2010.05.22 01:00 - Nurturing

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Darren Islar. The comments are by Darren Islar.
    Attending: QT, Pema, Yaku, Darren

    At 3 minutes to 2 am, Yaku offered a topic. But until that moment we didn't feel like one

    Qt Core: Hi Darren
    Darren Islar: hi QT


    Qt Core: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Darren and Qt!
    Darren Islar: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: I can't stay long but I just wanted to check that someone was here to replace Scathach
    Pema Pera: Glad to see you both here!
    Darren Islar: I am
    Qt Core: stt/sun 1am sessions are a nice almost quiet way to start the day for me
    Darren Islar: though my head is still asleep
    Pema Pera: I just came back from a nice afternoon walk in the park
    Qt Core: even better in the quiet scale :-)

    Looking at my radar I notice a few guardians talking about 80 to 90 meters away from us

    Darren Islar: Looking at my radar, the session is taking place somewhere else :-)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Qt Core: noticed
    Pema Pera: interesting yes
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Qt Core: eretiics ;-)
    Pema Pera: heretics?
    Qt Core: yes, so similar the words ... bat the h
    Qt Core: (i'm quite sleepy to, so is my english)
    Darren Islar: I even don't know the word, so you are way ahead of me :-)
    Darren Islar: ah, ketters
    Pema Pera: afvallige
    Pema Pera: yes
    Pema Pera: (I had to think for a bit to find the Dutch word)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Pema Pera: (we don't have so many heretics, but more very many schisms)
    Qt Core: may times, especially for words with a heavy latin/greek background i just make up how the weird english spelling rules would write it and try ;-)
    Pema Pera: that should get you close enough!
    Darren Islar: and as a good Italian forgetting the 'h'
    Pema Pera: e e e
    Darren Islar: a a a
    Qt Core: i i i

    Then Pema asks for a topic, we start talking about the books used in theme-sessions, QT trying to find Italian translations

    Pema Pera: is there any topic you'd like to talk about?
    Darren Islar: I am the GOC but actually avoiding it a bit today
    Darren Islar: sorry
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Darren Islar: a bit out of character I guess :-)
    Qt Core: yesterday i searched for the tsk and the book of not knowing... obviously those two are the only two book of the two authors not translated in italian :-)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: I have not seen an Italian translation; there may not be one
    Pema Pera: Well, I should leave soon


    Qt Core: if it is a book i like that is very much the case
    Pema Pera: glad to meet both of you here!
    Qt Core: bye
    Darren Islar: bye Pema
    Qt Core: found an italian edition... printed in 1980
    Darren Islar: ah
    Darren Islar: still on the market ?
    Qt Core: the question now... where to find a copy
    Qt Core: (btw i love google)
    Darren Islar: I like it and love my girlfriend ;-)
    Qt Core: not having one i can love google in the meantime ;-)
    Darren Islar: :-))
    Qt Core: i'm not really good at searching in internet bookstores, they are very dangerous place for my credit card so i usually avoid them
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Qt Core: checking the publisher website... it has quite a lot of books about buddism, zen and such
    Darren Islar: don't go there QT :-)
    Qt Core: :-)
    Qt Core: two books by Tarthang Tulku but no tsk
    Darren Islar: maybe you should ask the publisher


    Qt Core: got the entire catalogue in pdf
    Darren Islar: okay
    Qt Core: (will drool on it later ;-) )
    Darren Islar: :-)

    QT and I are regular visitors of the (in Europe) early sessions

    Darren Islar: but you are right, it is a good start of the day
    Darren Islar: I have the same experience
    Qt Core: a way to relax before rl starts to scream and cry
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Qt Core: nowadays my saturday morning is usually week grocery shopping/pab/cooking :-)
    Darren Islar: so you already have done some shopping today
    Qt Core: and shopping early in the morning is really a less stressful experience too
    Darren Islar: true
    Qt Core: not today but yes i've already got outside for something
    Qt Core: bought some breakfast items from a bakery, so fresh to be still warm
    Qt Core: breakfast
    Darren Islar: I'm still rubbing the sleep out of my eyes :-)
    Darren Islar: mmmm, very nice
    Darren Islar is smelling the warm, fresh bakery
    Darren Islar: hmmmm
    Darren Islar: don't feed your keyboard with croissants :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: why not ? :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning
    Qt Core: 'morning yaku
    Darren Islar: good morning Yaku
    Darren Islar: croissants are for human beings :-)
    Qt Core: the bakery name is "the big glutton" :-)


    Darren Islar: a lot of everything and probably large :-)
    Qt Core: nor really large a one window shop in the main square... i'm a faithful client since around 1979 ;-)
    Darren Islar: wow
    Qt Core: it is also near the school i attended in early '80
    Darren Islar: can somebody stop that music?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t hear any music
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
    Darren Islar: thanks :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was active when i logged out yesterday
    Yakuzza Lethecus: didn´t know it would restart
    Darren Islar: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was on headset so couldn´t hear anything since i haven´t had that thing on until now
    Darren Islar: yes :-)
    Darren Islar: doesn't matter, it is gone now :-)

    The age difference between some of us start to show, when we start talking about our first computergames  

    Qt Core: ;-) have you seen today's google logo ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: pacman was already old when i got my first computer
    Darren Islar: oh no, I've even played with that ping pong thing
    Qt Core: that make me feel even older than realizing pacman age :-(
    Darren Islar: we thought it was great :-)
    Darren Islar: well I'm with you, agewise
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i had an amiga together with my brother around 1990
    Darren Islar: don't know amiga i think
    Qt Core: i had a 286 with a huge 40Mb hard disk then
    Darren Islar: ah, really huge in those days
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the times when we had to free memory before we started applications :P
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Qt Core: and for several years i thought it was only 32 as they formatted only 32 and leaved the rest alone
    Darren Islar: shoot
    Yakuzza Lethecus: today even a simple netbook got 4gb ram
    Qt Core: even virtual machine get 4gb now ;-)
    Darren Islar: no ping pong to play anymore, so said ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: considering when i played wing commander III back in 1995-6 16mb of ram was ginourmous :)
    Qt Core: I only played the second wc ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: only needed 2-4 mb for that :)
    Darren Islar: well they say less is more, so
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i think about nostalgia when dropping comes to mind
    Qt Core: i tryed it on a pentium 4 several years ago... impossible to control, first mission, oput of the launch tubes... straight into the vessel i had to protect :-)
    Darren Islar: heheheh

    Then Yaku starts asking himself questions about positive and negative feelings, offering us a real topic. We talk about the attraction of the adrenaline starting to flow being the hero in a computer game versus the adventure of doing daily chores

    Yakuzza Lethecus: should i really access positive emotions through the past ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or why can´t i just access positive emotions in the same way right now with the next action i do
    Yakuzza Lethecus: which might be doing clothing,cleaning the stairs,sweeping outside...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just think negative about those actions right now :)
    Qt Core: maybe as we already know the outcome of past actions ?
    Qt Core: and we already spent the energy, while future actions still have to be made
    Darren Islar: not adding something new
    Qt Core: (last thought brought you by my laziness subroutine)
    Darren Islar: :-)


    Darren Islar: or maybe we think we are not adding something new
    Qt Core: comparing good or even bad memory of "big" events to menial ones we have to do, like the home cleaning mentioned by yaku tend to make we things we are not going to make anything important/good
    Qt Core: but we did something between the great wing commander missions so many years ago... maybe homework too!
    Darren Islar: but why is that, nurturing yourself being a big part of life
    Qt Core: at the moment it may not seems so funny/useful/great
    Darren Islar: hmmmm, maybe we have gotten used to the adrenaline
    Qt Core: i'm more used to chocolate ;-)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: sweeping your house, doesn't give you that kick
    Qt Core: no and you can't even much chocolate when you do it as it get dusty
    Qt Core: munch
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: maybe we are trying to reach too much outside of ourselves
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i just finished a few pieces of chocolate :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i had a ,,brezel" before :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and 2 cups of coffee
    Darren Islar: not nurturing ourselves anymore, but always wanting the next kick
    Qt Core: rl started its calling , have to go
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care qt
    Darren Islar is jealous about Yaku's second cup of coffee
    Darren Islar: bye QT
    Qt Core: bye, have fun... and coffee ... and chocolate ;-)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think we will nurture ourselves for the rest of our lives, we will always learn no matter if we want or don´t want to
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it depends on what we try to surround ourselves bye
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and the kind of thoughts we will allow ourselves to be happening
    Darren Islar: I don;t know, I think nurturing is also an attitude
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the term is a bit tricky i nurture the ppl i am surrounded by and they nurture me but can i nurture myself ?
    Darren Islar: if I really ask myself what I want, then it mostly are simple things
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i can seek a right environment that nurtures me a bit better :)
    Darren Islar: yes, I think so
    Darren Islar: I mean being able to nurture yourself
    Darren Islar: easier said then done so, I admit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i try not not want anything, still then i think it´s not right and all i want is become more able to understand whats going on arround me
    Darren Islar: or make your own nurturing environment
    Darren Islar: maybe you even have to look closer
    Yakuzza Lethecus: seeking ppl you can trust and where you can just be


    Darren Islar: inside yourself instead of finding the right environment
    Darren Islar: I guess it is already there
    Darren Islar: we just need to find it and develop it
    Darren Islar: but having a lot of problems doing so myself :-)
    Darren Islar: I know the talk, now I need to walk the walk
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, sweeping here i come :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care :)
    Darren Islar: :-)

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