2010.05.23 07:00 - A glimpse of something we can't quite capture in words, or in thought

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

We got off to a slow start

Adams Rubble: Hello Archimage :)
Adams Rubble: Hello Sophia :)
Archmage Atlantis: Morning Adams, SophiaSharon :)
Adams Rubble: Hello fael :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fael
Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Love :)
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
Fael Illyar: Hello Love :) Helo Adams, Sharon :)
Fael Illyar: Far Away?
SophiaSharon Larnia: my tag? its an art exhibit by AM radio
Fael Illyar: Ah :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I liked the text
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: and the art exhibit lol
Adams Rubble: :)
Archmage Atlantis: AM radio - meaning an AM station on the radio.....or Is AM short for something else?
SophiaSharon Larnia: its a name of a SL resident :)
Archmage Atlantis: Of course :) - Interesting name choice
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Adams Rubble: People in SL can have funny names (giggles)
SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed!
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: Indeed :)
Archmage Atlantis: Funny as in interesting, and as in humorous......one could probably do a paper on how and why folks chose their SL names
Adams Rubble: or what they were drinking
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, still, even intoxicated, the psyche is operating in the choice I assume *g*
Adams Rubble: Is there anything anyone would like to discuss?
Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Rubbleworn Adams :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello SSL :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Rubbleworn? - inside joke?
Agatha Macbeth: Yep ;-)
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: Hi Aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth: And hello Twirling Purplishous :)
Fael Illyar: is that my new name? :)
Agatha Macbeth: Guess so
Fael Illyar: nice rose tattoo, Aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: Reminds me of a film title
Archmage Atlantis: Another interesting element, the choice of what tag to wear ")
Agatha Macbeth hates the red cushions
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Arch
Adams Rubble: there is a blue one beside me Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: I tend to go with the flow so to speak
Adams Rubble: rouugh on the knees
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I'll stay here now
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm, just don't like the poses
Agatha Macbeth is picky
Fael Illyar smiles 'override it with your AO.'
Archmage Atlantis: Adams, all the topics that come to my mind seem to be to serious for a beautiful day :)
Agatha Macbeth: I always seem to be sitting underground then tho :(
SophiaSharon Larnia: its hazy and rainy here :)
Fael Illyar: forced ground sit in emerald works well for that :
Fael Illyar: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Where's that then Fael?
Fael Illyar: if you have it activated, it activates with ctrl-alt-S
Fael Illyar: should be active by default
Agatha Macbeth: It made me stand up!
Fael Illyar: yes, if you're sitting, it stands you up
Agatha Macbeth: DOH!
Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza
Archmage Atlantis: Hiya, Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Oh forget it, life's too short
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :))
Agatha Macbeth: Liz! :))
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)
Fael Illyar: but if you're not sitting, you sit with a groundsit, right where you were. Even midair
Agatha Macbeth: Oh...
Fael Illyar: oh, nice ground sit :)
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, I have a topic, sort of.....the v2 SL viewer......and other viewer choices
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Unintentional!
Agatha Macbeth: Carry on arch, don't mind me
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Archmage Atlantis: I'm starting to get invites to meetings that request the v2 viewer be used
Adams Rubble: !!!
Archmage Atlantis: And it gives me fits
Adams Rubble: why would they do that?
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liz :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Fael Illyar: they want to use it's features.
Eliza Madrigal: look at my feet
Fael Illyar: those make sense for meetigs :
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, they do simething like that at Mystic
Agatha Macbeth: *something
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, especially the ability to use it's presentation tools
Fael Illyar: that's a nice sit, Eliza... now if it would be a bit higher :)
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... this is sort of fun
Agatha Macbeth: 'Going underground...'
Adams Rubble did't know there was a basement here
Agatha Macbeth: (The Jam)
Eliza Madrigal: lots of empty wine bottles down here...
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: oooh, and a door....
Agatha Macbeth: Probably Storm's ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: heh
SophiaSharon Larnia actually looks
Eliza Madrigal: hahahahaa
Agatha Macbeth: :)))
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, finding out Storm's secrets of contruction brings out the hooligan in me *g*
Agatha Macbeth likes the soles soles of Eliza's shoes :)
Agatha Macbeth: -soles
Agatha Macbeth: wb Liz
Eliza Madrigal: these are the most comfortable shoes I own here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hope the Morlocks didn't get you
Eliza Madrigal: cushy
Archmage Atlantis: Could shoes have souls and be made of sole?
Eliza Madrigal: just a little ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah sole ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway Arch, about Viewer 2...
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry
Eliza Madrigal: yes sorry... being a terrible distraction
Archmage Atlantis: No distraction......this is an ideal Sunday morning conversation.....
Fael Illyar: meep :)
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Sunday afternoon for me :)
Archmage Atlantis: Or whenever it is, where ever everyone is
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: murp :)
Agatha Macbeth: will it get to the stage where Viewer 1 becomes totally obselete then?

Eliza Madrigal: I've always thought of this as the church slot, due to the Sunday mornings of childhood :)
Eliza Madrigal: but then today it would be like skipping church, hiding up on the hill...
Archmage Atlantis: I imagine, but I'd defer that to others with more skill at using other viewers than I do
Fael Illyar: Aggers, perhaps in a couple of years.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Fael Illyar: the official one will be obsoleted much faster
Fael Illyar: as in, it will refuse to run sooner or later
Eliza Madrigal: What if someone has emerald? are the v2 gatherings okay for them?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Eliza, and by going to church, missing it
Agatha Macbeth: How will that affect Emerald and Snowglobe users?
Fael Illyar: the v2 gathering thing only means you won't see the web-presentation inworld.
Fael Illyar: on a prim
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Archmage Atlantis: I like the church analogy.....
Agatha Macbeth: Halleluhah!
Agatha Macbeth: Or something...
SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought of that getting up today
SophiaSharon Larnia: and was disturbed by the idea
Agatha Macbeth: -hah, -yah -jah?#
Eliza Madrigal: really? :)
Adams Rubble: why disturbed Sharon?
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, I find it comforting....why disturbing?
SophiaSharon Larnia: PaB as a replacement for 'church', yes
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, interesting
Eliza Madrigal: For me it touches something sweet... not that pab is a church, but that one can gather in a mindful way... without the 'churchiness'
Agatha Macbeth agrees
Archmage Atlantis: Well said Eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: agrees and undoubtedly
Fael Illyar: you know, Love, church is kind of synonymous for brainwashing institution for many people :)
Archmage Atlantis: I know
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: I loved certain things about church though...
Archmage Atlantis: But that was never the original intent
Eliza Madrigal: vanilla cookies and lemonade
SophiaSharon Larnia: just the link of doing something by rote
Eliza Madrigal: dressing up nicely, singing with a group
Archmage Atlantis: It was misused by those with agendas
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Sharon
Eliza Madrigal: understandable
Agatha Macbeth: As are many things Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Yes
Eliza Madrigal: also, setting aside the time to be hm... inward looking...
Eliza Madrigal: to 'let the light shine on one's heart' so to speak
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Adams Rubble: sometimes it is good to set aside our childhood impressions
SophiaSharon Larnia: the sense of the divine is most poignant in awesome nature, and in soaring beautiful churches
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
Adams Rubble: our childhood fears
Agatha Macbeth agrees with SSL
SophiaSharon Larnia: (also other places, but I could type all that)
SophiaSharon Larnia: +n't
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Archmage Atlantis: And temples, and mosques, and shrines...and in some monuments
Eliza Madrigal: childhood fears... yes that was perhaps the biggest downside ...
Agatha Macbeth: Say more Liz pls?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, along with the 'shining light on one's heart' there was the 'god says you better not ___" :)
Fael Illyar: Love, whatever the original idea was, the function of church, as it is today, seems to be brainwashing. That's what people are interested in. What is now. Not what it was meant to be.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes! understood...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Archmage Atlantis: That is sad, Fael
SophiaSharon Larnia: rule by fear
Eliza Madrigal: and the "God says those people over there are not worthy, don't listen to them"
SophiaSharon Larnia: control the masses
SophiaSharon Larnia: but I should really drop that as well :)
Adams Rubble: Th church is not a monolithic entity
Eliza Madrigal: true
Fael Illyar: yes, it is not.
Adams Rubble: there are many different ways of finding the divine
Fael Illyar: but that certainly is the impression the different churches attempt to give.
Adams Rubble: the Christianity that was there is still there
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Adams Rubble: not everyone is brainwashed or following blindly
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Adams....and many words for what some call the divine
Eliza Madrigal: yes... it does seem a large scale decision though, at some point, to shy away from 'critical' thinking/questioning...
Eliza Madrigal: within many church circles
Adams Rubble: or any circle
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Well, the Catholic church was founded largely with the intention of preserving the unity of the Roman Empire, but failed. After the Empire disintegrated however, the Church remained (ironically)
Archmage Atlantis: To my thought, those who require others to accept a given way, understand the way the least
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: has always loved those words, the way
SophiaSharon Larnia: drop that too lol
Eliza Madrigal: Well, in Taoist terms, one might be called 'cultivator of the way'... Appreciator of nature :)
Agatha Macbeth: (That's a nice dress Adams, btw :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry bell
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods @ Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: What is the difference between Buddhism and Taoism?
Eliza Madrigal: then there's Jesus who didn't think 'the way' was a thing, but something to be
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: its used so many ways I wondered if that was because the words are simple, or if its a remnant of something else
SophiaSharon Larnia: I meant its used in so many beleif systems
Eliza Madrigal nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: "the way" like there is only one way, or, if no one had other words for it
Archmage Atlantis: I find that choice of wording, remnant, quite interesting
Adams Rubble: a "way" is like a "path"
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Eliza Madrigal: Truthfully Agatha, it seems just types of practices meant to show up different aspects of one's nature...
Agatha Macbeth: 'The way, the truth and the light'
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Liz

Archmage Atlantis: To me it is a glimpse of something we can't quite capture in words, or in thought
Agatha Macbeth: Agreed, Arch
Eliza Madrigal: somehow comforting that we can't :)
Agatha Macbeth: Something for the future perhaps? :)
Eliza Madrigal: hm, timeless...
Agatha Macbeth: (That's assuming past, present and future exist of course :))
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: Billy Pilgrim would have said not <grins>
Eliza Madrigal: Eos says "I think, therefore time exists" :))
Archmage Atlantis: Billy Pigrim? another SL name?
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Fael Illyar: perhaps a wave instead of a way?
Archmage Atlantis: *Pilgrim
Agatha Macbeth: Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut Arch
Eliza Madrigal: So it goes..
Agatha Macbeth: Yep :)
Archmage Atlantis: Ty Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: One of my favourites
Agatha Macbeth: Very funny and very sad too
Adams Rubble: Sorry to revert back to the earlier discussion but by being so dimissive of Christianity we can miss an opportunity at years and years of serious thought. It does not mean we have to accept everyting but is good to be respectful of all traditions
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Adams you are so very right
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Adams, I agree. There are many positive things to be learned from the New Testament
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes certainly do not want to be dismissive of Christianity... part of the richest fabric of my life certainly
Fael Illyar: Adams, I wasn't being dismissive about christianity. I was being dismissive about the church organization.
Agatha Macbeth: In fact, I prefer not to be dismissive of anything. All stories are relevant...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Agatha Macbeth: We understand Fael :)
Agatha Macbeth ruffles fael's hair
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Yaku
Adams Rubble: Hello Yak :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Yaku
Fael Illyar: Hi Yaku :)
Fael Illyar meeps happily.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I am deeply fascinated by the life of Jesus and his teaching, which extends to how they may or may not have been changed in time
Eliza Madrigal: Its nice to be able to examine the things which have had an impact personally, and open them up a bit...
Agatha Macbeth nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: the texts i mean
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear, nearly time for the Guardians' meeting. I really enjoyed this discussion
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thanks for the reminder Agatha :)) Yes, heading over
Agatha Macbeth will walk
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Adams, everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Interesting session :))
Agatha Macbeth: Bye to all those not attending :)
Fael Illyar: suppose might be good for me to be present too, this weekend :)
Adams Rubble: I can;t make it today. See you all later
Fael Illyar: have fun Adams :)
Adams Rubble: house full of pople here
SophiaSharon Larnia: Adams Id like to talk about this more sometime :)
Adams Rubble: yes Sharon, that would be nice
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: the issue for me is never the teachings, it is about some aspects of the church, later, by people
Archmage Atlantis: I need to depart.....great discussion everyone.....Blessings and Namaste :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch
Adams Rubble: bye Arch</grins>
<grins/>

<grins> SophiaSharon Larnia: in fact, a couple days ago
SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought about when jesus said you must leave your family
Adams Rubble: I would not defend arrogant mismanagement :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: please pardon me for not doing my homework and providing the text
Adams Rubble: but we lose something by becoming focused on that
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh yes, definately
SophiaSharon Larnia: it obscures a lot
SophiaSharon Larnia: it seemed to me, that there was possiblility, that he was talking about attachemnt to other, including self
SophiaSharon Larnia: leave the notion of self
Adams Rubble: Buddha also left his family, his wife and children
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: wishes she could translate the original text
SophiaSharon Larnia: whats left, anyway
Adams Rubble: Of course, Jesus mother is there throughtout the Passion and beyond so he didn't really leave :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, I noticed that too lol
Adams Rubble: and Buddha's son joins him later in some traditions
SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed
SophiaSharon Larnia: Jesus brother is said to have carried the message also
Adams Rubble: maybe it has something to do with putting behind our childhood and becoming ourselves
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm yes
Adams Rubble: We may need tol reject some things and then find they really are important to us
SophiaSharon Larnia: but hte child mind... let the little ones come to me...
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: it gets very confusing doesn't it. hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Adams Rubble: the open mind
Adams Rubble: childlike in that sense
SophiaSharon Larnia: of course it does, we've all been saying its hard to say in language^^
Adams Rubble: as opposed to the greedy child
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: I woke up with the idea that it was talking about the self, it can be interpreted many ways and has
SophiaSharon Larnia: or maybe I was being told to leave :)) haha
Adams Rubble: I hope not :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Adams Rubble: I can not understand Buddha leaving his wife and child
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that what "leave the house" means?
Adams Rubble: Christ's leaving is more in the nature of tings--he was 30 after all
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Adams Rubble: and he had a "calling" :)
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: I am not sure if I am being any help
SophiaSharon Larnia: Im listening :))
SophiaSharon Larnia: but have to leave my house in a hour, :)) Have to get ready
Adams Rubble: Yes, I must do things here too. Let;s talk again :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, please :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now
Adams Rubble: bye :)
</grins>