Darren Islar: oh there, sorry

    Calvino Rabeni: The men friends often walk with the arm over the friends shoulder

    Darren Islar: quite different

    Calvino Rabeni: It so much depends on what the country has as "proper behavior"

    Darren Islar: here we only have poseballs for one man and one woman to walk hand in hand

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)

    Calvino Rabeni: I think though, the instinct is to be close, and if that doesn't happen, then people are creating suffering

    Darren Islar: you could be right

    Darren Islar: well be

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes and that suffering comes from feel of "missing" it

    Calvino Rabeni: Right Darren, they assume a heterosexuality is the norm

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes Cosmic I agree

    Darren Islar: not only that, but also that people of one gender don't have that kind of contact, sexually based or just friendship, feeling close to each other

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, there would be a businees for someone to create also those balls for woman-woman, or a man-man

    Darren Islar: yes, was just thinking about a new sim :-)

    Darren Islar: there are homosexual pose balls

    Calvino Rabeni: There could be a collection of poseballs for more options

    Darren Islar: right

    Calvino Rabeni: but it does not have to be about sex

    Darren Islar: no


    Darren Islar: can't we do something like that in the village

    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, or in the pavilion

    Darren Islar: somebody that can make animations and a programmer

    Calvino Rabeni: sometimes, it would be relaxing to have different ways to sit and to lie here

    Darren Islar: yes

    Calvino Rabeni: it remains rather formal

    Darren Islar: yes

    Darren Islar: spice it up a little :-)

    Darren Islar: or making it more relaxed :_)

    Calvino Rabeni: Relaxing is good, isn't it?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: goes to have a cup of tea

    Darren Islar likes relaxing, more then Liza :-)

    Calvino Rabeni: Interesting. What does Liza like?

    Darren Islar: she likes to sit in meditation sit, it eases her mind

    Calvino Rabeni: That is relaxing, isn't it

    Darren Islar: yes, in a way :-)

    Darren Islar: you're right

    Darren Islar: Darren likes to sit on the beach

    Darren Islar: or even better, ly down :-)

    Darren Islar: looking at the clouds, hmmmmm :_)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Darren

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: May I ask

    Darren Islar: sure

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: why You have two avatars?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or where those are needed?

    Darren Islar: I came in on sl and made myself an avatar

    Darren Islar: asking myself if it should be male of female

    Darren Islar: because I have some strong male-sides in me

    Darren Islar: but I guess the first avatar is most close to you

    Darren Islar: so the first is femal: Liza

    Darren Islar: but felt the need to explore with a male avatar

    Darren Islar: with surprising results

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how did it affected, male avatar?

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what was that surprising result?

    Darren Islar: I found my female part :_)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiles

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: okey

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I do not know, thats why I asked

    Darren Islar: because I could close in on my malepart and develop it

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I am having this one I have

    Darren Islar: giving some base to me being a female

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: withc one You are in rl?

    Darren Islar: female

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) okey

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: One day I wondered about it why there are several avatars for one person

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: actually

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I met a person who have 5 avatars

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and those are group mind

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: led by one man

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it is something that I need to think a bit more too

    Darren Islar: yes, diferent parts of the identity

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: of why


    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well, you gave me an aswer at the same time ;)

    Darren Islar: but it was never meant for those two avatars to be part of one group, that just happened

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well, I think its okey, its YOU

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)

    Darren Islar: :-) thanks

    Calvino Rabeni: I felt quite the same with Liza and with Darren

    Darren Islar: need a cup of coffee and then need to do some shopping

    Darren Islar: so I'm leaving

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)

    Darren Islar: if you start to know me better, yes

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice to talk with You Darren

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: have fun shopping ;)

    Darren Islar: thanks

    Darren Islar: bye

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Ah I have not met Liza

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye

    Calvino Rabeni: Bye then Darren

    Darren Islar: maybe you will Cosmic :-)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hope so ;)

    Calvino Rabeni: I haven't been tempted much by the play with having male / female avatars or switching

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then should have another one.. ;)

    Calvino Rabeni: although one time I appeared as a female shape here, and people seemed to like it OK

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have had yet that kind of thought

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but never know

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: what there will come ;)

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps I just can`t imagine to be a male

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps there is more female energy in me

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: than a male energy

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: There are both I know

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in every person

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but how much

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thats the issue I think

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