2010.05.23 07:00 - A glimpse of something we can't quite capture in words, or in thought

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

    We got off to a slow start

    Adams Rubble: Hello Archimage :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning Adams, SophiaSharon :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello fael :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fael
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Love :)
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Fael Illyar: Hello Love :) Helo Adams, Sharon :)
    Fael Illyar: Far Away?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: my tag? its an art exhibit by AM radio
    Fael Illyar: Ah :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I liked the text
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and the art exhibit lol
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: AM radio - meaning an AM station on the radio.....or Is AM short for something else?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its a name of a SL resident :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Of course :) - Interesting name choice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Adams Rubble: People in SL can have funny names (giggles)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed!
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Fael Illyar: Indeed :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Funny as in interesting, and as in humorous......one could probably do a paper on how and why folks chose their SL names
    Adams Rubble: or what they were drinking
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, still, even intoxicated, the psyche is operating in the choice I assume *g*
    Adams Rubble: Is there anything anyone would like to discuss?
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rubbleworn Adams :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello SSL :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Rubbleworn? - inside joke?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep ;-)
    Fael Illyar: Hi Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And hello Twirling Purplishous :)
    Fael Illyar: is that my new name? :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Guess so
    Fael Illyar: nice rose tattoo, Aggers :)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Reminds me of a film title
    Archmage Atlantis: Another interesting element, the choice of what tag to wear ")
    Agatha Macbeth hates the red cushions
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Arch
    Adams Rubble: there is a blue one beside me Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I tend to go with the flow so to speak
    Adams Rubble: rouugh on the knees
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I'll stay here now
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm, just don't like the poses
    Agatha Macbeth is picky
    Fael Illyar smiles 'override it with your AO.'
    Archmage Atlantis: Adams, all the topics that come to my mind seem to be to serious for a beautiful day :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I always seem to be sitting underground then tho :(
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its hazy and rainy here :)
    Fael Illyar: forced ground sit in emerald works well for that :
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Where's that then Fael?
    Fael Illyar: if you have it activated, it activates with ctrl-alt-S
    Fael Illyar: should be active by default
    Agatha Macbeth: It made me stand up!
    Fael Illyar: yes, if you're sitting, it stands you up
    Agatha Macbeth: DOH!
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza
    Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh forget it, life's too short
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz! :))
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)
    Fael Illyar: but if you're not sitting, you sit with a groundsit, right where you were. Even midair
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh...
    Fael Illyar: oh, nice ground sit :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, I have a topic, sort of.....the v2 SL viewer......and other viewer choices
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Unintentional!
    Agatha Macbeth: Carry on arch, don't mind me
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha
    Archmage Atlantis: I'm starting to get invites to meetings that request the v2 viewer be used
    Adams Rubble: !!!
    Archmage Atlantis: And it gives me fits
    Adams Rubble: why would they do that?
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Fael Illyar: they want to use it's features.
    Eliza Madrigal: look at my feet
    Fael Illyar: those make sense for meetigs :
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, they do simething like that at Mystic
    Agatha Macbeth: *something
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, especially the ability to use it's presentation tools
    Fael Illyar: that's a nice sit, Eliza... now if it would be a bit higher :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe... this is sort of fun
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Going underground...'
    Adams Rubble did't know there was a basement here
    Agatha Macbeth: (The Jam)
    Eliza Madrigal: lots of empty wine bottles down here...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: oooh, and a door....
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably Storm's ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    SophiaSharon Larnia actually looks
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahahaa
    Agatha Macbeth: :)))
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, finding out Storm's secrets of contruction brings out the hooligan in me *g*
    Agatha Macbeth likes the soles soles of Eliza's shoes :)
    Agatha Macbeth: -soles
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Liz
    Eliza Madrigal: these are the most comfortable shoes I own here :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hope the Morlocks didn't get you
    Eliza Madrigal: cushy
    Archmage Atlantis: Could shoes have souls and be made of sole?
    Eliza Madrigal: just a little ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah sole ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway Arch, about Viewer 2...
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: yes sorry... being a terrible distraction
    Archmage Atlantis: No distraction......this is an ideal Sunday morning conversation.....
    Fael Illyar: meep :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: Sunday afternoon for me :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Or whenever it is, where ever everyone is
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Fael Illyar: murp :)
    Agatha Macbeth: will it get to the stage where Viewer 1 becomes totally obselete then?
    Eliza introduces the topic
    Eliza Madrigal: I've always thought of this as the church slot, due to the Sunday mornings of childhood :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but then today it would be like skipping church, hiding up on the hill...
    Archmage Atlantis: I imagine, but I'd defer that to others with more skill at using other viewers than I do
    Fael Illyar: Aggers, perhaps in a couple of years.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Fael Illyar: the official one will be obsoleted much faster
    Fael Illyar: as in, it will refuse to run sooner or later
    Eliza Madrigal: What if someone has emerald? are the v2 gatherings okay for them?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eliza, and by going to church, missing it
    Agatha Macbeth: How will that affect Emerald and Snowglobe users?
    Fael Illyar: the v2 gathering thing only means you won't see the web-presentation inworld.
    Fael Illyar: on a prim
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Archmage Atlantis: I like the church analogy.....
    Agatha Macbeth: Halleluhah!
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought of that getting up today
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and was disturbed by the idea
    Agatha Macbeth: -hah, -yah -jah?#
    Eliza Madrigal: really? :)
    Adams Rubble: why disturbed Sharon?
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, I find it comforting....why disturbing?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: PaB as a replacement for 'church', yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, interesting
    Eliza Madrigal: For me it touches something sweet... not that pab is a church, but that one can gather in a mindful way... without the 'churchiness'
    Agatha Macbeth agrees
    Archmage Atlantis: Well said Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: agrees and undoubtedly
    Fael Illyar: you know, Love, church is kind of synonymous for brainwashing institution for many people :)
    Archmage Atlantis: I know
    Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: I loved certain things about church though...
    Archmage Atlantis: But that was never the original intent
    Eliza Madrigal: vanilla cookies and lemonade
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just the link of doing something by rote
    Eliza Madrigal: dressing up nicely, singing with a group
    Archmage Atlantis: It was misused by those with agendas
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: understandable
    Agatha Macbeth: As are many things Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal: also, setting aside the time to be hm... inward looking...
    Eliza Madrigal: to 'let the light shine on one's heart' so to speak
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Adams Rubble: sometimes it is good to set aside our childhood impressions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the sense of the divine is most poignant in awesome nature, and in soaring beautiful churches
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Adams Rubble: our childhood fears
    Agatha Macbeth agrees with SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (also other places, but I could type all that)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: +n't
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: And temples, and mosques, and shrines...and in some monuments
    Eliza Madrigal: childhood fears... yes that was perhaps the biggest downside ...
    Agatha Macbeth: Say more Liz pls?
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, along with the 'shining light on one's heart' there was the 'god says you better not ___" :)
    Fael Illyar: Love, whatever the original idea was, the function of church, as it is today, seems to be brainwashing. That's what people are interested in. What is now. Not what it was meant to be.
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes! understood...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: That is sad, Fael
    SophiaSharon Larnia: rule by fear
    Eliza Madrigal: and the "God says those people over there are not worthy, don't listen to them"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: control the masses
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but I should really drop that as well :)
    Adams Rubble: Th church is not a monolithic entity
    Eliza Madrigal: true
    Fael Illyar: yes, it is not.
    Adams Rubble: there are many different ways of finding the divine
    Fael Illyar: but that certainly is the impression the different churches attempt to give.
    Adams Rubble: the Christianity that was there is still there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Adams Rubble: not everyone is brainwashed or following blindly
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Adams....and many words for what some call the divine
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... it does seem a large scale decision though, at some point, to shy away from 'critical' thinking/questioning...
    Eliza Madrigal: within many church circles
    Adams Rubble: or any circle
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, the Catholic church was founded largely with the intention of preserving the unity of the Roman Empire, but failed. After the Empire disintegrated however, the Church remained (ironically)
    Archmage Atlantis: To my thought, those who require others to accept a given way, understand the way the least
    SophiaSharon Larnia: has always loved those words, the way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: drop that too lol
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, in Taoist terms, one might be called 'cultivator of the way'... Appreciator of nature :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (That's a nice dress Adams, btw :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry bell
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods @ Eliza
    Agatha Macbeth: What is the difference between Buddhism and Taoism?
    Eliza Madrigal: then there's Jesus who didn't think 'the way' was a thing, but something to be
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its used so many ways I wondered if that was because the words are simple, or if its a remnant of something else
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I meant its used in so many beleif systems
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: "the way" like there is only one way, or, if no one had other words for it
    Archmage Atlantis: I find that choice of wording, remnant, quite interesting
    Adams Rubble: a "way" is like a "path"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Truthfully Agatha, it seems just types of practices meant to show up different aspects of one's nature...
    Agatha Macbeth: 'The way, the truth and the light'
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth nods @ Liz
    and the title for today
    Archmage Atlantis: To me it is a glimpse of something we can't quite capture in words, or in thought
    Agatha Macbeth: Agreed, Arch
    Eliza Madrigal: somehow comforting that we can't :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Something for the future perhaps? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, timeless...
    Agatha Macbeth: (That's assuming past, present and future exist of course :))
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Billy Pilgrim would have said not <grins>
    Eliza Madrigal: Eos says "I think, therefore time exists" :))
    Archmage Atlantis: Billy Pigrim? another SL name?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha
    Fael Illyar: perhaps a wave instead of a way?
    Archmage Atlantis: *Pilgrim
    Agatha Macbeth: Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut Arch
    Eliza Madrigal: So it goes..
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ty Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: One of my favourites
    Agatha Macbeth: Very funny and very sad too
    Adams Rubble: Sorry to revert back to the earlier discussion but by being so dimissive of Christianity we can miss an opportunity at years and years of serious thought. It does not mean we have to accept everyting but is good to be respectful of all traditions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Adams you are so very right
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Adams, I agree. There are many positive things to be learned from the New Testament
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes certainly do not want to be dismissive of Christianity... part of the richest fabric of my life certainly
    Fael Illyar: Adams, I wasn't being dismissive about christianity. I was being dismissive about the church organization.
    Agatha Macbeth: In fact, I prefer not to be dismissive of anything. All stories are relevant...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: We understand Fael :)
    Agatha Macbeth ruffles fael's hair
    Agatha Macbeth: Yo Yaku
    Adams Rubble: Hello Yak :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Yaku
    Fael Illyar: Hi Yaku :)
    Fael Illyar meeps happily.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I am deeply fascinated by the life of Jesus and his teaching, which extends to how they may or may not have been changed in time
    Eliza Madrigal: Its nice to be able to examine the things which have had an impact personally, and open them up a bit...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the texts i mean
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear, nearly time for the Guardians' meeting. I really enjoyed this discussion
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thanks for the reminder Agatha :)) Yes, heading over
    Agatha Macbeth will walk
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams, everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting session :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye to all those not attending :)
    Fael Illyar: suppose might be good for me to be present too, this weekend :)
    Adams Rubble: I can;t make it today. See you all later
    Fael Illyar: have fun Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: house full of pople here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Adams Id like to talk about this more sometime :)
    Adams Rubble: yes Sharon, that would be nice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the issue for me is never the teachings, it is about some aspects of the church, later, by people
    Archmage Atlantis: I need to depart.....great discussion everyone.....Blessings and Namaste :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
    Adams Rubble: bye Arch</grins>
    Sharon and I continue the discussion<grins>
    <grins> SophiaSharon Larnia: in fact, a couple days ago
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought about when jesus said you must leave your family
    Adams Rubble: I would not defend arrogant mismanagement :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: please pardon me for not doing my homework and providing the text
    Adams Rubble: but we lose something by becoming focused on that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes, definately
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it obscures a lot
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it seemed to me, that there was possiblility, that he was talking about attachemnt to other, including self
    SophiaSharon Larnia: leave the notion of self
    Adams Rubble: Buddha also left his family, his wife and children
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wishes she could translate the original text
    SophiaSharon Larnia: whats left, anyway
    Adams Rubble: Of course, Jesus mother is there throughtout the Passion and beyond so he didn't really leave :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I noticed that too lol
    Adams Rubble: and Buddha's son joins him later in some traditions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Jesus brother is said to have carried the message also
    Adams Rubble: maybe it has something to do with putting behind our childhood and becoming ourselves
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm yes
    Adams Rubble: We may need tol reject some things and then find they really are important to us
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but hte child mind... let the little ones come to me...
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: it gets very confusing doesn't it. hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Adams Rubble: the open mind
    Adams Rubble: childlike in that sense
    SophiaSharon Larnia: of course it does, we've all been saying its hard to say in language^^
    Adams Rubble: as opposed to the greedy child
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I woke up with the idea that it was talking about the self, it can be interpreted many ways and has
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or maybe I was being told to leave :)) haha
    Adams Rubble: I hope not :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Adams Rubble: I can not understand Buddha leaving his wife and child
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is that what "leave the house" means?
    Adams Rubble: Christ's leaving is more in the nature of tings--he was 30 after all
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    Adams Rubble: and he had a "calling" :)
    Adams Rubble: I am not sure if I am being any help
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Im listening :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but have to leave my house in a hour, :)) Have to get ready
    Adams Rubble: Yes, I must do things here too. Let;s talk again :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, please :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
    Adams Rubble: bye :)

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