2010.05.25 07:00 - Gardening Wu Wei

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  The silly jokes are by Riddle Sideways.  The typos, mis-spellings, poor grammar, obscure referrences, riddles, redirects, failed poetry, observations, generalizations, images, lags and good fun at the expense of reality, time, space, religion, music, science and sentient beings are by an avatar playing the part of Riddle Sideways.

    For once in a long time I had been awake only once in the middle of a long 7 hours of sleep, dreams and night.

    Riddle Sideways: good morning PaB Listener. Shall we listen together
    Riddle Sideways: morning Archi
    Riddle Sideways: and Koya
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning Riddle

    Riddle Sideways: I started to have my dragon follow me, but it can not cross PaB property lines
    Riddle Sideways: no-script lines

    Arch goes right into good chat, but I missed it while typing.
    Archmage Atlantis: I was reading through some of the meeting logs yesterday........one amused me with it's opening commentary.......something like "Ever polite, we began with a discussion of the weather" :) -How is the weather there for you and your dragon? :)
    Riddle Sideways: like RL it seems I mostly have to leave my dragons home
    Riddle Sideways: ah, it is as pleasent as SL
    Archmage Atlantis: My dragons can come in, as they are babies, but they aren't allowed to fly about while in here *g*
    Archmage Atlantis: It's nice here also, will be hot soon though.
    Riddle Sideways: we are done with rain
    Riddle Sideways: so a little cool mornings, a little warm days
    Riddle Sideways: paradise does not get much worse
    As I edit this, it has made a liar of me.  Today we had cold and rain.  G-ds it is almost June.  Mother Nature is a vengenful ____.  All we did was mess up everything, naturally, and she strikes back. :]
    Archmage Atlantis: And we are soon to head into hurricane season......The most comfortable time of the year here is in the winter.
    Archmage Atlantis: I take it you are in the NE US?
    Riddle Sideways: no, W US... Califor
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah]
    Riddle Sideways: I take it you are S us
    Excuse me, but what an ego we have...  We citizens of some bounded area labeled United States.  Calling ourselves "US".  As opposed to ya'all, you ...  US and them.  
    Excuse me, while it ____.
    Archmage Atlantis: It is early morning then
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes SW FL
    Archmage Atlantis: Watching the oil advance
    Riddle Sideways: I lived several years SE and mid FL
    Riddle Sideways: had many good huricane parties
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I moved here from SE FL....grew up partly there, and partly in NE FL
    Archmage Atlantis: And have friends in
    Archmage Atlantis: Orlando and Tampa
    Archmage Atlantis: Didn't see snow till 20s.....never been in an earthquake or flood
    Riddle Sideways: I have relatives in Sarasoda that I do not want to visit
    Archmage Atlantis: I like that spelling, smile, Sarasoda
    Archmage Atlantis: A Coke product no less
    Archmage Atlantis: Another quiet morning meeting
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice to just sit
    Riddle Sideways: Re: chat logs... there was a great theme one yesterday 7am
    Riddle Sideways: I made half of it
    Riddle Sideways: Wu Wei is at the root of me
    Archmage Atlantis: Um, let me see if it was posted
    Riddle Sideways: just checked and yes it is
    Archmage Atlantis: I've more reading to do on Wu Wei
    Riddle Sideways: was surprised that everybody did not know wu wei
    Riddle Sideways: well maybe not the name/label
    Archmage Atlantis: I'll read it after......what made it a great meeting in your opinion
    Riddle Sideways: but the princilple
    Riddle Sideways: was great meeting because of the different points of view
    Riddle Sideways: it is the natural thing to me
    Riddle Sideways: but to see/listen to others
    Riddle Sideways: what angle they come in/from to try understanding
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, Taoist then.....I have read on the Tao, but did not remember the name
    Riddle Sideways: most ask questions, but which questions are telling
    Riddle Sideways: how to get there
    Riddle Sideways: what to do
    Riddle Sideways: what is in it
    Riddle Sideways: it can not be that simple
    Riddle Sideways: maybe, like explaining 'peace' to somebody
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree that all things an entity does or choses to do or question reveals more than is said
    Riddle Sideways: but, explaining how to 'not Do'
    Riddle Sideways: would not seem so hard
    Archmage Atlantis: A quick exploration on the web jogs my memory
    Archmage Atlantis: effortless action and to do without doing seem familiar
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, I went right on before you were ready
    Archmage Atlantis: There is nothing to be sorry about :)
    Riddle Sideways: my early memories of the guitar playing me
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, that memory makes sense to me
    Riddle Sideways: and the example of a tennis player no longer thinking about holding the racket
    Riddle Sideways: that example led many to think about years of study to get expertise so they could drop it
    Riddle Sideways: am not sure that is it
    Archmage Atlantis: I was always one to apply logic and reason first, it was a long time before I could ever grasp the concept
    Archmage Atlantis: Once in a while, a rare while, a poem will write itself for me
    Riddle Sideways: one day, you did not apply logic and reason. and things went ok anyway
    Archmage Atlantis: I suppose I garden that way
    Riddle Sideways: things were going/growing naturally before you stepped in
    Riddle Sideways: we try to force a plant to grow where it does not belong
    Riddle Sideways: we remove a native
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, my garden tells me what it needs from me, even if that is to be left alone
    Riddle Sideways: and trouble happens
    Riddle Sideways: we listen... and hear "water me" or "stop watering"
    Riddle Sideways: gardening is so close to nature that it is easier to see the principles
    Archmage Atlantis: But that is includes many years of learning because I love garden....I love the wildness that surrounds me also......as I live on the edge of the Everglades
    Riddle Sideways: the office, family, gevernment, religion, etc. is harder
    Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps, for me they are all various forms of gardens :)
    Riddle Sideways: morning, Lucind
    Archmage Atlantis: Morning Lucinda
    Riddle Sideways: I lived/worked at edge of everglades too
    Lucinda Lavender: Morning Riddle, Arch
    Riddle Sideways: maybe, we are chatting about wu wei
    Lucinda Lavender: I am curious...are the everglades all ways ...something? like green?
    Archmage Atlantis: We are the only house on our block, surrounded by unchanged wild land
    Riddle Sideways: Tao and the art of gardening
    Lucinda Lavender: I have yet to learn about wu wei...will read the log...
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, and it goes on forever, in a sense
    Lucinda Lavender: wu wei? Tao and gardening?
    Riddle Sideways: however, it is much smaller then when I lived there
    Archmage Atlantis: Wu Wei is the topic
    Riddle Sideways: gardening is the handle
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Archmage Atlantis: Our species modifies everything
    Archmage Atlantis: It is our nature
    Riddle Sideways: to live next to everglades, redwoods, desert, etc. and have a little tomato garden
    Riddle Sideways: the contrast. the connection
    Lucinda Lavender: seedness
    Lucinda Lavender: thinking about children now
    Riddle Sideways: from little seeds
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: It's funny, I finally saw Avatar last night.......being mostly home bound, I had to wait till I could get the DVD in the mail from Netflix......the victory of the N'avi (sp?) at the end was inspirational, but it made me sad also.......The movie ends with the victory, but there will be others who will come to take, and they will have learned the lessons of taking from those who failed before
    Lucinda Lavender: I have been contemplating seeing it almost daily...hmmm
    Riddle Sideways: yes, the morale plot was ....
    Riddle Sideways: but, see avatar for it's beauty
    Archmage Atlantis: Just as now pythons and alligator fight to the death in the glades now the pythons are established
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Riddle Sideways: near the beginning, it shows the jungle as dangerous
    Riddle Sideways: but so beautiful
    Archmage Atlantis: Our planet is beautiful
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Riddle Sideways: ah, Fael long time no meep!
    Fael Illyar: meep meep! :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The tellers of stories ask us to consider who we wish to be
    Riddle Sideways: and how do you wish to see
    Riddle Sideways: look out at the everglades
    Riddle Sideways: do you see beauty?
    Riddle Sideways: do you see danger?
    Archmage Atlantis: Both
    Riddle Sideways: do you see real estate to conquer
    Archmage Atlantis: No
    Fael Illyar: meep?
    Archmage Atlantis: But live in conjunction with, yes
    Riddle Sideways: Wu Wei and the everglades point of view
    Riddle Sideways: do you spring into action or sit and watch
    Archmage Atlantis: Both
    Lucinda Lavender: both
    Riddle Sideways: ah good answer
    Riddle Sideways: act naturally and see clearly
    Riddle Sideways: would that be so hard
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: planting seeds with loveas the intention behind
    Archmage Atlantis: I planted morning glory seeds this spring
    Riddle Sideways: planting the proper seeds the garden needs
    Archmage Atlantis: They came up in abundance
    Archmage Atlantis: Grew well
    Riddle Sideways: nature planted morning glories for me on my back hill
    Archmage Atlantis: Then one morning I came out, and something from the wild had eaten everyone
    Archmage Atlantis: I accept
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks for this note card arch
    Archmage Atlantis: yw
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I have some volunteers from last years morning glories
    Archmage Atlantis: They weren't eaten
    Riddle Sideways: bye Lucin
    Archmage Atlantis: But they haven't grow but a few inches
    Riddle Sideways: image of your aligator munching on morning glory
    Archmage Atlantis: Smiles......probably a possum or racoon......I don't think the black bear eats plants
    Archmage Atlantis: I know the panthers don't
    Riddle Sideways: maybe we wei is like Fael's heart bubbles
    Riddle Sideways: they had to be written and worn, but now just arise
    Archmage Atlantis: Interesting, please elaborate Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: they just float up
    Fael Illyar: meep?
    Archmage Atlantis: I see, yes
    Riddle Sideways: producing smiles
    Fael Illyar: oh :)
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
    Riddle Sideways: is meep the cat still around?
    Archmage Atlantis: That is how I think of my SL pets
    Fael Illyar: I think we were one or two votes short of getting meep the cat :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes, majority rule, but they can not control my mind
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Archmage Atlantis: Although pets is really and inaccurate word, more like mutually chosen companions
    Archmage Atlantis: If dragons are not allowed, I suppose cats would not be either
    Riddle Sideways: ah, the mental point of view of thinking of them/us as Pets
    Riddle Sideways: kept animals
    Riddle Sideways: I am not a kept animal
    Riddle Sideways: just a bump on this log
    Riddle Sideways: however... I need to move to a new log
    Fael Illyar: Ok, have fun Riddle :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah, it is that time......take care friend
    Riddle Sideways: oh I will... please do so yourselves
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Fael Illyar: meep! :)
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